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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:17 AM

Subject: WHO IS RIGHT? http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.html

http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/000414b.asp

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast15jul99_2.htm



Dear Science and Astronomy friends,



There are many disputes, but seeing these it’s really looks that there are
plenty of Bluffs. recently NASA Declared galaxies are closing at the speed of
2000/s !!! But No calculation proofs and no confirmation. We just blindly
Believe BIG names and even their bluffs and no one tries to make calculation
check. Is there any one can put some calculations? Hope some one will find
correction with proof of calculations a not just Copy ditto of BIG NAMES
information.



It has been found on statistics and graphical presentation that :

1) Natural satellites are going round at near about 1- 4 km /s round the
planetary bodies.(Units speed) our Moon speed <1km /s.

2) Planets are going round at near about 10- 40 km /s round the solar
systems.(tens speed) Earth 29-30 Km /s round the Sun.

3) Solar Systems are going round at near about 100- 400 km /s round the
Galaxies. (Hundreds speed) solar system 280 km /s.

4) Galaxies are going round at near about 1000+ km /s round (thousands
speed) NASA Declared galaxies are closing at the speed of 2000/s

5) If anything (Universe) going 10000-40000 speed (in a muliverse system)
Multiverse system ?? be travelling 100000 - 400000 km /s ??????? That's not the
materialistic worlds ad 300000/s speed is the speed of energy not the
materialistic matter. (INVISIBLE)



http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubofindia/message/6

February 14, 2002 "<br>Just last night -
scientist found that Remained SUN LIFE of our SUN star can
not be greater than 3BN years as the two galaxies
(Andromeda and Milky way are closing at the speed of 2000Km
/s * 3bn years =22Mn light years ) will destroy the
stars of galaxies and the sun will neither become white
dwarf nor the red Giant.<br><br>(Calculations: speed of
2000Km /s * 3bn years =22Mn light years )



http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.html

When will the next galaxy hit the Milky Way? According to Dr. Sten Odenwald
with NASA's IMAGE/POETRY project:

"Well...The Milky Way is currently making a meal of the Large and Small
Magellanic Clouds and will probably finish digesting them in, say, 100 million
years or so. There are also several dwarf galaxies such as the Sagittarius
System that are also, apparently, waiting in the wings. The biggest, and most
spectacular, collision will be with the Andromeda Galaxy ( Messier 31) which is
due to visit us in about 2-3 billion years give or take a few millenia! It is
approaching the Milky Way at a speed of roughly 300 km/sec, so that in 1 billion
years it will be 300,000 parsecs closer ( roughly 1/2 its current distance). By
the time they are 100,000 parsecs apart, in about 2 billion years or so, massive
tidal gravitational effects will tear spiral arms apart and start to shred the
pinwheels from the outside-in."

What else? From our prime-radiant site: notes on Colliding and the Fate of
the Milky Way (8/3/01)

http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/000414b.asp

The 2.2-million-light-year gap between the Milky Way and Andromeda is closing at
about 500,000 kilometres an hour, he explains. That pace will quicken as the two
galaxies near each other.

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast15jul99_2.htm

Collisions are much rarer today than they were in the past, but not impossible.
Our own spiral galaxy, the Milky Way, is currently "eating up" several small
satellite galaxies. Within 5 to 10 billion years -- some computer simulations
show -- the Milky Way may collide with the Andromeda galaxy, and the result
would be an elliptical galaxy.

From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.




Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:07 AM

Subject: What we know? and What we do Not? - Full detailed report SOON! (Sorry 4
LONG details)



From: KutchScience

Dear Science and Astronomy Friends,
What we know geo-astronomicaly about our home Earth and our nearest astronomical
enamours?

1)About US (eg Earth and our Solar system)

A) What we know about our Geo-Astronomical Position of our own Home _ EARTH in
our galaxy? Our Earth and Solar system's orientation in Milky way (eg. what
position our solar system rotates round the Milky way Galaxy and What is an
angle of tilt with the galactic plane?)

Hints Galactic plane may not be same (parallel) plane as our solar system! May
be our solar system is tilted. If our galactic centre is in southern direction
can be seen in summer time nights in Sagittarius. means our south pole is
towards the galactic centre, what is possible angle is that? What gravitational
effect it can generate if it not in the same planes? does that will drag (Earth
magma) to wards the south pole - (in the direction towards the galactic centre)
as if Our earth and Our solar system has lower centripetal forces in the poles.


