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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: WHO IS RIGHT? http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.htmlhttp://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/000414b.asphttp://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast15jul99_2.htm
Dear Science and Astronomy friends,
There are many disputes, but seeing these it’s really looks that there are
plenty of Bluffs. recently NASA Declared galaxies are closing at the speed of
2000/s !!! But No calculation proofs and no confirmation. We just blindly
Believe BIG names and even their bluffs and no one tries to make calculation
check. Is there any one can put some calculations? Hope some one will find
correction with proof of calculations a not just Copy ditto of BIG NAMES
information.
It has been found on statistics and graphical presentation that :
1) Natural satellites are going round at near about 1- 4 km /s round the
planetary bodies.(Units speed) our Moon speed <1km /s.
2) Planets are going round at near about 10- 40 km /s round the solar
systems.(tens speed) Earth 29-30 Km /s round the Sun.
3) Solar Systems are going round at near about 100- 400 km /s round the
Galaxies. (Hundreds speed) solar system 280 km /s.
4) Galaxies are going round at near about 1000+ km /s round (thousands
speed) NASA Declared galaxies are closing at the speed of 2000/s
5) If anything (Universe) going 10000-40000 speed (in a muliverse system)
Multiverse system ?? be travelling 100000 - 400000 km /s ??????? That's not the
materialistic worlds ad 300000/s speed is the speed of energy not the
materialistic matter. (INVISIBLE)
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubofindia/message/6
February 14, 2002 "<br>Just last night -
scientist found that Remained SUN LIFE of our SUN star can
not be greater than 3BN years as the two galaxies
(Andromeda and Milky way are closing at the speed of 2000Km
/s * 3bn years =22Mn light years ) will destroy the
stars of galaxies and the sun will neither become white
dwarf nor the red Giant.<br><br>(Calculations: speed of
2000Km /s * 3bn years =22Mn light years )
http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.html
When will the next galaxy hit the Milky Way? According to Dr. Sten Odenwald
with NASA's IMAGE/POETRY project:
"Well...The Milky Way is currently making a meal of the Large and Small
Magellanic Clouds and will probably finish digesting them in, say, 100 million
years or so. There are also several dwarf galaxies such as the Sagittarius
System that are also, apparently, waiting in the wings. The biggest, and most
spectacular, collision will be with the Andromeda Galaxy ( Messier 31) which is
due to visit us in about 2-3 billion years give or take a few millenia! It is
approaching the Milky Way at a speed of roughly 300 km/sec, so that in 1 billion
years it will be 300,000 parsecs closer ( roughly 1/2 its current distance). By
the time they are 100,000 parsecs apart, in about 2 billion years or so, massive
tidal gravitational effects will tear spiral arms apart and start to shred the
pinwheels from the outside-in."
What else? From our prime-radiant site: notes on Colliding and the Fate of
the Milky Way (8/3/01)
http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/000414b.asp
The 2.2-million-light-year gap between the Milky Way and Andromeda is closing at
about 500,000 kilometres an hour, he explains. That pace will quicken as the two
galaxies near each other.
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast15jul99_2.htm
Collisions are much rarer today than they were in the past, but not impossible.
Our own spiral galaxy, the Milky Way, is currently "eating up" several small
satellite galaxies. Within 5 to 10 billion years -- some computer simulations
show -- the Milky Way may collide with the Andromeda galaxy, and the result
would be an elliptical galaxy.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:07 AM
Subject: What we know? and What we do Not? - Full detailed report SOON! (Sorry 4
LONG details)
From: KutchScience
Dear Science and Astronomy Friends,
What we know geo-astronomicaly about our home Earth and our nearest astronomical
enamours?
1)About US (eg Earth and our Solar system)
A) What we know about our Geo-Astronomical Position of our own Home _ EARTH in
our galaxy? Our Earth and Solar system's orientation in Milky way (eg. what
position our solar system rotates round the Milky way Galaxy and What is an
angle of tilt with the galactic plane?)
Hints Galactic plane may not be same (parallel) plane as our solar system! May
be our solar system is tilted. If our galactic centre is in southern direction
can be seen in summer time nights in Sagittarius. means our south pole is
towards the galactic centre, what is possible angle is that? What gravitational
effect it can generate if it not in the same planes? does that will drag (Earth
magma) to wards the south pole - (in the direction towards the galactic centre)
as if Our earth and Our solar system has lower centripetal forces in the poles.
B) What we know about Sun Life span? And Earth Life span? Will Earth be
destroyed with Sun as it is been said?
We been Just said that Sun will survive 5 Bn years so after that it will blast
and engulf the planets. will that really happen? Or as said by NASA and many -
that as andromeda is approaching some time in 2-3 bn years to collide with our
milky way that will destroy our Sun and also all planets - so there will nothing
happen as said about sun and planet.
C) VEDA - YUGA? Mahayuga!! And WHY KALIUGA IS 432000 Years? Let us see the
science can see it.
Science and NASA says that chances of the loss of the life by and Asteroid
impact on Earth are 1% in about 50 centuries!!
So if 1% chance in 5000 years then in 500 000 years there will be 100% lose of
life and civilization on the Earth! As probability works the way – as time
passes and nothing happen in next 50 century chances increases for remained
time. So if nothing happened in next 400 000 years the chances after 400 000
years chances are increased to 100% in 100 000 remained years. And as the time
of End of the “Kaliuga” approaches (4,32000 years) that probability is nearly
sure that civilization and life will be destroyed by the Impact of asteroid on
the Earth.
Science People will say it is just a JOCK!! But who knows that? Did any body
understand that and put in calculations? Let us try -
I forward some calculation made in "Bhagavata" to represent the truth of the
Scientific Importance which never been explained.
Kaliuga=4,32,000 Years!!! No Science man will believe it. Because he is a man of
the incomplete science.
It requires AstroNOMICAL, Geological, Vedic, Mathematical, Archaeological, & so
many fields of the science to Co-relate for the conclusion.
We are very poor to that, That is why how that was told in Veda -"Dharma". Else
no one would believe that, Not even me.
Let us see on simple example with calculation.
Kaliuga=4,32,000 years=4.32*10^5.
Mahauga=4.32*10^5*10 Y=4.32*10^6.
1 KALPA=4.32*10^6*1000=4.32*10^9.
1KALPA DAY+1KALPA NIGHT=BRAHMAS AHORATRA
DAY= Development(Functioning) time.
NIGHT=DESTROYING(Non functional) time.
Every Atomic Periods has HALF LIFE TIME (functioning &
non-functioning-Destroying time).
Above 4.32*10^9 *2 = 8.64*10^9 years is the Brahmas Day & Night (Ahoratra) is
equal to ONE LIFE TIME OF OUR SUN 8.64 bn Years.
Half time is sun active (Day of SUNShine) Half time is Sun Night(Sun goes to
destroy to Red giant or White dwarf - even to Black hole to regenerate again).
