From: HPatel63 kutchscience To: astronomyclubindia
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:14 PM
Subject: BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon Events for Tuesday 07
Dec 2004 10:39


10:37 UT = 16:07 IST?
Events for Tuesday 07 Dec 2004

01:54 Moon rises
02:20 Jupiter rises

Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon

Date (UT)           Separation   Dist (AU)  Dec       El
---------           ----------               ---------      ---       --
2004 Dec 07   10:39           0° 20' 37"  5.8544     -04° 30'  61.4°

13:36  Moon sets
13:37 Jupiter sets

BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon

Date (UT)           Separation   Dist (AU)  Dec       El
---------           ----------   ---------  ---       --
2004 Dec 07 (10:39 UT = 16:09 IST)   0° 20' 37"  5.8544     -04° 30'  61.4°

Events for Saturday 04 Dec 2004

03:00 Jupiter rises
05:13 Venus rises
05:19 Mars rises
06:56 Start of civil twilight
07:21 Sun rises
08:23 Mercury rises
10:36 Saturn sets
12:56 Moon sets
14:48 Jupiter sets
16:28 Mars sets
16:28 Venus sets
BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon 2004 Dec 07 (10:39 UT = 16:09
IST for 5 hours but  MOON AND JUPITER will not rise during this time. So
conjuction time fall in DAY TIME in INDIA but you may see planets in deam day
light - or by telescope

18:09 Sun sets
18:33 End of civil twilight
18:59 Mercury sets
19:01 End of nautical twilight
19:29 End of astronomical twilight
21:15 Saturn rises
So conjuction time fall in DAY TIME in INDIA but you may see planets in deam day
light - or by telescope

Hope u read This but those timings are for USA and by that time INDIA WIll have
a day

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/29nov_moonjupiter.htm?friend

Lunar Occultation of Jupiter: Dec. 7, 2004 for USA but those timings are for USA
and by that time INDIA WIll have a day
City Jupiter disappears Jupiter reappears Altitude of the Moon
Atlanta, GA 3:54:59 EST  4:52:39 EST 16o to 27o
Chicago, IL  2:50:00 CST  3:54:10 CST 10o to 21o
Dallas, TX 2:56:18 CST  3:37:06 CST 6o to 14o
Miami, FL  4:14:59 EST  4:45:35 EST 26o to 32o
New Orleans, LA 3:02:39 CST  3:38:04 CST 14o to 21o
New York, NY 3:56:23 EST 5:05:51 EST 21o to 32o
San Juan, PR 5:37:20 AST 6:14:33 AST 45o to 53o
St. Louis, MO 2:48:49 CST  3:50:35 CST 9o to 20o
Toronto, ON  3:53:57 EST 5:00:21 EST 16o to 26o
Washington, DC  3:54:29 EST 5:03:17 EST 19o to 31o

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Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
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Dear Science and Astronomy friends,

What ever shown for the mon landing eveidence is not always the truth, it was
just shown what they wished to show us. SO IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY CONCLUSIVE /
ones belief and if it was shown the right things then we can discuss that, was
that wrong or right , there are some discussions with Patrick Moor on SKY @
NIGHT discussions and can be watched achieves on line.

BUT it definitely a lessons to one who blindly JUST NAGS to every one follows
blindly to NASA  - and copy what they say and do not utilise their own. Why they
try to MOON landing again and again very soon?

Science Group Of INDIA.
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
kutchscience@..., kutchscience@...,
http://uk.geocities.com/wildlifeofkutch/

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Giving HIV-positive children a cheap antibiotic could nearly halve the death
rate, research showsRead Good results : Antibiotic halves HIV/Aids deaths
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4021887.stm

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http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
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From: kutchscience
To: kutchsciencefoundation ;  scienceclubofindia ; Ashapura ; jairam oza ;
jyotsana ; jkrishna ; Triloki Pandey ; mgthakkar
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:48 PM
Subject: 'Original' great ape discovered'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4014351.stm

Dear editorials, Science and Geologist friends,

Many doubts were raised when ETV and Bombay SAMACHAR broadcasted the following
news, with doubt that the PURVA - Aadi MANAV ancestor was not existing at that
time but now the skeleton evidence came out today that the ancestor missing link
was there at that time before (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago) between 11 and
16 million years ago. The partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old "missing
link" was found by palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in
Spain.

That time matches with the Rameshwarm bridge and RAMAVATAR and Koteshwar -
RAVANa History (Tretauga), means Formation of MONKEY and Apes army formation by
DEVAs. that will rule out all the doubts raised for the PURVA - Aadi MANAV.

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:29 AM
Subject: The print is about 17 inches long and does look like a normal human
footprint.


GUJARATI http://www.bombaysamachar.com/20040814/desh04.htm  DETAILS ARE in News
Prints
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kutchScience/message/123
Some Geologist do disagree with the human footprints in Older layers but they
need to understand the later formations, on the layer of old fossilated layers
which are indistiguisable from the newly formed layers at the same place. (read
below)

Hominid Foot prints found in older layers may have been formed later in the
geological process but the study of Photomicrographs and infrared photography is
required so that to eliminate that there were no signs of carving or artificial
markings in or around the prints. A study of microscopic count of sand grains is
ralso required so indicating that the material within the prints had been
impacted, and created as the result of a force pressing down on the firmament
while it was soft. These facts show that the prints were made by the natural
result of pressure from the human foot, and in no way could have been duplicated
by carving. The rock in which the prints were discovered was estimated to be 100
million years old. In recent years, the prints may have been stolen by "thieves
and vandals."
so POP moulds has been prepared and saved, also a portion has been damaged while
removing POP moulds in parts from the print fossile. Many geologist did visited
the place secretely when no other one was there!

Distictive features of the Hominid foot prints.
1) Impresion of distinctive head of First metatarsal of right foot with very
wel-marked all toes.
2) Impresion of distinctive lost planter arch suggesting flat footed heavy
weight,
3) wel proportionate size (wide- long ) and toes impressions
4) many prints are worn out and some of diff sizes and different directions too
5) welmarked foot print size 43Cm - can suggest Body height of about 9 feet
jiant's HOMINID foot print.

Those who do not have sufficient knowledge, do disagree with views,  Many doubts
that this is not called the fossil.  and many say that layers are too old and
human was not there. but is the Human evolution time scale is adaquate? Man made
structures under sea in the Rameshwaram to shriLanka do stand in favour of the
Human activity long before, if that was RAMA time was RAVAN there and was
history of KOTESHWAR formation correct. then human evolution and Darvin may be
INCORRECT or just a guess and Human evolution history should be written in
correct way and order as western world is unaware of these VEDIC science and so
predict wrong way.

Phase Two Fossils: Burroughs Conjecture
The most cogent explanation of anomalous fossil footprints is perhaps offered by
Dr. William Greely Burroughs, of Berea College in Kentucky. Dr. Burroughs
conjecture is that a depression  in fossil-bearing rock may, long after the
original fossils have been formed, be filled with a sediment that in its turn
may also become the medium in which the impression of a footprint or the body of
a creature is fossilized. When this second period of fossilization is complete
the newly formed rock may be indistinguishable from the older formation, and the
new fossils may appear to have formed at the same time as those which are much
older. Thus, several fossilization processes may wind up looking like a
footprint made at the same time. This is undoubtebly the case in many instances,
but the theory is lacking in several respects. Firstly, fossilized human
footprints have been found deep within rocks that show no evidence of
discontinuous formation, not just at the junction of sedimentary layers.
Secondly, out of place fossils are often inconsistent not only with the ages of
associated fossils but also with the rock strata and the age conventionally
ascribed to them.

A large stone bearing the perfect imprint of a human foot 14 1/2 inches long was
shown to members of the Ohio State Academy of science in 1896. The stone slab
had been dug from the ground in a hill four miles north of Parkersburg, West
Virginia some 20 years earlier.


The American Anthropologist, February 1896, p.66

'Original' great ape discovered :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4014351.stm

Scientists have unearthed remains of a primate that could have been ancestral
not only to humans but to all great apes, including chimps and gorillas. The
partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old "missing link" was found by
palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in Spain. Details of the
sensational discovery appear in Science magazine. The new specimen was probably
male, a fruit-eater and was slightly smaller than a chimpanzee, researchers say.


       The fossil has been described as a "missing link"  It's very impressive
because of its completeness



Palaeontologists were just getting started at the dig when a bulldozer churned
up a tooth. Further investigation yielded one of the most complete ape skeletons
known from the Miocene Epoch (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago). Salvador
Moyą-Solą of the Miquel Crusafont Institute of Palaeontology in Barcelona and
colleagues subsequently found parts of the skull, ribcage, spine, hands and
feet, along with other bones. They have assigned it to an entirely new family
and species: Pierolapithecus catalaunicus.

Monkey business

Great apes are thought - on the basis of genetic and other evidence - to have
separated from another primate group known as the lesser apes some time between
11 and 16 million years ago (The lesser apes include gibbons and siamang). It is
fascinating, therefore, for a specimen like Pierolapithecus to turn up right in
this window.

Scientists think the creature lived after the lesser apes went their own
evolutionary way, but before the great apes began their own diversification into
different forms such as orang-utans, gorillas, chimps and, of course, humans.
"Pierolapithecus probably is, or is very close to, the last common ancestor of
great apes and humans," said Professor Moyą-Solą.


The new ape's ribcage, lower spine and wrist display signs of specialised
climbing abilities that link it with modern great apes, say the researchers.
The overall orthograde - or upright - body design of this animal and modern-day
great apes is thought to be an adaptation to vertical climbing and suspending
the body from branches. The Miocene ape fossil record is patchy; so finding such
a complete fossil from this time period is unprecedented. "It's very impressive
because of its completeness," David Begun, professor of palaeoanthropology at
the University of Toronto, Canada, told the BBC News website. "I think the
authors are right that it fills a gap between the first apes to arrive in Europe
and the fossil apes that more closely resemble those living today."

Planet of the apes

Other scientists working on fossil apes were delighted by the discovery. But not
all were convinced by the conclusions drawn by the Spanish researchers.
Professor Begun considers it unlikely that Pierolapithecus was ancestral to
orang-utans. "I haven't seen the original fossils. But there are four or five
important features of the face, in particular, that seem to be closer to African
apes," he explained. "To me the possibility exists that it is already on the
evolutionary line to African apes and humans."