B) What we know about Sun Life span? And Earth Life span? Will Earth be
destroyed with Sun as it is been said?
We been Just said that Sun will survive 5 Bn years so after that it will blast
and engulf the planets. will that really happen? Or as said by NASA and many -
that as andromeda is approaching some time in 2-3 bn years to collide with our
milky way that will destroy our Sun and also all planets - so there will nothing
happen as said about sun and planet.

C) VEDA - YUGA? Mahayuga!! And WHY KALIUGA IS 432000 Years? Let us see the
science can see it.

Science and NASA says that chances of the loss of the life by and Asteroid
impact on Earth are 1% in about 50 centuries!!

So if 1% chance in 5000 years then in 500 000 years there will be 100% lose of
life and civilization on the Earth! As probability works the way – as time
passes and nothing happen in next 50 century chances increases for remained
time. So if nothing happened in next 400 000 years the chances after 400 000
years chances are increased to 100% in 100 000 remained years. And as the time
of End of the “Kaliuga” approaches (4,32000 years) that probability is nearly
sure that civilization and life will be destroyed by the Impact of asteroid on
the Earth.

Science People will say it is just a JOCK!! But who knows that? Did any body
understand that and put in calculations? Let us try -

I forward some calculation made in "Bhagavata" to represent the truth of the
Scientific Importance which never been explained.

Kaliuga=4,32,000 Years!!! No Science man will believe it. Because he is a man of
the incomplete science.

It requires AstroNOMICAL, Geological, Vedic, Mathematical, Archaeological, & so
many fields of the science to Co-relate for the conclusion.

We are very poor to that, That is why how that was told in Veda -"Dharma". Else
no one would believe that, Not even me.

Let us see on simple example with calculation.

Kaliuga=4,32,000 years=4.32*10^5.
Mahauga=4.32*10^5*10 Y=4.32*10^6.
1 KALPA=4.32*10^6*1000=4.32*10^9.

1KALPA DAY+1KALPA NIGHT=BRAHMAS AHORATRA
DAY= Development(Functioning) time.
NIGHT=DESTROYING(Non functional) time.

Every Atomic Periods has HALF LIFE TIME (functioning &
non-functioning-Destroying time).

Above 4.32*10^9 *2 = 8.64*10^9 years is the Brahmas Day & Night (Ahoratra) is
equal to ONE LIFE TIME OF OUR SUN 8.64 bn Years.

Half time is sun active (Day of SUNShine) Half time is Sun Night(Sun goes to
destroy to Red giant or White dwarf - even to Black hole to regenerate again).

Since the Sun is active Half of the day has passed according to VEDAS
=2.16*10^9.
and From the Suns Midnight (SUNS BIRTH) it took 2.16*10^9 years to reach its
Morning(Mature SUN Star).

So 4.32*10^9(bn) years has passed according to Science and VEDAS. Remaining of
the Half life of the sun is 4.32*10^9. (bn) years left.

Of that half is active period & rest will be the start of evening of the SUN to
Midnight of the sun(non active) to the total atomic destruction of the UN
PARTICLES. Hope that will put US in thoughts of some Scientific & Dharma. If U
need any graphical representation or any other assistance , please do not
hesitate to contact Us.
Hope you will feedback us on those thoughts.

ç (Diagrammatic Presentation of Sun life span (Past and remained) ALSO
deference of start point of Sun Science and Vedic Science with SHRUSTI SARGAN
time AHO=Day of SUN.)

MAHAUGA
DIVYA VARSHA *360
VARSH
WITH
SANDHI
VARSHA


SATYAUGA =
4800
1728000
WITH
800
288000
AFTER MAHAUGA

DWAPARUGA=
3600
1296000
WITH
600
216000
AFTER DWAPARUGA

TRETAUGA=
2400
864000
WITH
400
144000
AFTER TRETAUGA

KALIUGA =
1200
432000
WITH
200
72000
AFTER KALIUGA

TOTAL=
12000
4320000
WITH
2000
720000










1 KALP = 1 BRAMHA DAY = 1000 MAHAUGAS =


(TOTAL YEARS 4320000000)