Since the Sun is active Half of the day has passed according to VEDAS
=2.16*10^9.
and From the Suns Midnight (SUNS BIRTH) it took 2.16*10^9 years to reach its
Morning(Mature SUN Star).
So 4.32*10^9(bn) years has passed according to Science and VEDAS. Remaining of
the Half life of the sun is 4.32*10^9. (bn) years left.
Of that half is active period & rest will be the start of evening of the SUN to
Midnight of the sun(non active) to the total atomic destruction of the UN
PARTICLES. Hope that will put US in thoughts of some Scientific & Dharma. If U
need any graphical representation or any other assistance , please do not
hesitate to contact Us.
Hope you will feedback us on those thoughts.
ç (Diagrammatic Presentation of Sun life span (Past and remained) ALSO
deference of start point of Sun Science and Vedic Science with SHRUSTI SARGAN
time AHO=Day of SUN.)
MAHAUGA
DIVYA VARSHA *360
VARSH
WITH
SANDHI
VARSHA
SATYAUGA =
4800
1728000
WITH
800
288000
AFTER MAHAUGA
DWAPARUGA=
3600
1296000
WITH
600
216000
AFTER DWAPARUGA
TRETAUGA=
2400
864000
WITH
400
144000
AFTER TRETAUGA
KALIUGA =
1200
432000
WITH
200
72000
AFTER KALIUGA
TOTAL=
12000
4320000
WITH
2000
720000
1 KALP = 1 BRAMHA DAY = 1000 MAHAUGAS =
(TOTAL YEARS 4320000000)
(TOTAL YEARS 4320000000)
4320000000
71 MAHAUGA= 1 MANU ANTAR + 1 SATYAUGA OF SANDHI (JAL PRALAYA = 1728000 )
1 KALP = 14* MANU ANTAR + 15 SANDHI (( 14 SANDHI + 1 ARAMBHA ( START )
SANDHI ))
1 KALP = 14 Manvantar
71 MAHAUGA +
15 SANDHI Satyauga
Mahauga
Total Mahaugas
14
994
15
25920000
= 6
1000
4320000000
OUR SUN'S LIFE = 1 KALP DAY (4320000000 YEARS) + 1 KALP NIGHT (4320000000
YEARS)
=
8 64 00 00 000 = 8.64 Bn years
8640000000
So if we divide that life span circle of 8.64 bn Years of sun the (do understand
the points of Science Life and the Vedic life and so starting points of those
life spans. as Vedic divide them in Day and a Night of SUN LIFE.) so Vedic
calculations match better than the science!! As the Andromeda is approaching in
2-3 billions of years! Will sun survive beyond those periods? So there are no
chance of extra life of our earth beyond those periods. If No than what is Life
span of our Sun and the Earth? Will that be 5Bn years as said or less than that?
http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.html/
When will the next galaxy hit the Milky Way? according to Dr. Sten Odenwald
with NASA's IMAGE/POETRY project: "Well...The Milky Way is currently making a
meal of the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds and will probably finish digesting
them in, say, 100 million years or so. There are also several dwarf galaxies
such as the Sagittarius System that are also, apparently, waiting in the wings.
The biggest, and most spectacular, collision will be with the Andromeda Galaxy (
Messier 31) which is due to visit us in about 2-3 billion years give or take a
few millenia! It is approaching the Milky Way at a speed of roughly 300 km/sec,
so that in 1 billion years it will be 300,000 parsecs closer ( roughly 1/2 its
current distance). By the time they are 100,000 parsecs apart, in about 2
billion years or so, massive tidal gravitational effects will tear spiral arms
apart and start to shred the pinwheels from the outside-in." What else?
From our prime-radiant site: notes on Colliding and the Fate of the Milky Way
(8/3/01)
2)
a) What we know of our nearest astronomical neighbors? eg planets Venus?
Planet mars? gravitations misunderstood!! beagle2 Crash landed because we even
did not know about the landing speed as misunderstood the Mars gravitation, and
so we forgot to add the retrograde decelerating rockets for that landing. just
started to search for that.
Venus still a mystery! let us say We do not know who is that? "Clouds ke niche
kya hai Clouds ke niche?" Don't know what is under the CO2 clouds atmosphere?
Why it has so dense atmosphere in comparison to earth though it has less
gravitation than that of Earth? is that because is closer to SUN?
B) Our Nearest Solar system? Alfa centoris? Not know much - let us say we know
nothing about it!!
C) Our Nearest neighbour galaxy - Andromeda ? some say it has about 150,000 LY
wide and 2000 000LY far from us - so just about 15 time far than its size so
angle anti sign of about 1/15. (more than 3 degree size in the space- that id 7
times the size of our sun in the sky- Sun has about 1/2degree size in the SKY)
How far is it and How big is it? How big will it appear in the sky from our
earth?
Many things we been told wrong and we just blindly believe those and do not
think of the reality of it as we got it ready made, but are those true?
D) Recently Hubble found an object which is 300 000 Million LY year away = 300
000 000 000 = 300 Bn Ly years away means now our universe is 300 BN years Old
and not 13 Bn as thought few days ago - so enjoy now. watch
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml dated
5th April and watch Watch Online and hear
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml/ if
not active then soon will be on the net.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
Need to understand the difference of the gravitation – Force and the field of
the force in distance from the planetary body.
In general gravitation is described as a gravitational force at the surface of
the planetary body. e. g. Gravitational force of earth is 9.8m/s.s – at the
surface of the Earth.
Gravitational fields can shrink or swell – with the influence of the gravitation
of other powerful objects – body in the space.
Let us start with some simple examples to understand the gravitational fields
and shrinking and bulging of the fields.
1) A) Sun and Jupiter and its gravitational comparisons.
Sun and Jupiter has nearly the same specific gravity of the matter of the Sun
and Jupiter – so we choose them for easy comparison.
Sun has approximate 1000 Jupiter mass. So Sun can generate 1000 times
gravitation than that of Jupiter. But gravitation is also inversely proportional
to the distance.
So if go square root of 1000 = 31.62 times far from Sun – suns gravitation force
is reduced to 1/1000 at that point in the space.
Now if we remain 1d from Jupiter and 31.62d from Sun and find that place the
gravitations of both will be neutral for each other. Let us find that place. Let
us divide the Distance of Sun and a Jupiter by 31.62+1= 32.62d, So 778, 000, 000
/ 32.62 = 2,38, 000 00 Km, so d = 23800000 km is the distance where Jupiter
satellites (last satellite – 23700000 Km SINOPE ) can go round the Jupiter. Any
thing beyond that will be dragged by sun gravitation. No satellite can exist
beyond this limit for Jupiter at that place. (If place is swapped for Saturn
than Jupiter gravitational field will swell up nearly 4 times)
1) B) Now let us find how big the gravitational field of the Saturn is!
Sun has approximate 3473 Saturn mass. So Sun can generate 3473 times gravitation
than that of Saturn. But gravitation is also inversely proportional to the
distance.