Professor David Pilbeam, director of the Peadbody Museum in Cambridge, US, was
even more sceptical about the relationship of Pierolapithecus to modern great
apes: "To me it's a very long stretch to link this to any of the living apes,"
he told the BBC News website. "I think it's unlikely that you would find
relatives of the apes that live today in equatorial Africa and Asia up in
Europe. "But it's interesting in that it appears to show some adaptations
towards having a trunk that's upright because it's suspending itself [from
branches]. "It also has some features that show quadrupedal (four-legged)
behaviour. Not quadrupedal in the way chimps or gorillas are, but more in the
way that monkeys are - putting their fingers down flat," he explained. During
the Miocene, Earth really was the planet of the apes. As many as 100 different
ape species roamed the Old World, from France to China in Eurasia and from Kenya
to Namibia in Africa.


By Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of INDIA.
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
kutchscience@..., kutchscience@...,
http://uk.geocities.com/wildlifeofkutch/


http://www.geocities.com/kutchscience
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http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/bhuj

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From: kutchscience

Dear editorials, Science and Geologist friends,

Many doubts were raised when ETV and Bombay SAMACHAR broadcasted the following
news, with doubt that the PURVA - Aadi MANAV ancestor was not existing at that
time but now the skeleton evidence came out today that the ancestor missing link
was there at that time before (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago) between 11 and
16 million years ago. The partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old "missing
link" was found by palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in
Spain.

That time matches with the Rameshwarm bridge and RAMAVATAR and Koteshwar -
RAVANa History (Tretauga), means Formation of MONKEY and Apes army formation by
DEVAs. that will rule out all the doubts raised for the PURVA - Aadi MANAV.

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:29 AM
Subject: The print is about 17 inches long and does look like a normal human
footprint.


GUJARATI http://www.bombaysamachar.com/20040814/desh04.htm  DETAILS ARE in News
Prints
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kutchScience/message/123
Some Geologist do disagree with the human footprints in Older layers but they
need to understand the later formations, on the layer of old fossilated layers
which are indistiguisable from the newly formed layers at the same place. (read
below)

Hominid Foot prints found in older layers may have been formed later in the
geological process but the study of Photomicrographs and infrared photography is
required so that to eliminate that there were no signs of carving or artificial
markings in or around the prints. A study of microscopic count of sand grains is
ralso required so indicating that the material within the prints had been
impacted, and created as the result of a force pressing down on the firmament
while it was soft. These facts show that the prints were made by the natural
result of pressure from the human foot, and in no way could have been duplicated
by carving. The rock in which the prints were discovered was estimated to be 100
million years old. In recent years, the prints may have been stolen by "thieves
and vandals."
so POP moulds has been prepared and saved, also a portion has been damaged while
removing POP moulds in parts from the print fossile. Many geologist did visited
the place secretely when no other one was there!

Distictive features of the Hominid foot prints.
1) Impresion of distinctive head of First metatarsal of right foot with very
wel-marked all toes.
2) Impresion of distinctive lost planter arch suggesting flat footed heavy
weight,
3) wel proportionate size (wide- long ) and toes impressions
4) many prints are worn out and some of diff sizes and different directions too
5) welmarked foot print size 43Cm - can suggest Body height of about 9 feet
jiant's HOMINID foot print.

Those who do not have sufficient knowledge, do disagree with views,  Many doubts
that this is not called the fossil.  and many say that layers are too old and
human was not there. but is the Human evolution time scale is adaquate? Man made
structures under sea in the Rameshwaram to shriLanka do stand in favour of the
Human activity long before, if that was RAMA time was RAVAN there and was
history of KOTESHWAR formation correct. then human evolution and Darvin may be
INCORRECT or just a guess and Human evolution history should be written in
correct way and order as western world is unaware of these VEDIC science and so
predict wrong way.

Phase Two Fossils: Burroughs Conjecture
The most cogent explanation of anomalous fossil footprints is perhaps offered by
Dr. William Greely Burroughs, of Berea College in Kentucky. Dr. Burroughs
conjecture is that a depression  in fossil-bearing rock may, long after the
original fossils have been formed, be filled with a sediment that in its turn
may also become the medium in which the impression of a footprint or the body of
a creature is fossilized. When this second period of fossilization is complete
the newly formed rock may be indistinguishable from the older formation, and the
new fossils may appear to have formed at the same time as those which are much
older. Thus, several fossilization processes may wind up looking like a
footprint made at the same time. This is undoubtebly the case in many instances,
but the theory is lacking in several respects. Firstly, fossilized human
footprints have been found deep within rocks that show no evidence of
discontinuous formation, not just at the junction of sedimentary layers.
Secondly, out of place fossils are often inconsistent not only with the ages of
associated fossils but also with the rock strata and the age conventionally
ascribed to them.

A large stone bearing the perfect imprint of a human foot 14 1/2 inches long was
shown to members of the Ohio State Academy of science in 1896. The stone slab
had been dug from the ground in a hill four miles north of Parkersburg, West
Virginia some 20 years earlier.


The American Anthropologist, February 1896, p.66

'Original' great ape discovered :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4014351.stm

Scientists have unearthed remains of a primate that could have been ancestral
not only to humans but to all great apes, including chimps and gorillas. The
partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old "missing link" was found by
palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in Spain. Details of the
sensational discovery appear in Science magazine. The new specimen was probably
male, a fruit-eater and was slightly smaller than a chimpanzee, researchers say.


       The fossil has been described as a "missing link"  It's very impressive
because of its completeness



Palaeontologists were just getting started at the dig when a bulldozer churned
up a tooth. Further investigation yielded one of the most complete ape skeletons
known from the Miocene Epoch (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago). Salvador
Moyą-Solą of the Miquel Crusafont Institute of Palaeontology in Barcelona and
colleagues subsequently found parts of the skull, ribcage, spine, hands and
feet, along with other bones. They have assigned it to an entirely new family
and species: Pierolapithecus catalaunicus.

Monkey business

Great apes are thought - on the basis of genetic and other evidence - to have
separated from another primate group known as the lesser apes some time between
11 and 16 million years ago (The lesser apes include gibbons and siamang). It is
fascinating, therefore, for a specimen like Pierolapithecus to turn up right in
this window.

Scientists think the creature lived after the lesser apes went their own
evolutionary way, but before the great apes began their own diversification into
different forms such as orang-utans, gorillas, chimps and, of course, humans.
"Pierolapithecus probably is, or is very close to, the last common ancestor of
great apes and humans," said Professor Moyą-Solą.


The new ape's ribcage, lower spine and wrist display signs of specialised
climbing abilities that link it with modern great apes, say the researchers.
The overall orthograde - or upright - body design of this animal and modern-day
great apes is thought to be an adaptation to vertical climbing and suspending
the body from branches. The Miocene ape fossil record is patchy; so finding such
a complete fossil from this time period is unprecedented. "It's very impressive
because of its completeness," David Begun, professor of palaeoanthropology at
the University of Toronto, Canada, told the BBC News website. "I think the
authors are right that it fills a gap between the first apes to arrive in Europe
and the fossil apes that more closely resemble those living today."

Planet of the apes

Other scientists working on fossil apes were delighted by the discovery. But not
all were convinced by the conclusions drawn by the Spanish researchers.
Professor Begun considers it unlikely that Pierolapithecus was ancestral to
orang-utans. "I haven't seen the original fossils. But there are four or five
important features of the face, in particular, that seem to be closer to African
apes," he explained. "To me the possibility exists that it is already on the
evolutionary line to African apes and humans."


Professor David Pilbeam, director of the Peadbody Museum in Cambridge, US, was
even more sceptical about the relationship of Pierolapithecus to modern great
apes: "To me it's a very long stretch to link this to any of the living apes,"
he told the BBC News website. "I think it's unlikely that you would find
relatives of the apes that live today in equatorial Africa and Asia up in
Europe. "But it's interesting in that it appears to show some adaptations
towards having a trunk that's upright because it's suspending itself [from
branches]. "It also has some features that show quadrupedal (four-legged)
behaviour. Not quadrupedal in the way chimps or gorillas are, but more in the
way that monkeys are - putting their fingers down flat," he explained. During
the Miocene, Earth really was the planet of the apes. As many as 100 different
ape species roamed the Old World, from France to China in Eurasia and from Kenya
to Namibia in Africa.


By Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of INDIA.
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
kutchscience@..., kutchscience@...,
http://uk.geocities.com/wildlifeofkutch/


http://www.geocities.com/kutchscience
http://profiles.yahoo.com/kutchscience2000
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubofindia
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/kutchscience
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/kachchh
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/bhuj

Do visit our ABOVE Clubs/Groups of Science club of India, Science
Group of India.



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'Original' great ape discovered :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4014351.stm

Scientists have unearthed remains of a primate that could have been ancestral
not only to humans but to all great apes, including chimps and gorillas. The
partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old "missing link" was found by
palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in Spain. Details of the
sensational discovery appear in Science magazine. The new specimen was probably
male, a fruit-eater and was slightly smaller than a chimpanzee, researchers say.


       The fossil has been described as a "missing link"  It's very impressive
because of its completeness


Palaeontologists were just getting started at the dig when a bulldozer churned
up a tooth. Further investigation yielded one of the most complete ape skeletons
known from the Miocene Epoch (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago). Salvador
Moyą-Solą of the Miquel Crusafont Institute of Palaeontology in Barcelona and
colleagues subsequently found parts of the skull, ribcage, spine, hands and
feet, along with other bones. They have assigned it to an entirely new family
and species: Pierolapithecus catalaunicus.

Monkey business

Great apes are thought - on the basis of genetic and other evidence - to have
separated from another primate group known as the lesser apes some time between
11 and 16 million years ago (The lesser apes include gibbons and siamang). It is
fascinating, therefore, for a specimen like Pierolapithecus to turn up right in
this window.

Scientists think the creature lived after the lesser apes went their own
evolutionary way, but before the great apes began their own diversification into
different forms such as orang-utans, gorillas, chimps and, of course, humans.
"Pierolapithecus probably is, or is very close to, the last common ancestor of
great apes and humans," said Professor Moyą-Solą.