(TOTAL YEARS 4320000000)
4320000000









71 MAHAUGA= 1 MANU ANTAR + 1 SATYAUGA OF SANDHI (JAL PRALAYA = 1728000 )





1 KALP = 14* MANU ANTAR + 15 SANDHI (( 14 SANDHI + 1 ARAMBHA ( START )
SANDHI ))









1 KALP = 14 Manvantar
71 MAHAUGA +
15 SANDHI Satyauga

Mahauga
Total Mahaugas


14
994
15
25920000
= 6
1000
4320000000









OUR SUN'S LIFE = 1 KALP DAY (4320000000 YEARS) + 1 KALP NIGHT (4320000000
YEARS)




=
8 64 00 00 000 = 8.64 Bn years







8640000000


So if we divide that life span circle of 8.64 bn Years of sun the (do understand
the points of Science Life and the Vedic life and so starting points of those
life spans. as Vedic divide them in Day and a Night of SUN LIFE.) so Vedic
calculations match better than the science!! As the Andromeda is approaching in
2-3 billions of years! Will sun survive beyond those periods? So there are no
chance of extra life of our earth beyond those periods. If No than what is Life
span of our Sun and the Earth? Will that be 5Bn years as said or less than that?

http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.html/

When will the next galaxy hit the Milky Way? according to Dr. Sten Odenwald
with NASA's IMAGE/POETRY project: "Well...The Milky Way is currently making a
meal of the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds and will probably finish digesting
them in, say, 100 million years or so. There are also several dwarf galaxies
such as the Sagittarius System that are also, apparently, waiting in the wings.
The biggest, and most spectacular, collision will be with the Andromeda Galaxy (
Messier 31) which is due to visit us in about 2-3 billion years give or take a
few millenia! It is approaching the Milky Way at a speed of roughly 300 km/sec,
so that in 1 billion years it will be 300,000 parsecs closer ( roughly 1/2 its
current distance). By the time they are 100,000 parsecs apart, in about 2
billion years or so, massive tidal gravitational effects will tear spiral arms
apart and start to shred the pinwheels from the outside-in." What else?
From our prime-radiant site: notes on Colliding and the Fate of the Milky Way
(8/3/01)

2)
a) What we know of our nearest astronomical neighbors? eg planets Venus?
Planet mars? gravitations misunderstood!! beagle2 Crash landed because we even
did not know about the landing speed as misunderstood the Mars gravitation, and
so we forgot to add the retrograde decelerating rockets for that landing. just
started to search for that.
Venus still a mystery! let us say We do not know who is that? "Clouds ke niche
kya hai Clouds ke niche?" Don't know what is under the CO2 clouds atmosphere?
Why it has so dense atmosphere in comparison to earth though it has less
gravitation than that of Earth? is that because is closer to SUN?

B) Our Nearest Solar system? Alfa centoris? Not know much - let us say we know
nothing about it!!

C) Our Nearest neighbour galaxy - Andromeda ? some say it has about 150,000 LY
wide and 2000 000LY far from us - so just about 15 time far than its size so
angle anti sign of about 1/15. (more than 3 degree size in the space- that id 7
times the size of our sun in the sky- Sun has about 1/2degree size in the SKY)
How far is it and How big is it? How big will it appear in the sky from our
earth?

Many things we been told wrong and we just blindly believe those and do not
think of the reality of it as we got it ready made, but are those true?

D) Recently Hubble found an object which is 300 000 Million LY year away = 300
000 000 000 = 300 Bn Ly years away means now our universe is 300 BN years Old
and not 13 Bn as thought few days ago - so enjoy now. watch
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml dated
5th April and watch Watch Online and hear
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml/ if
not active then soon will be on the net.

From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.



Need to understand the difference of the gravitation – Force and the field of
the force in distance from the planetary body.



In general gravitation is described as a gravitational force at the surface of
the planetary body. e. g. Gravitational force of earth is 9.8m/s.s – at the
surface of the Earth.



Gravitational fields can shrink or swell – with the influence of the gravitation
of other powerful objects – body in the space.



Let us start with some simple examples to understand the gravitational fields
and shrinking and bulging of the fields.



1) A) Sun and Jupiter and its gravitational comparisons.



Sun and Jupiter has nearly the same specific gravity of the matter of the Sun
and Jupiter – so we choose them for easy comparison.



Sun has approximate 1000 Jupiter mass. So Sun can generate 1000 times
gravitation than that of Jupiter. But gravitation is also inversely proportional
to the distance.