So if go square root of 3473 = 58.93, times far from Sun – suns gravitation
force is reduced to 1/3473 at that point in the space.
Now if we remain at 1d from Saturn and 58.93 d from Sun and find that place, the
gravitations of both will be neutralised for each other. Let us find that place.
Let us divide the Distance of Sun and a Jupiter by 58.93+1= 59.93d, So 1427,
000, 000 / 59.93 = 2,38, 000 00 Km, so d = 23800000 km is the distance where
Saturn satellites can go round the Jupiter. (But the last satellite –129,52,
000 Km , so many more need to find beyond these satellites).
Surprisingly! Looking at the Data below and both gravitational fields above of
Jupiter and Saturn Both have the nearly same area though the actual gravitation
of Saturn is less than the that of the Earth G and Mass of Saturn is much less
than that of Jupiter. The reason as the distance of Saturn from the Sun is
nearly twice than that of Jupiter from the Sun, so the gravitation of sun
reduces near Saturn about ¼ of that is at the place near the Jupiter.
2) A) Comparison of the Jupiter and Saturn in relation to their
gravitational fields and power:
Jupiter Distance from the Sun= 778.3 mn Km
Saturn Distance from the Sun= 1427 mn Km
Jupiter Mass = 318 Earth Mass
Saturn Mass = 95 Earth Mass
Jupiter Gravitation = ??? Find Out (Earth G =1)
Saturn Gravitation = ?? Find Out (Earth G =1)
Q 1:- As Saturn has the Mass of ONLY 0.3 Mass of Jupiter – does Saturn has
gravitational field of 0.3 of that of Jupiter? No because Last satellite of
Saturn is furtherer than that Distance. Nearly at half distance 129,52,000Km
Q 2:- G of Saturn is less that that of the Earth G but why satellites of Saturn
are beyond that limits? Because Saturn’s bigger Gravitational field (nearly
equal to that of Jupiter) extending big as that of Jupiter-23800000 km.
JUPITER: As Jupiter Mass is 318 times that of Earth and Ratio of the radius of
the Jupiter and Earth is = 71492/6378= 11.209.
Jupiter G is proportional to Mass and inverse of square of radius ratio –
distance will be as follows.
11.21 x 11.21= 125.64
318/125.64 = 2.53 Earth G – SO Jupiter Gravitation is about approximates to 2.5
times that of our Earth.
Similarly find out Saturn gravitation will be about 0.93 G Earth – nearly to
Earth.
3) *) Similarly Earth and Moon Gravitational calculation can be done by
school Maths, and if you can, see those gravitational fields of the Earth and
the Moon are separated with a gape of dominant sun gravitation in between as in
the case of interplanetary gravitation of the sun between to planetary orbits.
When ever some one forgets to consider such minute calculations – of the
shrinking – and widening of gravitational fields because of other power of
gravitation or EM G , it fails the mission, it can be any one even NASA.
3) A)
Let Us check that with simple maths checks for the Earth & our Moon. And next
door neighbour Mars.
Earth Distance from the Sun= 149.6 mn Km Mars
Distance from the Sun= 175.6 mn Km
Earth Mass = 1
Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass
Earth Gravitation = 1 = 9.8/ s.s (Earth G =1) Mars
Gravitation = .38 (Earth G =1)
EARTH Gravitation field (not the Earth G )
Mass of the Sun is about 330 000 times that of the Earth so gravitation is
proportional to Mass = 330 000 time that of the Earth.
So let us go far from Sun and close to the Earth at distance “d” again. And find
that mathematical d for our Earth and Moon.
For that let us take square root of 330 000 = 574 d from the Sun and 1d from the
earth = 575 d,
Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 149.6 mn Km / 575 = 260173 km = 1d,
If we stay at distance from the earth at 1 d =260173km and 574 d from the sun –
sun gravitation will be reduced by 574x574= 330 000, mean will be equal to that
of the earth at that point in the space.
Here any thing passing inside 260173 km from the earth will be diverted towards
the Earth but rest will go towards the Sun.
3) B) Similarly MOON Gravitation field (not the Moon G )
Mass of the Sun is about 27083333 times that of the MOON so gravitation is
proportional to Mass = 27083333time that of the Moon.
So let us go far from Sun and close to the Moon at distance “d” again. And find
that mathematical d for our MOON.
For that let us take square root of 27083333= 5204 d from the Sun and 1d from
the Moon = 5205 d,
Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 149.6 mn Km / 5205 = 28741 km = 1d,
If we stay at distance from the Moon at 1 d =28741km and 5204 d from the sun –
Sun gravitation will be reduced by 5204x5204=27081616, mean will be nearly equal
to that of the Moon at that point in the space.
But that leaves an Empty gape e.g. Moon distance from the Earth = 384400 Km is
much larger than the sum of two fields of the gravitation of Earth and the Moon
(Moon at 1d =28741km + Earth at 1d =260173km = 288914 Km).
Difference id Gape between two gravitational field = Moon distance from the
Earth = 384400 Km - 288914 Km = 95486 Km which is without the gravitation of
Earth or Moon, so is under the influence of sun gravitation as said before. So
the two gravitational fields of Earth and the Moon are not bound to each other
but each one separately bound to the gravitation of Sun.
If so what will happen to the meteor or asteroid that pass in between (without
entering any one of gravitational fields of the Earth or Moon) the gravitation
of the Earth and that of our Moon. That will be dragged by the sun gravitation
to wards the Sun. And if so the question rises if the moon is not bound to the
earth gravitation and under the influence of the sun gravitation then, should
it be considered as satellite of earth or the twin planetary system in the earth
orbit?
IS MOON is the planet as out tradition has accepted may be that true – proven by
maths and also Origin of Moon fro the earth is disputed and nor the chemical
composition is not same as that of the Earth!
Soon new theories will be on the way to as new theories are already on the way
for the Universe – Multiverse–parallel uni-multiverse, string theory of the
strings of the energy created the UNI-Multiverse. As in VEDA the SHAKTI created
the Brahmands
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3) C) MARS Gravitation field (not the MARS - G )
Distance from the Sun = 227.9 mn Km. MARS G = 0.38 (Earth G =1)
Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass
Sun mass = 3084112 Mars mass.
For that let us take square root of 3084112= 1756, from the Sun 1756 d and 1d
from the MARS = 1757 d,
Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 227.9 mn Km / 1757 = 129709 km =
1d,
If we stay at distance from the Mars at 1 d =129709 km and 1756 d from the sun
– sun gravitation will be reduced by 1756 x1756=3083636, mean will be equal to
that of the Mars at that point in the space.
Looking at the Mars data though Mars G is only = 0.38 (Earth G =1) and Mars
Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass, the gravitational field is wider than the expected
(nearly half of that of the Earth, (Mars at 1 d =129709 km – as for the Earth
1d =260173 km).