The new ape's ribcage, lower spine and wrist display signs of specialised
climbing abilities that link it with modern great apes, say the researchers.
The overall orthograde - or upright - body design of this animal and modern-day
great apes is thought to be an adaptation to vertical climbing and suspending
the body from branches. The Miocene ape fossil record is patchy; so finding such
a complete fossil from this time period is unprecedented. "It's very impressive
because of its completeness," David Begun, professor of palaeoanthropology at
the University of Toronto, Canada, told the BBC News website. "I think the
authors are right that it fills a gap between the first apes to arrive in Europe
and the fossil apes that more closely resemble those living today."

Planet of the apes

Other scientists working on fossil apes were delighted by the discovery. But not
all were convinced by the conclusions drawn by the Spanish researchers.
Professor Begun considers it unlikely that Pierolapithecus was ancestral to
orang-utans. "I haven't seen the original fossils. But there are four or five
important features of the face, in particular, that seem to be closer to African
apes," he explained. "To me the possibility exists that it is already on the
evolutionary line to African apes and humans."


Professor David Pilbeam, director of the Peadbody Museum in Cambridge, US, was
even more sceptical about the relationship of Pierolapithecus to modern great
apes: "To me it's a very long stretch to link this to any of the living apes,"
he told the BBC News website. "I think it's unlikely that you would find
relatives of the apes that live today in equatorial Africa and Asia up in
Europe. "But it's interesting in that it appears to show some adaptations
towards having a trunk that's upright because it's suspending itself [from
branches]. "It also has some features that show quadrupedal (four-legged)
behaviour. Not quadrupedal in the way chimps or gorillas are, but more in the
way that monkeys are - putting their fingers down flat," he explained. During
the Miocene, Earth really was the planet of the apes. As many as 100 different
ape species roamed the Old World, from France to China in Eurasia and from Kenya
to Namibia in Africa.



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Heavy computer use could be linked to glaucoma,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4008185.stm especially among those who are
short-sighted, fear researchers. Radiation dose never been friendly to us ! Do
they? it was just kept away from discloser.

Glaucoma is caused by increased fluid pressure within the eye compressing the
nerves at the back, which can lead to blindness if not treated. The findings,
published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, are based on
10,000 Japanese workers. The authors and experts recommend more research,
particularly because being short-sighted is a known glaucoma risk.

Eye strain

Dr Masayuki Tatemichi, from Toho University School of Medicine, and his
colleagues tested the sight of workers in four different Japanese companies,
employing over 5,000 people each. The employees were asked to complete
questionnaires about their computer use, both at home and at work, and any
history of eye disease. The researchers then divided the employees according to
how much they used a computer, labelling them light, medium or heavy users.
Computer use was categorised in four blocks of five years, ranging from less
than five years to more than 20 years, as well as four blocks of the average
amount of time spent at the screen per session, ranging from less than one hour
to more than eight hours at a time.

Those classified as heavy users tended to be men and younger. Overall, 522
(5.1%) of the employees were found to have visual field abnormalities. Workers
who were classified as heavy computer users were more likely to be long-sighted
(hypermetropia) or short-sighted (myopia). Around a third (165) of these workers
had suspected glaucoma. Upon further analysis, heavy computer use, suspected
glaucoma and short-sightedness appeared to be interlinked. The authors do not
know why this might be, but believe it could be that short-sighted people are
more susceptible to computer use-related eye strain. Glaucoma is the most
important cause of irreversible blindness worldwide, affecting more than 500,000
people in the UK alone. Compounded by the fact that more and more people are
using computers, the researchers said: "In the next decade, therefore, it might
be important for public health professionals to show more concern about myopia
and visual field abnormalities in heavy computer users."

More research

But they said their findings needed confirming because the study included mainly
men and the refractive errors (which indicate how short- or long-sighted someone
is) were not measured officially. Nick Astbury, president of the Royal College
of Ophthalmologists, pointed out that Japanese populations have a high
prevalence of myopia anyway and that short-sightedness is a known risk factor
for glaucoma.  "I doubt whether staring at computers makes any difference," he
said. David Wright, chief executive of the International Glaucoma Association,
said: "There may be a risk in heavy use of computer equipment.

"It would be wise for anyone involved in such heavy usage to ensure that they
receive regular comprehensive eye examinations in order to detect the earliest
possible signs of the development of glaucoma when treatment is most effective."
He said three eye tests should be carried out to check for glaucoma:
ophthalmoscopy (a visual examination of the optic disc), tonometry (a
measurement of pressure in the eye) and perimetry (which checks for visual field
anomalies). "It will be important to follow this study with further research in
other ethnic populations in order to establish the complete validity of this
initial indication of a potential problem and also to address the ethnic risk
factors should the evidence add to the Japanese report," he said.


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From: hpatel63 KutchScience   November 2005

         Wish you all A very happy Diwali and a very prosperous New year


   MY DEAR FRIENDS
   MAY THIS DEEPAWALI
ENLIGHTEN THE PATH YOU TREAD !!!!




WISH YOU ALL

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Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: Conjunction in longitude between Venus and Moon - BOMBAY First 4:37 AM
Last: 5:32


Conjunction in longitude between Venus and Moon



Date (UT)                  Dec       El
---------                   ----------   ---------   BOMBAY First 4:37 AM  Last:
5:32
  2004 Nov 10         -04° 09'  33.4°






Events for Wednesday 10 Nov 2004

04:11 Jupiter rises

04:30 Moon rises

04:33 Venus rises

05:37 Mars rises

07:01 Sun rises

08:35 Mercury rises

10:28 Venus transits the meridian

10:35 Moon transits the meridian

12:08 Saturn sets

16:05 Jupiter sets

16:24 Venus sets

16:34 Moon sets

17:05 Mars sets

18:07 Sun sets

19:13 Mercury sets

22:47 Saturn rises



Information about Moon for 10 Nov 2004 04:31:31

Local Information

Apparent topocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:

Declination: -4° 1' 9.4"

Constellation: Virgo

Altitude: 0° 0' 43"

Azimuth: 94° 7' 55"

Rise: 4h 30m 18s

Transit: 10h 34m 50s

Set: 16h 33m 51s

Star atlas chart numbers:

Herald-Bobroff Astroatlas, Chart C-47

Millennium Star Atlas, Charts 795-796 (Vol II)

Sky Atlas 2000.0, Chart 14

Uranometria 2000 Chart 239, Vol 1 and 2

Geocentric Information

Apparent geocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:

Right ascension: 12h 51m 17.821s

Declination: -3° 38' 22.97"

True distance: 377400.0 Km

Horizontal parallax: 3486.08"

Physical Information

Magnitude: -7.2

Phase: 0.089

Phase angle: 145.2°

Elongation: 34.7°

Diameter: 1900.20"

Light time: 0h 0m 1.3s

Mass: 7.3483e+022 kg (0.0123 x Earth)

Mean equatorial radius: 1734.4 km (0.2719 x Earth)

Maximum angular diameter: 1864.2"

Minimum geocentric distance: 0.00257 AU

Geometric flattening: 0

Sidereal rotation period: 27d 7h 43m 11s

Mean density: 3.34 g/cm^3

Geometric albedo: 0.12



Information about Venus for 10 Nov 2004 04:31:31

Local Information

Apparent topocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:

Declination: -4° 6' 15.0"

Constellation: Virgo

Altitude: -0° 53' 16"

Azimuth: 94° 5' 5"

Rise: 4h 32m 55s

Transit: 10h 28m 29s

Set: 16h 23m 41s

Star atlas chart numbers:

Herald-Bobroff Astroatlas, Chart C-47

Millennium Star Atlas, Charts 795-796 (Vol II)

Sky Atlas 2000.0, Chart 14

Uranometria 2000 Chart 239, Vol 1 and 2

Geocentric Information

Apparent geocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:

Right ascension: 12h 56m 8.194s

Declination: -4° 6' 12.35"

True distance: 1.2943246 AU (194 million km)

Horizontal parallax: 6.79"

Heliocentric Information

Ecliptic coordinates for the epoch of date:

Ecliptic longitude: 145° 6' 31.3"

Ecliptic latitude: +3° 9' 23.4"

Radius vector: 0.7185497 AU (107 million km)

Physical Information

Magnitude: -4.0

Phase: 0.826

Phase angle: 49.4°

Elongation: 33.4°

Diameter: 12.89"

Light time: 0h 10m 45.8s

Position angle of the bright limb: 115.4°

Mass: 4.8690e+024 kg (0.815 x Earth)

Mean equatorial radius: 6051.8 km (0.9488 x Earth)

Maximum angular diameter: 60.2"

Minimum geocentric distance: 0.277 AU

Geometric flattening: 0

Sidereal rotation period: 243d 0h 26m 56s (retrograde)

Mean density: 5.24 g/cm^3

Geometric albedo: 0.65





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Doubts over blood pressure drug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3981935.stm A
drug commonly prescribed to lower blood pressure is not be effective in reducing
cardiovascular deaths and heart attacks, research suggests.

Lancet 2004; 364: 1684-89  ( Atenolol in hypertension: is it a wise choice? )
http://www.thelancet.com/search/search.isa

Department of Public Health and Clinical Medicine, Umeå University Hospital, SE
901 85 Umeå, Sweden (B Carlberg MD, Prof L H Lindholm MD); and Department of
Nephrology, Sahlgrenska University Hospital, Göteborg, Sweden (O Samuelsson MD)

Correspondence to: Prof Lars H Lindholm LarsHLindholm@fammed. umu.se
       Summary




Background Atenolol is one of the most widely used ßblockers clinically, and has
often been used as a reference drug in randomised controlled trials of
hypertension. However, questions have been raised about atenolol as the best
reference drug for comparisons with other antihypertensives. Thus, our aim was
to systematically review the effect of atenolol on cardiovascular morbidity and
mortality in hypertensive patients.

Methods Reports were identified through searches of The Cochrane Library,
MEDLINE, relevant textbooks, and by personal communication with established
researchers in hypertension. Randomised controlled trials that assessed the
effect of atenolol on cardiovascular morbidity or mortality in patients with
primary hypertension were included.