So if go square root of 1000 = 31.62 times far from Sun – suns gravitation force
is reduced to 1/1000 at that point in the space.



Now if we remain 1d from Jupiter and 31.62d from Sun and find that place the
gravitations of both will be neutral for each other. Let us find that place. Let
us divide the Distance of Sun and a Jupiter by 31.62+1= 32.62d, So 778, 000, 000
/ 32.62 = 2,38, 000 00 Km, so d = 23800000 km is the distance where Jupiter
satellites (last satellite – 23700000 Km SINOPE ) can go round the Jupiter. Any
thing beyond that will be dragged by sun gravitation. No satellite can exist
beyond this limit for Jupiter at that place. (If place is swapped for Saturn
than Jupiter gravitational field will swell up nearly 4 times)





1) B) Now let us find how big the gravitational field of the Saturn is!



Sun has approximate 3473 Saturn mass. So Sun can generate 3473 times gravitation
than that of Saturn. But gravitation is also inversely proportional to the
distance.



So if go square root of 3473 = 58.93, times far from Sun – suns gravitation
force is reduced to 1/3473 at that point in the space.



Now if we remain at 1d from Saturn and 58.93 d from Sun and find that place, the
gravitations of both will be neutralised for each other. Let us find that place.
Let us divide the Distance of Sun and a Jupiter by 58.93+1= 59.93d, So 1427,
000, 000 / 59.93 = 2,38, 000 00 Km, so d = 23800000 km is the distance where
Saturn satellites can go round the Jupiter. (But the last satellite –129,52,
000 Km , so many more need to find beyond these satellites).



Surprisingly! Looking at the Data below and both gravitational fields above of
Jupiter and Saturn Both have the nearly same area though the actual gravitation
of Saturn is less than the that of the Earth G and Mass of Saturn is much less
than that of Jupiter. The reason as the distance of Saturn from the Sun is
nearly twice than that of Jupiter from the Sun, so the gravitation of sun
reduces near Saturn about ¼ of that is at the place near the Jupiter.



2) A) Comparison of the Jupiter and Saturn in relation to their
gravitational fields and power:



Jupiter Distance from the Sun= 778.3 mn Km
Saturn Distance from the Sun= 1427 mn Km

Jupiter Mass = 318 Earth Mass
Saturn Mass = 95 Earth Mass

Jupiter Gravitation = ??? Find Out (Earth G =1)
Saturn Gravitation = ?? Find Out (Earth G =1)



Q 1:- As Saturn has the Mass of ONLY 0.3 Mass of Jupiter – does Saturn has
gravitational field of 0.3 of that of Jupiter? No because Last satellite of
Saturn is furtherer than that Distance. Nearly at half distance 129,52,000Km



Q 2:- G of Saturn is less that that of the Earth G but why satellites of Saturn
are beyond that limits? Because Saturn’s bigger Gravitational field (nearly
equal to that of Jupiter) extending big as that of Jupiter-23800000 km.



JUPITER: As Jupiter Mass is 318 times that of Earth and Ratio of the radius of
the Jupiter and Earth is = 71492/6378= 11.209.

Jupiter G is proportional to Mass and inverse of square of radius ratio –
distance will be as follows.

11.21 x 11.21= 125.64

318/125.64 = 2.53 Earth G – SO Jupiter Gravitation is about approximates to 2.5
times that of our Earth.



Similarly find out Saturn gravitation will be about 0.93 G Earth – nearly to
Earth.



3) *) Similarly Earth and Moon Gravitational calculation can be done by
school Maths, and if you can, see those gravitational fields of the Earth and
the Moon are separated with a gape of dominant sun gravitation in between as in
the case of interplanetary gravitation of the sun between to planetary orbits.



When ever some one forgets to consider such minute calculations – of the
shrinking – and widening of gravitational fields because of other power of
gravitation or EM G , it fails the mission, it can be any one even NASA.



3) A)

Let Us check that with simple maths checks for the Earth & our Moon. And next
door neighbour Mars.



Earth Distance from the Sun= 149.6 mn Km Mars
Distance from the Sun= 175.6 mn Km

Earth Mass = 1
Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass

Earth Gravitation = 1 = 9.8/ s.s (Earth G =1) Mars
Gravitation = .38 (Earth G =1)



EARTH Gravitation field (not the Earth G )



Mass of the Sun is about 330 000 times that of the Earth so gravitation is
proportional to Mass = 330 000 time that of the Earth.