That is how the Mars has comparative more influence on gravity at that place in
space. And starts dragging objects and accelerating quite earlier than we think
and more time gives more speed of probes to wards the mars surface – and speed
is gained more than we think (speed = gt) towards the Mars.
Try to swap the place of the Mars and earth and re calculate all data. And see
what happens to their gravitational field area. Which one shrinks and which one
swells up and how much? What will be the effects on the speeds for descents?
So we need to plan more deceleration on the descents of the probes. Even space
shuttle retrograde propellers could reduce the speed of entry to save from
friction heat in the case of damaged surface.
More advanced and formulated astronomical science study (Matter in the Universe)
are available at
Planetary and Space Sciences Research Institute
The Open University, http://www.openuniversity.com
Milton Keynes
MK7 6AA, UK,
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
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We compiled all solar eclipses for the nearer future, accompagned with a
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Solar Eclipses 2005-2009
Orthographic View Date Eclipse
Type Maximum
Phase Maximum
Duration Geographical Area
2005 April 8 Friday Annular-Total 100.8% 0m46.8s Partial:
New Zealand, Pacific Ocean, Central and Southern America, Southern
and Eastern part of USA
Total:
Pacific Ocean
Annular:
Costa Rica, Panama, Columbia, Venezuela,
2005 October 3 Monday Annular 95.8 % 4m26.4s Partial:
Europe, Africa, South-West Asia, Indian Subcontinent, Indian Ocean
Annular:
Portugal, Spain, Algeria, Tunesia, Libya, Chad, Sudan, Ethiopia,
Kenya, Somalia
2006 March 29 Wednesday Total 105.2% 4m10.9s Partial:
Eastern parts of Brazil, Atlantic Ocean, Europe, Africa, Asia
Total:
Brazil, Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria, Niger, Chad, Libya, Egypt,
Turkey, Georgia, Russia, Kazakstan, (Mongolia)
2006 September 22 Friday Annular 93.6% 7m04.2s Partial:
South America, Atlantic Ocean, Western and Southern Africa,
Antarctica
Annular:
Guyana, Surinam, French Guiana, Brazil
2007 March 19 Monday Partial 84.4% Partial:
Asia, Alaska
2007 September 11 Tuesday Partial 79.5% Partial:
South America, Antarctica
2008 February 7 Thursday Annular 96.6% 2m08.7s Partial:
Antarctica, South-East Australia, New Zealand, Polynesia
Annular:
Antarctica
2008 August 1 Friday Total 104.0% 2m30.6s Partial:
Canada, Greenland, Europe, Asia
Total:
Canada, Greenland, Russia, (Kazakstan), Mongolia, China
2009 January 26 Monday Annular 92.9% 7m48.7s Partial:
Southern Africa, Indian Ocean, Antarctica, India, South-East Asia,
Indonesia, Australia
Annular:
Indonesia, (Malaysia), (Philippines)
2009 July 22 Wednesday Total 108.1% 6m43.5s Partial:
Asia, Polynesia, Pacific Ocean
Total:
India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan, China Ostchinesisches Meer
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To: astronomyclubindia
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [astronomyclubindia] HI !!! Friends Better you do not miss 22 July
2009 Another Golden opportunity for Gujarat and India
Friends Better you do not miss 22 July 2009 Another Golden opportunity for
Gujarat (Towns of South east of saurashtra, and south Gujarat - SURAT is in the
centre) and centa part of India.
http://www.calsky.com/csrender.cgi?object=Planet&number=0&tdt=2455034.53754184&o\
bs=31648289020
Time:
2009 July 22 Wednesday, 2h 51m 33s
JD: 2455034.5358009 TDT: 2455034.5366690 deltaT: 75.01 sec
Apparent sideral time: Local: 1h 43m 08.344s Greenwich: 20h 51m 13.144s
(All times in CEST, topocentric data for India, User Site)
Geocentric:
True distance: 1.0160268 AU Light time: 0h 08m 27.0s
Equatorial Coordinates
Apparent: R.A. 8h 06m 06.9s Dec. + 20d 16' 54.5"
Ecliptical Coordinates
Geometric: Lon. 119d 22' 29.8" Lat. + 0d 00' 00.1" (mean equinox,
ecliptic of date)
At zenith: Lon. 168d 43' 27" Lat. + 20d 16' 55"
Topocentric:
Airfree coordinates
Altitude: 2.1833 deg Azimuth: 69.0622 deg Direction:
East-Northeast
Astrometric: R.A. 8h 05m 32.9s Dec. + 20d 18' 30.9" (J2000)
Apparent: R.A. 8h 06m 07.5s Dec. + 20d 16' 51.2"
Coordinates including refraction
Altitude: 2.45 deg Azimuth: 69.06 deg Direction: East-Northeast
Apparent: R.A. 8h 05m 03s Dec. + 20d 22' 55"
Rises 2h 37.6m Transit 9h 14m 32.4s Sets 15h 51.3m
In constellation (null) (Cnc)
Physical:
Diameter: + 0d 31' 29.01"
Visual magnitude: -27.0 mag
Sub-Earth Phi: 4.99 deg, Lambda: 23.4 deg
PositionAngle of axis: 6.74 deg (from North to East)
Position Angle of axis: 75.08 deg (from Zenith to East)
Local Circumstances for Solar Eclipse (or Transit)
Wednesday 22 July 2009 Time Object Event
2h36.4m Eclipse at Sunrise: Magnitude=71.4%,
Obscuration=65.2%
Position angle=202.5deg, Position angle vertex=277.5deg,
2h51m09.7s Umbra eclipse begins
Position angle=279.6deg, Position angle vertex=347.8deg,
Altitude=2.6deg
2h52m48.2s Maximum eclipse: Total Solar Eclipse
Magnitude=106.272%, Obscuration=100.000%
Position angle=9.0deg, Position angle vertex=77.3deg,
Altitude=2.9deg,
Duration partial phase=1.22h Duration total/annular phase=3.30min,
ET-UT=75.0sec
2h54m27.4s Umbra eclipse ends
Position angle=98.5deg, Position angle vertex=167.0deg,
Altitude=3.3deg
3h49m47.8s Partial Solar Eclipse ends
Position angle=99.6deg, Position angle vertex=172.2deg,
Altitude=15.5deg
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_699546%2C00040005.htm
Prof Jayant Narlikar gets Prix Jenssen Gold Medal
Press Trust of India
Jayant Narlikar, Professor Emeritus and founder director of Inter
University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics (IUCAA), has been awarded the
prestigious Prix Janssen Gold Medal for 2004 by the Society Astronomique de
France.
The eminent astronomer will receive the gold medal, the highest award
given by the French Astronomical Society, on May 4, 2004, IUCAA sources said.
The award is alternately given to a French astronomer (in odd years) and a
foreign astronomer (even years) for significant contribution to astronomy, they
said.
The award is named after French astronomer Pierre-Jules-C sar Janssen
(1824-1907), who was the first to obtain evidence about the existence of helium
on the sun and also discovered the chromosphere, a type of gaseous envelope
surrounding the star.