Findings We identified four studies that compared atenolol with placebo or no
treatment, and five that compared atenolol with other antihypertensive drugs.
Despite major differences in blood pressure lowering, there were no outcome
differences between atenolol and placebo in the four studies, comprising 6825
patients, who were followed up for a mean of 4·6 years on all-cause mortality
(relative risk 1·01 [95% CI 0·89-1·15]), cardiovascular mortality (0·99
[0·83-1·18]), or myocardial infarction (0·99 [0·83-1·19]). The risk of stroke,
however, tended to be lower in the atenolol than in the placebo group (0·85
[0·72-1·01]). When atenolol was compared with other antihypertensives, there
were no major differences in blood pressure lowering between the treatment arms.
Our meta-analysis showed a significantly higher mortality (1·13 [1·02-1·25])
with atenolol treatment than with other active treatment, in the five studies
comprising 17671 patients who were followed up for a mean of 4·6 years.
Moreover, cardiovascular mortality also tended to be higher with atenolol
treatment than with other antihypertensive treatment. Stroke was also more
frequent with atenolol treatment.

Interpretation Our results cast doubts on atenolol as a suitable drug for
hypertensive patients. Moreover, they challenge the use of atenolol as a
reference drug in outcome trials in hypertension.

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From: hpatel63 kutchscience
Subject:  A meteor strike in Valsad ANY further NEWS for meteors?
To: scienceclubofindia ; kutchsciencefoundation ; kutchastronomersclub;
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Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 7:26 PM

Hi friends of Science and Astronomy,

ANY further NEWS for meteors?  Hope by now physical property test should have
been done by PRL. its LONG since last message on that.  What Was The  primary
test results for the selected meteors? Hope magnetic confirmation and specific
gravity results done before handing over to PRL to make sure. and part to be
sent to chemical analysis in elementary chemical lab.
thanks for your all support and good luck to you all.

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Dear friends of Science and environment,

Many fears are just hypothetical, as Melting Ice is a buffer and absorbs lot of
heat to buffer the increase of environmental temperature and also Arctic is
ocean and floating Icecaps - if those Melts sea level remain unchanged because
of malting that arctic icecaps. (Glass of FULL of Ice melts and never overflow).
As 3.5 km thick ice cap has melted of half of the thickness in last 70 years and
not overflow the Arctic , similarly will not happen in this century and Do not
worry LONDON will not be under water!!

Instead if Earth temperature goes down as in Global Ice theory - or as in ICE
age - may be after next 12-13 thousand years when earth axis tilt in opposite
direction will cool the earth such an extent that if SEA water freeze to
increase volume by 10% so as to push the flood water on the Earth's Land area in
the NORTH.

Arctic heads into warmer future @ 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3975805.stm

The Arctic is undergoing rapid and possibly irreversible change, according to a
new report prepared for the eight nations which rim the region. The Arctic
Climate Impact Assessment endorses recent warnings about melting ice, with
perhaps all ocean ice disappearing in summers by 2060-2100. The statement, to be
published next week, also highlights concerns about raised levels of ultraviolet
light. It says the coming years will challenge the region's ecosystems and
peoples.
The ACIA document recognises that the Arctic is warming twice as fast as the
rest of the planet. It records that permafrost is thawing, trees are moving
north and some species, such as polar bears, are having to adapt their ways to
survive the changing conditions.
Global impact

The report does not list simply the negatives that will come from a warmer
world. It also says agriculture may become easier in some areas, there should be
improved access to oil and gas deposits and new shipping lanes will open up. The
ACIA document is the work of about 250 scientists and six circumpolar indigenous
peoples' organisations and has taken four years to compile and has undergone a
rigorous peer-review process. It is perhaps the most detailed study ever of how
current warming trends are changing a single region of the Earth.


  What happens [in the Arctic] has important consequences for the rest of the
world :- Prof Terry Callaghan

It was commissioned by the Arctic Council, the intergovernmental forum for
countries with territories inside the region's 30 million square km: Canada,
Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Russia, Sweden and the US.
"The starting point for the assessment was the recognition that the Arctic was
vulnerable in many different ways to climate change, and also that the Arctic
played a fundamental role in regulating the Earth's climate," said Professor
Terry Callaghan, an Arctic ecologist who helped produce the assessment.
"What happens there is not just an isolated factor of local interest. What
happens there has important consequences for the rest of the world," the
researcher attached to the universities of Sheffield (UK) and Lund (Sweden) told
BBC News.
"There're vast stores of carbon in permafrost and in ocean sediments and if they
get warmer, they could significantly impact the rest of the world."
Model future

The report reviews current knowledge and considers "environmental, human health,
social, cultural and economic impacts and consequences, including policy
recommendations." Arctic sea ice has shrunk both in thickness and in extent.
Data collected by submarines shows there was about a 40% reduction in draught
between the 1960s and 1990s - by draught, researchers mean the ice that lies
between the surface of the ocean and the bottom of the ice pack. The melt seems
to have slowed somewhat in recent years and may slow further if a natural
climate phenomenon known as the Artic Oscillation switches its current phase and
prevents the drift of warmer waters into the region. Even so, says Professor
Peter Wadhams, an expert on Arctic sea ice, the trend will still be towards an
ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer months.

"The models give a spread of dates from about the 2060s and 2070s to 2100," the
polar ocean physicist from Cambridge University, UK, told BBC News. "There's
quite a big range of uncertainty but it should occur some time in the second
half of the century." He added: "In modelling, they're quite conservative; they
put in big error bars because they are concerned that there may be some new
physics that we don't know about." Ice reflects sunlight back into space. As it
disappears, the Earth will absorb more of the Sun's energy, so increasing the
rate of warming.

Carbon cuts

A warmer future will radically alter the ranges of the Arctic's animals and
plants. Currently, about 600 million birds are thought to breed annually in the
region. The Arctic's infrastructure will also have to be re-thought in some
instances. The foundations of some buildings will destabilise and vital winter
roads will become impassable as the permafrost melts. Campaign groups are
concerned the warnings in the report will be ignored by the Arctic Council
nations. The US, for example, has recently restated its opposition to the Kyoto
process to restrict emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2), the main human-produced
gas thought by many scientists to be warming the planet at an unnatural rate.
"The big melt has begun," said Nicola Saltman, climate change programme leader
at WWF.

"Life on Earth will change beyond recognition with the loss of the ice sheet at
the North Pole and higher sea levels threatening major global cities such as
London and other coastal communities. "This report shows that climate change is
happening now and highlights the urgent need for immediate action, starting with
the Arctic governments, who must reduce their CO2



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Sub: :- Pylons 'double child cancer risk' :-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3967073.stm
       we have been writing since long for the risk of Pylons 'double child
cancer risk' but many governments just keep their eyes closed or under the
presure of the energy producers. But at what cost? Now it has been confirmed
thta Pylons 'double child cancer risk'


             The study looked high-voltage cables near children's homes
       Children living under high-voltage power lines could run double the risk
of getting cancer, new research reportedly suggests.
       Those living within 100 metres of the cables are more likely to suffer
from leukaemia, the study indicates.

       The Childhood Cancer Research Group at Oxford University studied 70,000
children under 15 for the Department of Health report, half of whom had cancer.

       The seven-year study is reported in the Times and the Independent
newspapers.

       The research looked at the prevalence of high-voltage power cables near
children's homes.

       'Surprising' results

       Children born or living near the power lines were 1.7 times more likely to
contract leukaemia than those in the control group, the research found.

       Some studies have already shown an association between some types of
electromagnetic fields and increased childhood leukaemia.

       Research author Dr Gerald Draper said other research suggested power lines
might account for 20 to 30 of 500 cases of childhood leukaemia each year.

       But, he said, his work indicated a far smaller number of cases were
affected.

       The findings were "surprising" and prompted further research, he added.

       The Department of Health said it would not comment on the findings until
Dr Draper submitted his final report.



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From: hpatel63 kutchscience
Subject:  A meteor strike in Valsad
To: ; scienceclubofindia ; kutchsciencefoundation ; kutchastronomersclub ;
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Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:07 AM
Subject: Subject: A meteor strike in Valsad


Yes , very good enthusiasm for the meteors in Valsad, if there are not available
handy test for meteors at the moment, do not be dishearten, few of the tests are
handy and easy for primarily to sort out from ordinary stones.  (eg magnetic,
Specific gravity and chemical lab analysis of elements present and its
concentrations) if any doubt one can send small part of it to confirm - to the
Science lab in Natural history museum and science museum. That really nice some
of us locally are on the way to find out the more details and as there are
conflicting reports of size and also depth of crater.

How to identify Meteors? http://www.meteors.com/meteorite_identification_1.htm

Most meteorites tend to be VERY HEAVY for their size. This is because they
contain iron and other metals in varying amounts. They usually have a SMOOTH
SURFACE and are SOLID,  almost never porous like lava. ????? (this statement is
conflicting - see an authentic sites below and its samples and details)

Many says they are never porous like lava but smooth - but not necessary as out
GADHWARI - Bhuj sample is not smooth it falls in last category below

http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=76507&frm=ser&search=meteorite
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=76508&frm=ser&search=meteorite

Wish our member go there on the site and find out some more small parts
scattered there. They are heavy (higher specific gravity ) as those meteor fell
from the atmosphere - high temperature burns many elements but Iron and nickel
may remain and that may give those parts a property to stick with magnets. This
are on hand tests to sort those from ordinary stones and later can be analysed
for elements and further test for confirmation of meteor property. many melted
meteor parts may arrange iron elementals in the line with magnetic fields and
get very low magnetic signature at that time too. and may deflect a magnetic
compass needle a bit. but that also present in LAVA surrounding South Gujarat
mountains and Western Ghat (Sahyadri) Lava stones and

more on meteors SEE and there are conflicting info about meteor property - many
says they are smooth - but not necessary as out GADHWARI - Bhuj sample is not
smooth it falls in last category below
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/search.php?search=meteorite
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=76507&frm=ser&search=meteorite
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=76508&frm=ser&search=meteorite


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From: kutchscience Hope for a Vaccine against cervical cancer :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3964263.stm


             Smear tests can spot cancer
       A vaccine that prevents infections known to cause cervical cancer could be
available to women within three years, UK experts believe.
       By guarding against human papilloma virus, it could save thousands of
lives and may end the need for smears tests.