So let us go far from Sun and close to the Earth at distance “d” again. And find
that mathematical d for our Earth and Moon.



For that let us take square root of 330 000 = 574 d from the Sun and 1d from the
earth = 575 d,

Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 149.6 mn Km / 575 = 260173 km = 1d,

If we stay at distance from the earth at 1 d =260173km and 574 d from the sun –
sun gravitation will be reduced by 574x574= 330 000, mean will be equal to that
of the earth at that point in the space.



Here any thing passing inside 260173 km from the earth will be diverted towards
the Earth but rest will go towards the Sun.



3) B) Similarly MOON Gravitation field (not the Moon G )



Mass of the Sun is about 27083333 times that of the MOON so gravitation is
proportional to Mass = 27083333time that of the Moon.

So let us go far from Sun and close to the Moon at distance “d” again. And find
that mathematical d for our MOON.



For that let us take square root of 27083333= 5204 d from the Sun and 1d from
the Moon = 5205 d,

Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 149.6 mn Km / 5205 = 28741 km = 1d,

If we stay at distance from the Moon at 1 d =28741km and 5204 d from the sun –
Sun gravitation will be reduced by 5204x5204=27081616, mean will be nearly equal
to that of the Moon at that point in the space.



But that leaves an Empty gape e.g. Moon distance from the Earth = 384400 Km is
much larger than the sum of two fields of the gravitation of Earth and the Moon
(Moon at 1d =28741km + Earth at 1d =260173km = 288914 Km).



Difference id Gape between two gravitational field = Moon distance from the
Earth = 384400 Km - 288914 Km = 95486 Km which is without the gravitation of
Earth or Moon, so is under the influence of sun gravitation as said before. So
the two gravitational fields of Earth and the Moon are not bound to each other
but each one separately bound to the gravitation of Sun.



If so what will happen to the meteor or asteroid that pass in between (without
entering any one of gravitational fields of the Earth or Moon) the gravitation
of the Earth and that of our Moon. That will be dragged by the sun gravitation
to wards the Sun. And if so the question rises if the moon is not bound to the
earth gravitation and under the influence of the sun gravitation then, should
it be considered as satellite of earth or the twin planetary system in the earth
orbit?



IS MOON is the planet as out tradition has accepted may be that true – proven by
maths and also Origin of Moon fro the earth is disputed and nor the chemical
composition is not same as that of the Earth!

Soon new theories will be on the way to as new theories are already on the way
for the Universe – Multiverse–parallel uni-multiverse, string theory of the
strings of the energy created the UNI-Multiverse. As in VEDA the SHAKTI created
the Brahmands

http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubofindia/message/45

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/everything.html

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/S/science/space/stringtheory.html

3) C) MARS Gravitation field (not the MARS - G )



Distance from the Sun = 227.9 mn Km. MARS G = 0.38 (Earth G =1)
Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass



Sun mass = 3084112 Mars mass.



For that let us take square root of 3084112= 1756, from the Sun 1756 d and 1d
from the MARS = 1757 d,

Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 227.9 mn Km / 1757 = 129709 km =
1d,

If we stay at distance from the Mars at 1 d =129709 km and 1756 d from the sun
– sun gravitation will be reduced by 1756 x1756=3083636, mean will be equal to
that of the Mars at that point in the space.



Looking at the Mars data though Mars G is only = 0.38 (Earth G =1) and Mars
Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass, the gravitational field is wider than the expected
(nearly half of that of the Earth, (Mars at 1 d =129709 km – as for the Earth
1d =260173 km).



That is how the Mars has comparative more influence on gravity at that place in
space. And starts dragging objects and accelerating quite earlier than we think
and more time gives more speed of probes to wards the mars surface – and speed
is gained more than we think (speed = gt) towards the Mars.



Try to swap the place of the Mars and earth and re calculate all data. And see
what happens to their gravitational field area. Which one shrinks and which one
swells up and how much? What will be the effects on the speeds for descents?



So we need to plan more deceleration on the descents of the probes. Even space
shuttle retrograde propellers could reduce the speed of entry to save from
friction heat in the case of damaged surface.



More advanced and formulated astronomical science study (Matter in the Universe)
are available at

Planetary and Space Sciences Research Institute

The Open University, http://www.openuniversity.com

Milton Keynes

MK7 6AA, UK,



From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.

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