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friends,
Sub: - Model "VenusTransit Viewer " (Doc files and URL links of that UPLOADED
file are attavched).
VENUS TRANSIT View Box is To Be place along the line of shadows =>
We started to manufacture according to our required angle, soon will be in
market, Students can make at home with their requirements, Any other business
purpose requires permission for the production approvals,
Venus Transit Schedules:- Prepare the Venus transit View BOX as Above with 1)
Eyepiece 20X/40X , A Card board Box 3” x5” and a Card board wedge triangle base
to put under the View Box so as Eyepiece of View Box face directly to the Sun.
Make a round hole in top side of Box to perfectly fit the eyepiece in it and can
slide up/down to get required size of Image.
For a Triangular Wedge can be prepared as following size angles as required by
individuals at individual places:
(Location Latitude -Sun angle on June 8) e.g. (Location Angle 33N – Sun Angle
22N= 11Degree). So a wedge of 11 Degree will make a tilt of 11 South to face
the Sun at that place on the day. So image of sun can be better captured
without holding a view Box. Here you are not watching directly to the sun so No
sun Filters are used here. Bottom of Box can decorated with a bright white
surface to get better image of the Sun.
Test your instrument in Last week of the May 2004 so as to practice your ability
to visualise Sun image and photographs. (25May onwards).
1st June watch for weather for 10 days of the area you are going to view the
Venus Transit. And plan accordingly. If Delhi or Jaipur is cloudy try to avoid
it else use JANTAR MANTAR VEDH SHALA and its SAMRAT YANTRA - Sun dials round
curved base to place your box along line of the Shadow as shown, so it will work
with Local Timing and Longitude and latitude. View 3D View in details @
http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/bap8/JaipurTour_2.htmlhttp://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/bap8/J_SY_1_1024nor.html,http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/bap8/J_SY_6_1024nor.html &
http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/bap8/J_SY_1_1024nor.html
Also JAIPUR SUN dial can measure 1/6 of a second by marking there you can
measure accurate timings and size of Venus – Sun and find out much more accuracy
(Means – in 1/6 of a second Earth moves 2.5"!! Multiply by 6X60secX4MinuteX2.5"
= 1440X2.5" = 1 degree Movement of earth in 4 minutes of time!! )
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Dear Science and Astronomy Friends,
What we know geo-astronomicaly about our home Earth and our nearest astronomical
enamours?
1)About US (eg Earth and our Solar system)
A) What we know about our Geo-Astronomical Position of our own Home _ EARTH in
our galaxy? Our Earth and Solar system's orientation in Milky way (eg. what
position our solar system rotates round the Milky way Galaxy and What is an
angle of tilt with the galactic plane?)
Hints Galactic plane may not be same (parallel) plane as our solar system! May
be our solar system is tilted. If our galactic centre is in southern direction
can be seen in summer time nights in Sagittarius. means our south pole is
towards the galactic centre, what is possible angle is that? What gravitational
effect it can generate if it not in the same planes? does that will drag (Earth
magma) to wards the south pole - (in the direction towards the galactic centre)
as if Our earth and Our solar system has lower centripetal forces in the poles.
B) what we know about Sun Life span? and Earth Life span? will Earth be
destroyed with Sun as it is been said?
We been Just said that Sun will survive 5 Bn years so after that it will blast
and engulf the planets. will that really happen? Or as said by NASA and many -
that as andromeda is approaching some time in 2-3 bn years to collide with our
milky way that will destroy our Sun and also all planets - so there will nothing
happen as said about sun and planet.
C) VEDA - YUGA? Mahayuga!!
Science People will say it is just a JOCK!! but who knows that? did any body
understand that and put in a calculations? Let us try -
I forward some calculation made in "Bhagavata" to represent the truth of the
Scientific Importance which never been explained.
Kaliuga=4,32,000 Years!!! No Science man will believe it. because he is a man of
the incomplete science.
It requires AstroNOMICAL, Geological, Vedic, Mathematical, Archaeological, & so
many fields of the science to Co-relate for the conclusion.
We are very poor to that, That is why how that was told in Veda -"Dharma". Else
no one would believe that, Not even me.
Let us see on simple example with calculation.
Kaliuga=4,32,000 years=4.32*10^5.
Mahauga=4.32*10^5*10 Y=4.32*10^6.
1 KALPA=4.32*10^6*1000=4.32*10^9.
1KALPA DAY+1KALPA NIGHT=BRAHMAS AHORATRA
DAY= Development(Functioning) time.
NIGHT=DESTROYING(Non functional) time.
Every Atomic Periods has HALF LIFE TIME (functioning &
non-functioning-Destroying time).
Above 4.32*10^9 *2 = 8.64*10^9 years is the Brahmas Day & Night (Ahoratra) is
equal to ONE LIFE TIME OF OUR SUN 8.64 bn Years.
Half time is sun active (Day of SUNShine) Half time is Sun Night(Sun goes to
destroy to Red giant or White dwarf - even to Black hole to regenerate again).
Since the Sun is active Half of the day has passed according to VEDAS
=2.16*10^9.
and From the Suns Midnight (SUNS BIRTH) it took 2.16*10^9 years to reach its
Morning(Mature SUN Star).
So 4.32*10^9(bn) years has passed according to Science and VEDAS. Remaining of
the Half life of the sun is 4.32*10^9. (bn) years left.
Of that half is active period & rest will be the start of evening of the SUN to
Midnight of the sun(non active) to the total atomic destruction of the UN
PARTICLES. Hope that will put US in thoughts of some Scientific & Dharma. If U
need any graphical representation or any other assistance , please do not
hesitate to contact Us.
Hope you will feedback us on those thoughts.
MAHAUGA DIVYA VARSHA *360 VARSH WITH SANDHI VARSHA
SATYAUGA = 4800 1728000 WITH 800 288000 AFTER MAHAUGA
DWAPARUGA= 3600 1296000 WITH 600 216000 AFTER DWAPARUGA
TRETAUGA= 2400 864000 WITH 400 144000 AFTER TRETAUGA
KALIUGA = 1200 432000 WITH 200 72000 AFTER KALIUGA
TOTAL= 12000 4320000 WITH 2000 720000
1 KALP = 1 BRAMHA DAY = 1000 MAHAUGAS = (TOTAL YEARS 4320000000)
(TOTAL YEARS 4320000000) 4320000000
71 MAHAUGA= 1 MANU ANTAR + 1 SATYAUGA OF SANDHI (JAL PRALAYA = 1728000 )
1 KALP = 14* MANU ANTAR + 15 SANDHI (( 14 SANDHI + 1 ARAMBHA ( START ) SANDHI ))
1 KALP = 14* 71 MAHAUGA + 15 SANDHI Satyauga Mahauga Total Mahaugas
14 994 15 25920000 6 1000 4320000000
OUR SUN'S LIFE = 1 KALP DAY (4320000000 YEARS) + 1 KALP NIGHT (4320000000
YEARS) = 8 64 00 00 000 = 8.64 Bn years
8640000000
So if we divide that life span circle of 8.64 bn Years of sun the (do understand
the points of Science Life and the Vedic life and so starting points of those
life spans. as Vedic divide them in Day and a Night of SUN LIFE.) so Vedic
calculations match better than the science!! as the Andromeda is approaching in
2-3 billions of years! will sun survive beyond that periods? so there are no
chance of extra life of our earth beyond that periods. If No than what is Life
span of our Sun and the Earth? will that be 5Bn years as said or less than that?