       The vaccine would be given to girls before they are sexually active.

       Trials have shown a jab can offer 100% protection against strains of HPV
linked to about 70% of cervical cancers.

       Protection

       Some forms of the HPV virus only cause genital warts, but others cause
cervical cancer.

       It is estimated up to half of the young women in Britain have been
infected with a high-risk strain of HPV by the time they are 30.

             The vaccine may even eventually mean the end of smear testing.

             Dr Anne Szarewski from Cancer Research UK

       'High risk' HPV types, strains 16, 18 and 31 and 33, have been found to be
present in close to 100% of all cervical cancers, according to the NHS Cancer
Screening Programmes.

       Since cervical cancer is the second most common cause of cancer death in
women worldwide, preventing HPV would save many lives.

       Both GlaxoSmithKline and Merck Sharp & Dohme have developed a vaccine
against HPV and are in a race to get their products approved.

       The two vaccines are being tested in thousands of women around the world,
including the UK.

       These will seek to confirm the vaccines' effectiveness and safely.

       Cancer Research UK's Dr Anne Szarewski, who is trialling GSK's vaccine in
the Margaret Pyke Centre in London, said experts hoped that a course of three
injections over six months could provide life-long immunity.

       She said: "We know that certain types of the HPV virus, which is sexually
transmitted, are the main cause of over 99 per cent of cervical cancer cases.

       "With any disease caused by a virus, the best way to stop it is to prevent
it with a vaccine.

       End to smears?

       "I do feel that the work we are doing on this vaccine is the most exciting
development in cervical cancer research in many years.

       "This research is promising and could result in almost completely
preventing cervical cancer.

             I strongly urge all women to continue to attend for regular cervical
screening.

             Dr Julietta Patnick, director of the NHS Cancer Screening Programmes

       "The vaccine may even eventually mean the end of smear testing.

       But she cautioned: "It is early days and the vaccine is still being
researched and will not be available for a few years."

       Under the national screening programme, women aged 25 to 64 are invited to
have a smear test every three to five years, depending on their age.

       Julietta Patnick, director of the programme, said: "The NHS Cervical
Screening Programme is alert to the trials of HPV vaccines for cervical
dysplasia and will monitor the results.

       "As the developers acknowledge, however, there is still much research to
be done before we can determine the potential role HPV vaccination may play in
preventing cervical cancer.

       "The NHS Cervical Screening Programme is highly successful, saving around
4,500 lives every year in England.

       "I strongly urge all women to continue to attend for regular cervical
screening."

       A spokesman from GlaxoSmithKline said the company planned to submit an
application to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in 2006
in the hope that its vaccine Cervarix could be made available in 2007.




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Dear Science and Medics friends,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3959381.stm Molecule offers Alzheimer's hope

       Molecule offers Alzheimer's hope


             The molecules recruit proteins to bulk up
       The development of a molecule which appears to stop a protein forming into
clumps could lead to new treatments for Alzheimer's disease, scientists say.
       The onset of the disease has been linked to plaques which form when
fragments of the protein, amyloid-beta, gather into clumps in the brain.

       The Howard Hughes Medical Institute and Stanford University researchers
say lab tests show the molecule stops this.

       They told the journal Science they hope to begin tests on animals next
year.

       Little progress

       Despite 30 years of research, scientists have made little progress in
developing drugs that inhibit interactions between proteins.

       This is, in part, because the drug molecules are many times smaller than
the proteins, so even if they can attach themselves to the larger molecules they
are too small to prevent other proteins binding elsewhere.


  We hope that our work will contribute to the development of therapeutic agents
that will eventually prevent Alzheimer's, or delay its onset.
Dr Isabella Graef


The latest study got round this problem by creating a molecule that was able to
attach itself to another protein found in the brain cells.
Thus the molecule was effectively able to increase its size 15-fold before
binding to the amyloid-beta protein fragments - greatly reducing the ability of
other fragments to gain a foothold.

As a result, the molecule proved effective at reducing protein clumping at
concentrations 100 times lower than other blocking agents that have been tested.

It also seemed to reduce the toxicity of the rogue protein to nerve cells.

Researcher Dr Isabella Graef told BBC News it was possible that the molecule
could be modified to attach itself to even larger 'chaperone' proteins, so that
its bulk would be increased 50-fold.

At present the work has only been carried out in the lab, but Dr Graef said the
team hoped animal tests would start in a year.

'Striking and original'

She said: "We hope that our work will contribute to the development of
therapeutic agents that will eventually prevent Alzheimer's, or delay its onset.

"What we have developed is a completely new way of designing drugs to inhibit
protein to protein interactions, not only in neurodegenerative diseases, but
also potentially in other diseases, such as HIV and cancer."

Rebecca Wood, chief executive of the Alzheimer's Research Trust, called the
research "striking and original".

However, she stressed there was no way yet of telling whether the molecule would
work in a human brain, or whether interfering with chaperone proteins would
produce side effects.

"There is clearly much work still to be done, and it will be necessary to
investigate this drug further in animals such as mice before this potentially
valuable method can be tried in patients.

"This is the first, exciting step in what could be a long path towards a new
treatment for Alzheimer's disease."

Professor Clive Ballard, research director of the Alzheimer's Society, said:
"There are many exciting approaches currently being investigated to target the
accumulation of amyloid, some of which are already being investigate in clinical
trials."

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Dear Editorials, Science and an Astronomy friends,

       Date:  Wed Oct 27, 2004  8:22 am
       Subject:  The isolated elliptical NGC 4555 observed with Chandra
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0407552

       Authors:((1) Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (2) University of
Birmingham, UK)
       Comments: 10 pages, 7 postscript figures, accepted for publication in
MNRAS

         We present analysis of a Chandra observation of the elliptical galaxy
NGC 4555. The galaxy lies in a very low density environment, either isolated
from all galaxies of similar mass or on the outskirts of a group. Despite this,
NGC 4555 has a large gaseous halo, extending to ~60 kpc. We find the mean gas
temperature to be ~0.95 keV and the Iron abundance to be ~0.5 solar. We model
the surface brightness, temperature and abundance distribution of the halo and
use these results to estimate parameters such as the entropy and cooling time of
the gas, and the total gravitational mass of the galaxy. In contrast to recent
results showing that moderate luminosity ellipticals contain relatively small
quantities of dark matter, our results show that NGC 4555 has a massive dark
halo and large mass-to-light ratio (56.8 [+34.2,-35.8] solar at 50 kpc, 42.7
[+14.6,-21.2] solar at 5 effective radii, 1 sigma errors). We discuss this
disparity and consider possible mechanisms by which galaxies might reduce their
dark matter content.
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New TB vaccine shown to be safe : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3944437.stm

  We're never going to get rid of TB unless we have a decent vaccine

The first TB vaccine to be developed in more than 80 years has passed safety
trials in the UK. Oxford University researchers say the vaccine could boost the
power of the existing BCG vaccine.
The study, in Nature Medicine, suggests the new vaccine could be of particular
use in the developing world, where cases of tuberculosis are rising. The World
Health Organization estimates one person is infected every second. It kills two
million people annually.



It is believed to be present in about one-third of the world's population,
around two billion people, although many people do not develop the disease.

In England, the number of cases of TB has risen by 25% over the last decade. The
BCG vaccine is thought to offer protection for around 15 years.

But it is not effective for everyone. In the UK, only around two thirds of those
who receive the vaccination are believed to be protected. Some trials have
suggested protection could be as low as 30%.

'Helper' cells

The new MVA85A vaccine was tested in Oxford, where schoolchildren no longer
routinely receive BCG. The three-year study, which was funded by the Wellcome
Trust research charity, involved 42 adults aged 18 to 55, who were divided into
three groups.

Two groups had never been vaccinated with BCG. One of these was given BCG and
the other MVA85A. People in the third group, who had previously received BCG,
were given MVA85A as a boost. In those who were only given MVA85A, the trials
showed it was safe and produced a high number of T 'helper' cells, which fight
disease.

Those who had previously had BCG and were given MVA85A revealed a far greater
number of T cells, in some case up to 30 times the levels produced in the other
groups. The researchers now plan to test the research in the developing world. A
trial is already underway in The Gambia - where TB is endemic and babies are
given BCG within 24 hours of birth. In the UK, BCG is usually administered at
the age of thirteen.

An 'ally' vaccine

Dr Helen McShane, a Wellcome Clinician Scientist Fellow and researcher at Oxford
University's Centre for Clinical Vaccinology and Tropical Medicine, who led the
study, said: "These results are phenomenally exciting. "This is one of the major
advances in the field of TB vaccines for over 80 years."

She added: "We will have to carry out more trials to see if this vaccine
actually stops people from contracting TB but initial results show that MVA85A
works perfectly well alongside BCG. "It is safe and stimulates a strong immune
response." Dr McShane said MVA85A appeared to work as an "ally" with BCG, rather
than as a replacement.

"BCG induces low levels of T cells. So when you later give MVA85A the cells are
reminded of the disease and build a bigger barrier to TB." Paul Sommerfeld,
chair of TB Alert, said: "It's very encouraging because, in the long term, we're
never going to get rid of TB unless we have a decent vaccine. "At the moment we
have a vaccine which is better than nothing but a very long way off being what
we need." But he added: "This is a very early step. A useable vaccine is still a
long way away, perhaps a decade off."


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Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 11:09 AM
Subject: Orionid meteors - 14-30. The shower peaks on the 21st, but can be seen
from October 2nd to November 7th.


  ** Orionid meteors **

It's a good time to see Orionids, meteors appearing near the constellation
Orion. On 22 October you could see up to 30 shooting stars an hour. Find out
where to look and what else to see in the skies this month, including a total
eclipse of the moon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/myspace/nightsky/observingnotes.shtml
Meteor Showers in October 2004 : The best shower to observe this month will be
the Orionids which can produce an hourly rate between 14-30. The shower peaks on
the 21st, but can be seen from October 2nd to November 7th.
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From: kutchscience
To: 'Dr.H.L.Udeshi' ; 'Dr.M.Azim Sheth' ; 'Dr.Mahesh Punjabi - Kota' ;
'Dr.Shashiben Vani - Ahmedabad' ; 'Dr.Upendra Vasavda - Mehsana' ;
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:39 AM
Subject: If Cancer can be caused By an Infections - why antibiotics can not
block it? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3726124.stm


       If Cancer can be caused By an Infections - why antibiotics can not block
it?

       Antibiotic can 'turn off cancer'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3726124.stm

              Liver cancer was blocked in mice
       Scientists have shown that a common antibiotic can turn off cancer cells
in mice, offering hope of new treatments for cancer patients.
       The antibiotic worked by turning off a gene called Myc, which is known to
trigger cancer.

       Mice remained cancer free for as long as they took the drug. When it was
stopped they developed liver cancer, the Stanford University team found.

       Cancer experts said the Nature study held promise for human cancer drugs.

       Cancer switch

       The findings might also apply to cancers of the breast, bowel and
prostate, the researchers hope.

       This is because all of these cancers, as well as liver cancer, begin in
cells that line the body called epithelial cells.

       According to Cancer Research UK, the gene may contribute to as many as one
in seven cancer deaths.

             Drugs blocking Myc might be effective cancer treatments in the
future.

             Dr Elaine Vickers from Cancer Research UK

       The Stanford scientists studied mice whose liver cells had been altered to
carry a modified Myc gene known to cause cancer.

       Myc controls cell division. Unlike the normal version of the gene, the
modified version stayed permanently switched on, meaning cells were constantly
dividing and some became cancerous.

       Feeding the mice the antibiotic doxycyline turned the faulty Myc gene off
so cancer growth was blocked.

       When the researchers stopped the doxycycline the mice developed aggressive
liver cancer.

       Reintroducing doxycycline into their feed not only turned Myc back off,
blocking further cancer growth, but it also turned the cancer cells back to
normal.

       Reversing cancer

       Lead researcher Dr Dean Felsher said: "The exciting thing is you can turn
cancer cells into something that appears to be normal."

       But he said even though the cells looked normal, they still had the
ability to become cancerous if the antibiotic were to be stopped.

       This could explain why some cancers come back after people have had
chemotherapy, he said.

       "This is a terrible cancer. Anything that is encouraging in liver cancer
may be important," he said.

       Dr Elaine Vickers, science information officer for Cancer Research UK,
said: "The Myc gene is known to be overactive in many types of cancer.

       "Estimates suggest that the gene may contribute to as many as one in seven
cancer deaths.

       "This research is very interesting.

       "It adds to the weight of evidence suggesting that drugs blocking Myc
might be effective cancer treatments in the future."




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From: kutchscience
To: pratyush_bhaskar@Delhi ; Ashapura ;kutchmitra ; ashokgupta7@...
Vigyan Prasar ; Ila Joshi ; mgthakkar ; lschamyal ; Outdoor Adventures &
Environment Institute ;

Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:59 AM
Subject: Also read: Primates
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/04/0418_020418_primates.html


Dear Science and the Geology friends,

The earliest octopus fossil was found in Jurassic rocks. It is unusual for an
octopus - an animal without a shell or skeleton - to be fossilised.

Do not be surprised if you find a Giant Squid Fossils in The Gangeshwar dome
near Gunawari River in the mountains near Madhapar (5KM)  in BHUJ (10 Km )
-KUTCH, We have got some perfect views of such fossils and sent to the experts
for the  identification and verifications. But did not expose to others just to
protect those from Vandals and Thieves of stealing mentality traders. The rock
in which the fossils were hidden to protect from those  "thieves and vandals." 
Fossils found in older layers may have been formed later in the geological
process , And those fossil layer may contain old layers of fossils superimposed
by the new formation of layers and phase Two fossils in the new younger  layers,
Mukherjee D., Bardhan S. & Ghosh D., 2002. Significance of new species of
Cryptorhynchia (Brachiopoda) from the Middle Jurassic of Kutch, India.
Alcheringa, 26 (1-2), 209-231.

world's largest fossil of the squid-like, straight-shelled cephalopod   a
spiral-shelled subclass of cephalopods. A cephalopod is a marine mollusk that
has a distinct head with suckers attached to it, highly developed eyes and
varying numbers of arms.
fossil almost 6-feet long and 90-100 million years old.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/04/0418_020418_primates.html

Phase Two fossil: Some Geologist do disagree with the Phase Two formation of the
fossils in Older layers but they need to understand the later formations,  on
the layer of old fossilised layers which are indistinguishable from the newly
formed layers at the same place. (read below)


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From: KutchScience
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [astronomyclubindia] City-Sized Asteroid to Pass Earth This Fall n
the Gauls will say "By Toutatis"


Thank you for attention,

It has been interesting news since, Some times it happens and some times
scientist makes FUN and words like "closest known pass of such a very large
space rock anytime this century" makes really FUN. as they do forget all about
BECAUSE EVERY ONE was Sleeping (Caught napping) as the approach was within a
critical angle as was coming from the direction of the sun, as that time
radioastronomy fails the tracking of NEO - asteroids because of the interference
by the sun Radiation. That's the Scientist fails to detect when Asteroid has
more chances to impact at a critical angle entry to the Earths Orbit.

Actually When NEO asteroids is in critical angle - coming from near angle of the
direction of the Sun it is more likely that it will close pass the Earths orbit
and may cross the Moon ORBIT round the Earth.

if it passes Just out of Moon orbit - either it changes path or strikes MOON who
is our actual guard from asteroid impact. if That miss than chances of Earth
Impact are more likely. BUT ALL THAT happens only when Asteroid travel near
critical angle (near equatorial Plane) but when it pass more wide angle - NORTH
/ SOUTH scientist should just ignore them as a casual visitors.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20020617/asteroid.html  June 14 2001 when 
Asteroid 2002MN got within 75,000 miles of Earth and was travelling at a speed
of some 23,000 miles per hour, astronomers said.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040503.html The rumours are
likely rooted in a real event, however. On Sept. 29, 2004 an asteroid the size
of a small city will make the closest known pass of such a very large space rock
anytime this century

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20020617/asteroid.html
June 21 - An asteroid the size of a soccer field whizzed by Earth at a distance
much nearer than the Moon, the biggest such space rock in decades to get this
close, scientists said on Thursday.
Asteroid 2002MN was not detected until Monday, three days after its closest
approach on June 14, when it got within 75,000 miles of Earth and was travelling
at a speed of some 23,000 miles per hour, astronomers said.

It is now several million miles away, according to Brian Marsden of the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics' Minor Planet Center, which tracks
asteroids.

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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:55 AM
Subject: [astronomyclubindia] City-Sized Asteroid to Pass Earth This Fall n the
Gauls will say "By Toutatis"


Toutatis will be too close to earth on 29th sept. check out these pages for more
info:
A minor rumor has hatched on the Internet that a large and deadly asteroid will
strike Earth this fall. Bulletin board discussions cite a 63 percent chance of
impact, while concerned readers have e-mailed SPACE.com wondering if it is
true.Astronomers know of no such impending doom.The rumors are likely rooted in
a real event, however. On Sept. 29, 2004 an asteroid the size of a small city
will make the closest known pass of such a very large space rock anytime this
century.While not dangerous for now, asteroid Toutatis is incredibly strange.
And scientists are quite familiar with it, having bounced radar off the tumbling
stone on previous flybys to generate computer renderings of its weird shape and
movement.
Toutatis looks something like a dumbbell hurtling awkwardly through space. It
has a crazy rotation that makes normal days impossible. Scientists can't explain
the shape or the spin, but they're eager to learn more in September when, during
the close pass, even backyard skywatchers will be able to spot the asteroid.


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From: kutchscience
To: Vigyan Prasar ; mgthakkar ; kutchmitra ; shanti_varu ; laxmansingh ;
jugalt2000 ; Aryagan ; Perran Ross
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:08 AM
Subject: Hominid (PURVa MANAV- Aadi MANAV) foot prints is about 17 inches long
and does look like a normal human footprint.


Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:29 AM
Subject: The print is about 17 inches long and does look like a normal human
footprint.


GUJARATI http://www.bombaysamachar.com/20040814/desh04.htm  DETAILS ARE in News
Prints
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kutchScience/message/123
Some Geologist do diagree with the human footprints in Older layers but they
need to understand the later formations on the layer of old fossilated layers
which are indistiguisable from the newly frmed layers layers at the same place.
(read below)

Hominid Foot prints found in older layers may have been formed later in the
geological process but the study of Photomicrographs and infrared photography is
required so that to eliminate that there were no signs of carving or artificial
markings in or around the prints. A study of microscopic count of sand grains is
ralso required so indicating that the material within the prints had been
impacted, and created as the result of a force pressing down on the firmament
while it was soft. These facts show that the prints were made by the natural
result of pressure from the human foot, and in no way could have been duplicated
by carving. The rock in which the prints were discovered was estimated to be 100
million years old. In recent years, the prints may have been stolen by "thieves
and vandals."
so POP moulds has been prepared and saved, also a portion has been damaged while
removing POP moulds in parts from the print fossile. Many geologist did visited
the place secretely when no other one was there!

Those who do not have sufficient knowledge, do disagree with views,  Many doubts
that this is not called the fossil? and many say that layers are too old and
human was not there. but is the Human evolution time scale is adaquate? Man made
structures under sea in the rameshwaram to shriLanka do stand in favour of the
Human activity long before, if that was RAMA time was RAVAN there and was
history of KOTESHWAR formation correct. then human evolution and Darvin may be
INCORRECT or just a guess and Human evolution history should be written in
correct way and order as western world is unaware of these VEDIC science and so
predict wrong way.

Phase Two Fossils: Burroughs Conjecture
The most cogent explanation of anomalous fossil footprints is perhaps offered by
Dr. William Greely Burroughs, of Berea College in Kentucky. Dr. Burroughs
conjecture is that a depression  in fossil-bearing rock may, long after the
original fossils have been formed, be filled with a sediment that in its turn
may also become the medium in which the impression of a footprint or the body of
a creature is fossilized. When this second period of fossilization is complete
the newly formed rock may be indistinguishable from the older formation, and the
new fossils may appear to have formed at the same time as those which are much
older. Thus, several fossilization processes may wind up looking like a
footprint made at the same time. This is undoubtebly the case in many instances,
but the theory is lacking in several respects. Firstly, fossilized human
footprints have been found deep within rocks that show no evidence of
discontinuous formation, not just at the junction of sedimentary layers.
Secondly, out of place fossils are often inconsistent not only with the ages of
associated fossils but also with the rock strata and the age conventionally
ascribed to them.