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubofindia/message/6
February 14, 2002 " Just last night - scientist found that Remained SUN LIFE of
our SUN star can not be greater than 3BN years as the two galaxies (Andromeda
and Milky way are closing at the speed of 2000Km /s * 3bn years =22Mn light
years ) will destroy the stars of galaxies and the sun will neither become white
dwarf nor the red Giant. Calculations: speed of 2000Km /s * 3bn yers =22Mn light
years)
http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.html
When will the next galaxy hit the Milky Way? according to Dr. Sten Odenwald
with NASA's IMAGE/POETRY project: "Well...The Milky Way is currently making a
meal of the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds and will probably finish digesting
them in, say, 100 million years or so. There are also several dwarf galaxies
such as the Sagittarius System that are also, apparently, waiting in the wings.
The biggest, and most spectacular, collision will be with the Andromeda Galaxy (
Messier 31) which is due to visit us in about 2-3 billion years give or take a
few millenia! It is approaching the Milky Way at a speed of roughly 300 km/sec,
so that in 1 billion years it will be 300,000 parsecs closer ( roughly 1/2 its
current distance). By the time they are 100,000 parsecs apart, in about 2
billion years or so, massive tidal gravitational effects will tear spiral arms
apart and start to shred the pinwheels from the outside-in." What else?
from our prime-radiant site: notes on Colliding and the Fate of the Milky Way
(8/3/01)
http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/000414b.asp
The 2.2-million-light-year gap between the Milky Way and Andromeda is closing at
about 500,000 kilometres an hour, he explains. That pace will quicken as the two
galaxies near each other.
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast15jul99_2.htm
Collisions are much rarer today than they were in the past, but not impossible.
Our own spiral galaxy, the Milky Way, is currently "eating up" several small
satellite galaxies. Within 5 to 10 billion years -- some computer simulations
show -- the Milky Way may collide with the Andromeda galaxy, and the result
would be an elliptical galaxy.
2)
a) What we know of our nearest astronomical neighbours? eg planets Venus?
Planet mars? gravitations misunderstood!! beagle2 Crash landed because we even
did not know about the landing speed as misunderstood the Mars gravitation, and
so we forgot to add the retrograde decelerating rockets for that landing. just
started to search for that.
Venus still a mystery! let us say We do not know who is that? "Clouds ke niche
kya hai Clouds ke niche?" Don't know what is under the CO2 clouds atmosphere?
Why it has so dense atmosphere in comparison to earth though it has less
gravitation than that of Earth? is that because is closer to SUN?
B) Our Nearest Solar system? Alfa centoris? Not know much - let us say we know
nothing about it!!
C) Our Nearest neighbour galaxy - Andromeda ? some say it has about 150,000 LY
wide and 2000 000LY far from us - so just about 15 time far than its size so
angle anti sign of about 1/15. (more than 3 degree size in the space- that id 7
times the size of our sun in the sky- Sun has about 1/2degree size in the SKY)
How far is it and How big is it? How big will it appear in the sky from our
earth?
Many things we been told wrong and we just blindly believe those and do not
think of the reality of it as we got it ready made, but are those true?
D) Recently Hubble found an object which is 300 000 Million LY year away = 300
000 000 000 = 300 Bn Ly years away means now our universe is 300 BN years Old
and not 13 Bn as thought few days ago - so enjoy now. watch
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml dated
5th April and watch Watch Online and hear
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml if not
active then soon will be on the net.
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Dear Science and Astronomy friends, Rathna shree and all archaeologists,
Q= (4. Whereas - standing on the floor and seeing the shadow in its entirety -
one can estimate the shadow canter even if the edges are falling in the gap
regions.)
A):-
Can be done by placing the string on both side platforms A & B so as the shadow
of string do match with the round shaped shadow of gnomon on the raised - steps
of floors. Does not matter string is bit straight or Oblique - use Length of
both plateforms from Gnomon to string mark, (A+B)/2 - that will give equivalent
length of shadow if the platform was there at that height.
Hints- Never show your back to gnomon else your shadow will interfere
measurements as in the picture- your shadow will overshadow the results.
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:33 PM
Subject: Q&A for Ancient caliberation power of ancient JAIPUR VEDH SHALA!!
Dear Science and Astronomy friends, Rathna shree and all archaeologists, How
good if I was with you at this time?
Dear Rathnashree, Really there is some confusion in your mind; I will be please
to help to sort that out,
1) Statement was about a month ago in group discursion chronology at appropriate
time of group discussions. No one asked me before nor the group was active long
before,
I did not put My History or chronology as I did not require that in that stage.
But that statement chronology is Old about last Helly time!
Thank you for asking chronology,
More over I did not say all YANTRAs are of same calibrations strength, but as
timing are concerned it does measure 1/6 of a second in time,
Means - 1/6 of a second earth moves 2.5"!!
Multiply by 6X60secX4MinuteX2.5" = 1440X2.5" = 1 degree Movement of earth in 4
minutes of time!! Hope that will resolve any doubts.
So if we measure a time interval of 1/6 of a second is equal to 2.5" Arc
movement of Earth in relation to celestial bodies in the sky. one should try to
measure time in Auto sundials in Jaipur and in Delhi too.
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Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:33 PM
Subject: Q&A for Ancient caliberation power of ancient JAIPUR VEDH SHALA!!
Dear Science and Astronomy friends, Rathna shree and all archaeologists, How
good if I was with you at this time?
Dear Rathnashree, Really there is some confusion in your mind; I will be please
to help to sort that out,
1) Statement was about a month ago in group discursion chronology at appropriate
time of group discussions. No one asked me before nor the group was active long
before,
I did not put My History or chronology as I did not require that in that stage.
But that statement chronology is Old about last Helly time!
Thank you for asking chronology,
More over I did not say all YANTRAs are of same calibrations strength, but as
timing are concerned it does measure 1/6 of a second in time,
Means - 1/6 of a second earth moves 2.5"!!
Multiply by 6X60secX4MinuteX2.5" = 1440X2.5" = 1 degree Movement of earth in 4
minutes of time!! Hope that will resolve any doubts.
So if we measure a time interval of 1/6 of a second is equal to 2.5" Arc
movement of Earth in relation to celestial bodies in the sky. one should try to
measure time in Auto sundials in Jaipur and in Delhi too.
Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of INDIA.
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--- In VenusTransit@yahoogroups.com, "rathnasree63" <rathnasree63@y...> wrote:
> Bhudia ji, the only reason I asked you if you had observed and
> obatined results yourself was because a month ago, you had mentioned
> that a friend had told you the accuracy possible from Jantar Mantar.
>
> Moreover, accuracies of 2.5" seem rather difficult to get from Jantar
> Mantar observations, surely?
>
> ANyway, we will try the lower floor method when possible - and
> meanwhile look also for other possible methods. There are also
> subtleties of night observing that I wished to post about - but, have
> not had a chance yet.
>
> Lastly, I would like to request you not to make political statements
> in this group - since you did make a political statement - I would
> like to remind that Jantar Mantar itself was built with financial
> backing from the Mughal emperor and we do not discuss this thread
> anymore please - political discussions have no place in this group.
>
> Rathna
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Dear Science and astronomy friends Rathna shree and all,
Sub: Q&A What should we do to preserve Our astronomical Archaeological
treasures?(VEDHshala & SUNtemples)
I surprised question raised, (typical nagging- poor conceptions,) I am principle
visitor of such places since '70, and for that I visit Delhi and Jaipur, and
that is why I wrote so many times to revitalise those places, and also
criticised to all other activity but work at JANTAR MANTAR, SO as I am running a
motion for that too and SUN TEMPLES as well with Ministers and Science media
reporters in Delhi and India, as more facility is @ JAIPUR - I also expalined
the "GOLDEN DAYS OF JAIPUR" I been using those place (VITM -Bangalore , JAIPUR
and Delhi) since 1970 with our schools and teacher staffs. that is why I also
given the accuracy of those places, But I surprise the reading just gone without
understanding,
How will you PRAISE - If some one goes in with SHOES on, in a Sea beach ancient
archaeological place - SHIVA temple at MAHABALIPURAM, if it is with out keeper
or without PUJARI? I do dare to say wrong as a wrong,
I showed you who was standing at correct position to see the measurement and I
Hope I do not need to show that who was not standing correctly in your
experimented photographic proofs. if you wish I will upload with marking
incorrect positions too.
AS a common sense too if you wish to use that place gently - mentally - one
should try to do at ground based floor and so as to preserve markings al ready
been poor by previous such occasions. and many Sun temples been destroyed by
intruders and vandalised after Muslim aggressions,
Also no one bothered to get a good advice from available facility @ JAIPUR guide
teams. do you think I am wasting my time?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VenusTransit/message/534 (that ancient observatory
place can measure 1/6 of the second in
time and that is equal to 0' 2.5" size of the angle of the sky observation
accuracy. And that all works local timing and longitude - latitude of the place.
Only the persons required to work for it.
We should utilize that place with aided observation with Venus transit of 8 June
2004. TEAM A - working with Local observatory guides and Team B working with
OPTICAL aids at the same place to complementary work. That is the best place for
us to utilize the observation at that place and that is relay a Golden
opportunity for Jaipur and users too.
((Delhi and Jaipur observatory – Vedh Shala are constructed such a way that it
can work locally @ that Longitude Latitude and also at a LOCAL time of that
place. So we do not need to find the place location of Longitude-Latitude while
working there nor the local time of that working place (Auto Sun Dial activity)
– nor we need toys like GPS nor sophisticated instruments. Not only that but
many of such astronomical activities – One like coming VENUS TRANSIT on 8 June
2004 also needs to be observed and activity to be worked in same environment
such as Local time and longitude Latitude, so many of planetarium places and
activity are just nothing in comparisons to such VITAL places as others has to
use their toys of GPS and telescopic compass and Leveling like a Theodolites).
So if we use this place on the day 8 June2004 for a Tenus Transit time activity
then instead of So called planetariums – as Venus transit is the phenomenon of
the place of JANTAR MANTAR and not Planeterium activity. – people will realize
the importance of such a place who even Astronomy lovers and planetarium
authority - who forgot that place and its importance.))
--- In VenusTransit@yahoogroups.com, "Dr.N.Rathnasree" <rathnasree63@y...>
wrote:
> literature available and then studied the instruments to find out the best
methods of estimating the shadow positions.
> For instance, Bhudia ji - you have used the photographs uploaded at our site
> and marked the correct positions of observing as - standing on the lower
> floor - but, I need to know that from someone who has made quantitative
> observations - did you, or do you know of someone who has observed that way
> at Ram Yantra and obtained accurate results? We find that estimating the
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From: KutchScience
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: I Was Ss HAPPY WITH your activity@JANTARMANTAR
http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/fsguestbook.html
Dear all Science and Astronomy friends, Rathnashree and staffs,
I am sorry to write this again, I think some thing has gone wrong, we need not
to do a physical exercise there as to use the muscle power in Gym, but more
mental power with care, As one should take care for own health and eye, their
concern is right, as we take care of our optics, this our Optical instrument
should be handled with care.
I Was Ss HAPPY WITH your activity@JANTARMANTAR
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VenusTransit/message/725 Though I criticised some
of your activity.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VenusTransit/message534 and suggested other
messages, my intention was to drive all to JANTAR MANTAR to do all this with
guidance of many like you.
But our Historian team@delhi and archaeological team strongly opposed the way it
was handled roughly, and when presented your photographs, I would like to give
you suggestion that if you need any assistance/help please do not hesitate to
contact us. we will be happy to help you as a part of science, Astronomy,
archaeology and History. At the moment we suggest if you do not mind please
remove those pictures as it is very much misleading to others about the use of
the place, where all have climbed above RamYantra including you.
(I read following comments, and feel so sorry that all markings will be lost
soon if used this way. we will loose all such which we are preserving since
centuries.http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/fsguestbook.html We should write to
ASI to use the place with a due care, and Planetarium staff should get training
before they go there. - I Agree with following comments too.- By a historian).
(Oh GOD, ye aapne kya kiya ji?
http://rathnasree.htmlplanet.com/observations_from_the_ram_yantra.htm
Hamne aapki Photo to dekhi, Photo Lagati to hai bahot achhi, Magar aapko pata
nahi aapne Jantar mantar ka kitna rough usage kiya? ASI Bahot paresaan ho jayegi
ki aapko un jagaha ka thikse Istemaal nahi kiya, aapko jo readings lene the wo
aap sabko uske upar chadhane ki avashyakta nahi thi. magar aapko Niche raheke
Ground se hi ye sab karna chahiye. ye hamari national sampati hai usko thikse
samhalke rakho ji. Doosari baar aapko iska dhyan rahe ji, by an Archaeology
LOVER).
Astronomy-spherical Smart, William M. Text-Book on Spherical Astronomy
522.7 S Cambridge: University Press 1931
I should thank you all to encourage and guide all those are participating in
this field,
Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of INDIA.
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Dear all Science and Astronomy friends, Rathnashree and staffs,
I M SO HAPPY WITH your activity @ JANTAR MANTAR Though I criticised some of your
activity. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VenusTransit/message534 and suggested
other messages, my intention was to drive all to JANTAR MANTAR to do all this
with guidence of many like you.