A large stone bearing the perfect imprint of a human foot 14 1/2 inches long was
shown to members of the Ohio State Academy of science in 1896. The stone slab
had been dug from the ground in a hill four miles north of Parkersburg, West
Virginia some 20 years earlier.


The American Anthropologist, February 1896, p.66
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm    
http://www.subversiveelement.com/FossilizedHumanFootprints.html
At the summit of Big Hill in the Cumberland Mountains in Jackson County,
Kentucky, is a layer of carboniferous sandstone. In the 1880's it was crossed by
a wagon trail that in time broke up the surface of the rock. When the resulting
debris was cleared away, a series of tracks was discovered in this carboniferous
layer about 300 million years old. There were imprints of a bear, something
resembling a large horse, and two "tracks of a human being, good sized, toes
well spread, and very distinctly marked." The prints were examined by Professor
J.F.Brown of Berea College, Kentucky.
The American Antiquarian, 7:39, January 1885


At the summit of Big Hill in the Cumberland Mountains in Jackson County,
Kentucky, is a layer of carboniferous sandstone. In the 1880's it was crossed by
a wagon trail that in time broke up the surface of the rock. When the resulting
debris was cleared away, a series of tracks was discovered in this carboniferous
layer about 300 million years old. There were imprints of a bear, something
resembling a large horse, and two "tracks of a human being, good sized, toes
well spread, and very distinctly marked." The prints were examined by Professor
J.F.Brown of Berea College, Kentucky.


The American Antiquarian, 7:39, January 1885

In 1938 Dr. Wilbur Burroughs, head of the geology department of Berea College,
Kentucky announced that he had discovered 10 humanoid footprints in
carboniferous sandstone on a farm belonging to Mr. O. Finnell in the hills in
the southern part of Rockcastle County. The prints were 9 1/2 inches long and 6
inches wide. The length between footprints was 18 inches. No marks of forefeet
or a tail were found. Photomicrographs and infrared photography revealed that
there were no signs of carving or artificial markings in or around the prints. A
microscopic count of sand grains indicated that the material within the prints
had been impacted, and created as the result of a force pressing down on the
firmament while it was soft. These facts show that the prints were made by the
natural result of pressure from the human foot, and in no way could have been
duplicated by carving. The rock in which the prints were discovered was
estimated to be 250 million years old. In recent years, the prints have been
destroyed by "vandals."


Brad Steiger, Mysteries of Time and Space, pp.6-7

A pair of human footprints once graced a slab of limestone on the west back of
the Mississippi River at St. Louis. In 1816 or 1817 the slab was quarried from
its position and removed by a Mr. George Rappe to the village of Harmony (now
New Harmony), Indiana. The prints were 10 1/2 inches long and 4 inches wide at
the toes, 6 1/4 inches apart at the heels, and 13 1/2 inches spanning between
the toes, reported Henry R. Schoolcraft, "the toes being very much spread, and
the foot flattened in a manner that happens to those who have been habituated to
go a great length of time without shoes. Notwithstanding this circumstance, the
prints are strikingly natural, exhibiting every muscular impression, and the
swell of the heels and the toes, with a precision and faithfulness to nature,
which I have not been able to copy, with perfect exactness, in the present
drawing....

                       Every appearance will warrant the conclusion that these
impressions were made at a time when the rock was soft enough to receive them by
pressure, and that the marks and features of the feet are natural and genuine."
In the geologic scheme of things, this limestone hardened about 270 million
years ago. Both the rock and the prints in it were said to show the same
evidence of wear and aging.


The American Journal of Science and Arts, 1:5:223-312, 1822

On the north slope of a boulder strewn hill near the mouth of the Little
Cheyenne River, South Dakota, lies the flat, dazzling white rock of magnesian
limestone, which scientists say was laid down and hardened over 100 million
years ago. On it are three prints of moccasined feet. In size they seem to be
those of a woman or adolescent, and to judge the length of the stride (4 1/2 and
5 1/2 feet) the person who made them was running. In one of the prints, the
impression made by the heel is deeper than that made by the ball of the foot,
which again lends credence to the theory that whoever made the tracks was
running. The depth of the tracks varies from 1/2 an inch to 1 inch. All three
clearly show the instep and faint toe impressions, and all show the same amount
of weathering as the unmarked surface of the surrounding stone. According to an
interview which was obtained with Mr. Le Beau, who had lived in the area for
over 26 years, local Indians knew nothing of the origin of the footsteps, but
viewed the stone as a "medicine rock."


William R. Corliss, Ancient Man: A Handbook of Puzzling Artifacts, p.649

Giant tracks, seemingly made by a human being, were found by a government
trapper in the Alkali Flats area of Great White Sands, New Mexico, in 1931. A
year later a party of four, including O. Fred Arthur, supervisor of Lincoln
National Forest, set out to investigate the tracks, with the government trapper
Ellis Wright as their guide. They found 13 imprints crossing a relic desert
basin in the eastern most foothills of the San Andreas Mountains. Despite the
great size of the tracks, the investigators were convinced they were human, "for
the prints were perfect and even the insteps were plainly marked." Oval shaped,
the prints are 16 to 22 inches long and 8 to 12 inches wide, with a distance
between strides of about 5 feet and a separation in width of 2 feet.


                       The site was revisited in 1972, 1974, and 1981, and more
tracks were found. When they were first studied, it had been noted that the
imprints were 2 1/2 inches deep. But in 1974 (42 years later) they were between
1 and 1 1/2 inches above the ground! The compacting of the soft earth by the
heavy tread of the creature had preserved the prints while the surrounding soil
had been eroded by wind and the occasional rainfall. By 1981 the tracks stood
well above the surface by several inches. There is no doubt that the tracks were
made by living creatures. One suggestion is that they were made in the 1850's by
US Army camels, a more accepted view is that they are 10,000 years old, and were
made by an extinct animal such as a Mammoth or native camel. But the spacing of
the footprints suggests a two legged creature. The mysterious tracks are now
protected by archaeologists.


U.S. Army Report, 1981

What may well be the oldest fossil footprint ever discovered was found in 1968
by William J. Meister, an amateur fossil collector. If the print is what it
appears to be, the impression of a sandaled shoe crushing a trilobite, it would
have had to have been made 300 - 600 million years ago and would be sufficient
to either overturn all conventionally accepted ideas of human and geological
evolution or to prove that a shoe wearing biped from another world had once
visited this planet. Meister made his potentially disturbing find during rock
and fossil hunting trip to Antelope Spring, 43 miles west of Delta, Utah. He was
accompanied by his wife and two daughters, and by Mr. and Mrs. Francis Shape and
their two daughters. The party had already discovered several fossil trilobites
when Meister split open a rock with his hammer and made the outrageous find. The
rock fell open "like a book" revealing " on one side the footprint of a human
with trilobites right in the footprint itself. The other half of the slab of
rock showed an almost perfect mold of the footprint and fossils. Amazingly, the
human was wearing a sandal."


                       Trilobites were small marine invertebrates, the relatives
of todays shrimp and crabs that flourished for over 320 million years before
becoming extinct 280 million years ago. Humans are currently thought to have
begun emerging between 1 and 2 million years ago and to have been wearing well
shaped footwear for only the last several thousand. The sandal that seems to
have crushed a living trilobite was 10 3/4 inches long and 3 1/2 inches wide;
the heel is indented slightly more than the sole, as a human footprint would be.
Meister took the rock to Melvin Cook, a professor of metallurgy at the
University of Utah, who advised him to show the specimen to university
geologists. When Meister was unable to find a geologist who was willing to look
at the fossil, he went to the local newspaper, The Desert News. Before long, the
find received national publicity. In a subsequent news conference the curator of
the Museum of Earth Science at the University of Utah, James Madsen said; "There
were no men 600 million years ago. Neither were their monkeys or ground sloths
to make pseudo human tracks. What man thing could have possibly have been
walking around on this planet before vertebrates even evolved?"


                       Madsen then went on to say that the fossil must have been
formed through natural processes, though what kind he was unable to suggest. Dr.
Jesse Jennings, of the universities anthropology department , guessed (rather
boldly, considering the absence of any supporting visual evidence) that the
print might have been made by one large trilobite coming to rest on three
smaller ones. On July 20th, 1968, the Antelope Spring site was examined by Dr.
Clifford Burdick, a consulting geologist from Tucson, Arizona, who soon found
the impression of a child's foot in a bed of shale. "The impression" he said"
was about 6 inches long, with the toes spreading, as if the child had never yet
worn shoes, which compress the toes. There does not appear to be much of an
arch, and the big toe is not prominent." The print was shown to two geologists
and one paleontologist.


                       One of the geologist agreed that it appeared to be that of
a human being, but he paleontologist said that no biological agent had been
involved. Dr. Burdick stuck to his guns: "The rock chanced to fracture along the
front of the toes before the fossil footprint was found. On cross section the
fabric of the rock stands out in fine laminations, or bedding planes. Where the
toes pressed into the soft material, the laminations were bowed downward from
the horizontal, indicating a weight that had been pressed into the mud." In
August 1968 Mr. Dean Bitter, an educator in the Salt Lake City public school
system, claimed to have found two more footprints in the Antelope Springs area.
According to Dr. Cook, no trilobites were injured in these footfalls, but a
small trilobite was found near the prints in the same rock, indicating that the
small sea creature and the sandaled traveler might have been contemporaries.


Bible Science Newsletter, August-September 1969, Royal Research Society
Quarterly,
December 1968

In 1882 huge footprints, strongly resembling those of a human wearing shoes,
were found in a layer of sandstone in the yard of the state prison near Carson
City, Nevada, during digging operations. The prints were between 18 and 20
inches long and approximately 8 inches wide. The stride was about 3 feet and the
distance between the left and right tracks, the straddle, was about 19 inches.
Numerous other tracks resembling those of deer, horses, elephants and wolves
were found in the same layer of sandstone. Since the size of the prints and the
age of the rock at the layer they were discovered (2 to 3 million years old)
argued against a human or even a hominid origin, the prints were ascribed to a
more acceptable origin, the tracks of a giant ground sloth. It is thought that
these animals could stand upright, but only by using their tails for additional
support. However, no tail track was found at this site. It was also suggested
that perhaps the animal was walking on four feet, and that its rear legs were
landing exactly in the tracks left by its front feet, thereby creating the
impression of a biped. But this fails to account for the fact that the tracks
show no toe marks.