I WROTE ALL THESE JUST for That : =
(TO SIMLYFY MORE and Easy work, Let One OR BOTH be of the "N" OR "S" be Either
Delhi Jantar Mantar or JAIPUR - JANTAR MANTAR. We are very rich in our Astronomy
engineering - particularly JAIPUR is the Richest in that sense. Jaipur has very
good working observatory (VEDH SHALA) with guiding facility.
According to an expert guide (Hanumant Singh - also expert in astronomical
calculations)- that ancient observatory place can measure 1/6 of the second in
time and that is equal to 0' 2.5" size of the angle of the sky observation
accuracy. And that all works local timing and longitude - latitude of the place.
Only the persons required to work for it.
We should utilize that place with aided observation with Venus transit of 8 June
2004. TEAM A - working with Local observatory guides and Team B working with
OPTICAL aids at the same place to complementary work. That is the best place for
us to utilize the observation at that place and that is relay a Golden
opportunity for Jaipur and users too.
(Delhi and Jaipur observatory – Vedh Shala are constructed such a way that it
can work locally @ that Longitude Latitude and also at a LOCAL time of that
place. So we do not need to find the place location of Longitude-Latitude while
working there nor the local time of that working place (Auto Sun Dial activity)
– nor we need toys like GPS nor sophisticated instruments. Not only that but
many of such astronomical activities – One like coming VENUS TRANSIT on 8 June
2004 also needs to be observed and activity to be worked in same environment
such as Local time and longitude Latitude, so many of planetarium places and
activity are just nothing in comparisons to such VITAL places as others has to
use their toys of GPS and telescopic compass and Leveling like a Theodolites).
So if we use this place on the day 8 June2004 for a Tenus Transit time activity
then instead of So called planetariums – as Venus transit is the phenomenon of
the place of JANTAR MANTAR and not Planeterium activity. – people will realize
the importance of such a place who even Astronomy lovers and planetarium
authority - who forgot that place and its importance.
Astronomy-spherical Smart, William M. Text-Book on Spherical Astronomy 522.7 S
Cambridge: University Press 1931
Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of INDIA.
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
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Dear Science and Astronomy friends, Vidur, Rathnaji, Dr. Anasji, Dr. Raghavan,
Thank you for comments and considerations, I do understand your concerns for
technical errors made in practical experimented by Vidur. Though there was a
technical error by Vidur to measure elongation, as he did not keep in mind to
check the (N=>S) line artificial horizon, and relied on that assumption. it may
be 5-6 degree out of line and makes a lot difference. also he should take
consideration of Latitude and position of SUN - about 2 degree north of equator
at that time. and my point to encourage him was that - My long experience of
study of - Astronomical engineering architecture and Temples of SUN and its
applications, I realised that what he was going to do was Principally correct,
and on that bases of Astronomical engineering architecture - all JANTAR MANTAR
are based and constructed and RAMYANTRA does work on same principal. Though he
should try again correctly again as some ones calculation (~43 degrees) was
incorrect and misleading.
More over for correction by spherical astronomical calculations , he need to do
a lot. Such and important books are now disappeared from the course work of
science - though some of translated old copies by UNIVERSITY GRANTH NIRMAN
BOARDS are available some where but now difficult to get because of copy right
laws. but some do hold photocopies over there. One of such good book is here
below.
Astronomy-spherical Smart, William M. Text-Book on Spherical Astronomy
522.7 S Cambridge: University Press 1931
thank for your reply, I should thank you all to encourage and guide all those
are participating in this field,
Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of INDIA.
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
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Dear Patelji
You have given very useful information about how little the the
elongation of venus has varied in the past several days. Any quantity
that passes through a maximum or minimum will always chage slowly
close to that maximum or minumum.
Vidurji has made a careful time measurement of the difference between
the setting times of the sun and venus. He has reported for March 27,
a time difference of 3h and 36m and 30s giving an equivalent angle of
~54 degrees. THIS HOW EVER is not the elongation as he had
originally assumed, not even the difference in RA of Venus and sun
(~43 degrees). Yet it was a very accurate measuremnt because he set
up his experiment very carefully! The elongation calculation itself
involved assuming the azimuths today. By tomorrow he will be able to
measure that as wellhopefully.
So by doing this experiment he has really understood nature of
projection effects. Nature works in far more interesting ways than
we initially assume. Vidurji, by reporting it in this forum has made
many more become aware of this which is the essence of a discussion
group.I hope you and your active group will also do this as you may
have clear horizons and report it.Unfortunately I donot have access
to clear horizons.
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Dear science and astronomy friends,
Dear VIDUR and other fellows taking measurements, do not rely on comments of
wrong readings, experimental results may give minute errors not the grave
errors. carry on and GOOD LUCK.
http://f6.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/IKJmQH3EcgCRn-mjQES87YE-WUdMGFKWEobLSbAcg2bNzGS_sxi\
Q1f0LlbA8d6uP8SDAWxC0eqsj8zK0M8UBrw/VENUS%20Elongation.doc
Do not be disheartened, Last week venus elongation was 45.8 degree and Week
before that was 45.4 degree. and today nearly 46 degree. so is not so much of
difference as we thought of 3 degrees. and at the extreme end of the maximum
elongation daily change is nearly >0.1 degree. I wish make sure of such a vast
difference may be an error. wish every one make recheck of data. Venus was
nearly 45 since more than 2-3 weeks.
(sun and Venus for your date of observation . It is ~ 43 degrees compared to the
~ 54 dgrees you have measured.This should give you a feel for the method.)
--- In VenusTransit@yahoogroups.com, "ancientastronomer2004"
<ancientastronomer2004@y...> wrote:
> Vidurji
> I have just checked the difference in the Right Ascension( projected
> longitudes in the sky ) of sun and Venus for your date of
> observation . It is ~ 43 degrees compared to the ~ 54 dgrees you have
> measured.This should give you a feel for the method.
>
> AnAs
>
>
> --- In VenusTransit@yahoogroups.com, "vidur_itm" <vidur_itm@y...>
> wrote:
> > No,imagine if you were to be in earth's position & standing on the
> > ecliptic plane & then look at venus, the elevation would be the
> > altitude angle youd' get looking at venus,
> > ....
> >
> >
> > --- In VenusTransit@yahoogroups.com, "ancientastronomer2004"
> > <ancientastronomer2004@y...> wrote:
> > > By elevation of venus above ecliptic plane do you mean the tilt
> of
> > > the orbital plane of venus to the ecliptic plane?
> > > AnAs
> > >
> > > --- In VenusTransit@yahoogroups.com, "vidur_itm" <vidur_itm@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > However I have one question
> > > >
> > > > Would the difference of azimuth angles of venus-set & sunset
> give
> > > us
> > > > the elevation of venus above the ecliptic plane as seen from
> the
> > > > earth?
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