The American Journal of Science 3:26:139-40, July-December 1883

The imprint of a leather shoe was found in Triassic limestone in Fisher Canyon,
Pershing County, Nevada, by Alfred E. Knapp. According to microphotographs of
the print (found in 1927) the leather was hand stitched with a finer thread than
was customarily used by shoemakers in 1927. Triassic limestone is conventionally
dated as between 180 - 225 million years old.


Brad Steiger, Mysteries of Time and Space, p.18

The footprint of a human being, apparently fleeing toward the Gediz River from a
volcanic eruption, was discovered in volcanic ash during the construction of a
dam near Demirkopru, Turkey, in 1970. The age of the ash was determined to be
250,000 years old by the Turkish Mineral Research and Exploration Institute in
Ankara, and the print was pronounced human by the National Laboratory of
Forensic Science in Sweden. If so, whoever made the print was an antecedent of
Neanderthal man.


Nature, 254:553, April 17th, 1975



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Subject: The print is about 19 inches long and does not even look like a normal
human footprint.


http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm

http://www.subversiveelement.com/FossilizedHumanFootprints.html
At the summit of Big Hill in the Cumberland Mountains in Jackson County,
Kentucky, is a layer of carboniferous sandstone. In the 1880's it was crossed by
a wagon trail that in time broke up the surface of the rock. When the resulting
debris was cleared away, a series of tracks was discovered in this carboniferous
layer about 300 million years old. There were imprints of a bear, something
resembling a large horse, and two "tracks of a human being, good sized, toes
well spread, and very distinctly marked." The prints were examined by Professor
J.F.Brown of Berea College, Kentucky.
The American Antiquarian, 7:39, January 1885

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http://hometown.aol.com/ibss3/ibss3/paluxy.htm
Are Dinosaur and Human footprints found together in the Paluxy River near Glen
Rose, Texas?


Roland T. Bird in a 1939 article in Natural History (43:5.254-61) mentioned
giant carved human footprints from Glen Rose, Texas. Clifford Burdick refusing
to believe the prints were carved, searched and located the prints in 1945. In
1961 pictures of these tracks appeared in The Genesis Flood. In 1970 Stanley
Taylor with a film crew dammed up the Paluxy River to produce the film
Footprints in Stone which claimed dinosaur and human footprints are found
together.

Carl Baugh (in a white T-shirt) did some more excavation of prints, and set up a
very small museum in the first medicine store in Texas which was moved because
of disputes between Carl Baugh and the land owner.

Dr. Arlton Murray went to Glen Rose, Texas to investigate the supposed dinosaur
and human prints found by Carl Baugh. Other came to help Baugh remove rock
layers to find prints.




Other prints were traced along the Paluxy River. Some water helps the prints
stand out better.

One of the prints found by Carl Baugh is claimed to be a giant human footprint
seen below.



The print is about 19 inches long and does not even look like a normal human
footprint.

Dr. Arlton Murray was not convinced that this was a human foot print so he
secretly made a mould of the print when Baugh was not there.



Dr. Murray took the mould to an expert podiatrict in Texas who said that
anatomically this was not a human footprint.

If the outer two toe prints of the T-Rex are filled in, it will look somewhat
like a human footprint. While Dr. Murray was there he met Glan Kuban who was
studying the prints.

When these tracks were reexamined very closely by Glen Kuban and other experts,
they were found to be dinosaur tracks not human footprints. Erosion and back
fill made some of them look human.

When the Taylor trail was followed the prints turned into clear dinosaur tracks.
On other prints claw marks were seen (See Glen Kuban's excellent website at
http://members.aol.com/paluxy2/paluxy.htm). Because of this evidence the film
Footprints in Stone was removed from circulation. Dr. John Morris wrote Impact
article 151 (1986) stating "none of the four tails at the Taylor site can be
today regarded as unquestionably human."


Other prehistoric animals like mastodons were clearly around at the same time as
man because arrows, spears and knife marks have been found on the bones, but
none of this has been found with dinosaur bones.


There has been much false information given out by Carl Baugh (Creation Science
Museum). The human footprint he bought is clearly a carving. The supposed wood
is iron oxide. The supposed human finger is most likely a burrow filling. The
large skeleton is just 200-300 years old and not part of the Cretaceous layer.
The hammer in the rock, called the "London Artifact" is most likely a 19th
century miner's hammer (See above picture). His dinosaur claws are actually
crocodile teeth. The supposed human tooth is a fish tooth. There are no clear
human footprints in the Paluxy River except the ones that were carved which are
anatomically wrong.

Even Answers In Genesis questioned Carl Baugh's views (See web page at
http://members.aol.com/paluxy2/whatbau.htm) For more information see
Creation/Evolution 15,&17 published by NCSE (See their website at
http://www.natcenscied.org/).

When I (Dr. Stephen C. Meyers) saw Carl Baugh's video of the excavation, I was
very disappointed. The quality was very poor. One could not tell what he was
excavating. The audio said Baugh was removing marl. Marl can easily be removed
to form whatever shape one wants.


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Dear Science friends,             (Rare elements of Body - Copper - PLEASE do
not forget to SEND your FEEDback)

(TUES DAY 4 JULY2004 - News Photograph is attached to Email as CopperMRSA.jpg
above) saying that "Copper surfaces can KILL MRSA bugs, MRSA infections can be
reduced by using the copper surfaces in the hospitals, UK scientists says. The
University of the Southampton found that super bugs are unable to survive on
copper alloy surfaces for longer than 90 minutes. MRSA bugs can survive for 3
days on the stainless surfaces.  they presented the findings in the meetings of
the American Science for Microbiology in the new ORLANDO "

We do have some traditions which may look very contradictory to science as well
as individuals. But looking to the other side of the subjects it has very
interesting view to be thought about it!

Our body has rare elements of which copper has some interesting role - just
found by the science. So lets go back to the traditions first and then come back
to the scientific views of the traditions and rare element of the body - COPPER
- (Cu)and its role - new findings.

Traditionally people used to drink a water from a COPPER - (Cu) KALASH, and many
use the water to drink in the morning, kept in such Copper Kakash over night.
May be that the rare element source of Cu with minimal side effects,

Not only that We use that tradition in most of the rituals and POOJAs, we use
same Copper - Cu Kalash ONLY, for same purpose  and also use the Statues of
"PANCH DHATUs" which has alloy of main Copper Cu element. and also make
CHARNAMRUTs from a PANCHAMRUTs made with YOGURT -(for Lacto BACILLi and lactic
acid to extract the copper from PANCHDHATU statue with the PANCHAMRUT SANANAM)-
milk - honey Ganga & SUGAR. That may be the part of addition Booster to those
Rare element supplements to the body.

But many raise the question for inadequate cleanliness and germs to get
infection. But that can be done with proper chilliness and as Shashtras
suggests. and also for induction of immunity we do need some Antigens to get
some immune antibodies as in Vaccine Attenuated virus and bacteria. Many of
countries have problem with Supper clinginess as a result Immunity of those
people reduced dramatically and has a danger of sudden outbreaks even with non
virulent forms and even Asthma as a result of lost resistance of the body to the
foreign body and antigens. UK has 10% population with such Asthma and other
immunological problems because of supper cleanliness in a normal life.

One day Supper filtered water provided WATER will have same problem after few
generation- a Long long time - that one will not tolerate any antigens and loose
out the body fight for the resistance to the disease. Looks like a very long
thinking technique to feed people with such water.

Now lets come back to recent developments of the science of MRSA bugs over which
we do not have any control. and is getting over all slowly slowly. But recent
findings suggest instead of using Stainless still at the Hospitals and operating
theater if we use COPPER alloy for surfaces it kills those - even uncontrollable
MRSA bugs - in just 90 minutes without any action. may be that the RARE
elemental role of the COPPER - (Cu) in the body!! and so lets go back to the
tradition we use - more scientifically.

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Dear science/Maths and astronomy friends,
Sub: - July August - Need of the Science awareness seminars to be conducted with
Visual demonstrations

We always been trying to understand the universe and even human brain, but we
always can not do that, as brain and Universe, only 10% part we can realise and
so only understand hardly 1% of those. 90 % of brain looks inactive-not
understandable by us and 90% of the universe not Visible to us (by eye/brain).

so as "Shashtras" told us to see the Brahmans we need "DIVYA CHAKSHU" and we,
either by perception of our Mind , and self realisation can just understand that
but its not so simple too.

Many of the aspects are inter Weaven with the our ancient Vedic /Puranic
literature. and in "Bhagavata", but not easily understood by a ordinary mind,
need to have deep thorough understanding of the subject, NOT only that Need a
Plenty of Integrations of many of the subject rather than ONLY one
specialisation. else subject remains unclear and brain understand only that "its
and half EMPTY instead of Half filled water MUG" and if one tries to explain
then, it happens like as if " B**** ke aage BHAGAVAt ka kya MATLAB?"

Not only that neither it gives solution with a MONOTONOUS non musical tone of
"How " & "Why",  needs ones own MIND involvement.

MANY CONTRADICTION for the "Not an expanding Universe" are there too, to
understand if one wish to do so:-

http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/UNIVERSE/Universe.html
http://www.geocities.com/drratiram_sharma/NonexpandingUniverse.html
http://www.geocities.com/wlodekj/sci/history.htm
http://personal.tcu.edu/~dingram/phys20083/sp00_ex3b.html
http://www.superstringtheory.com/forum/cosmoboard/messages12/165.html
http://www.superstringtheory.com/forum/extraboard/messages11/145.html
http://www.humancafe.com/discus/messages/1/79.html?MondayAugust1820031100pm
http://www.humancafe.com/discus/messages/70/97.html?ThursdayNovember620030217am

Inquiry into the Relations between Energy and Gravity, relative to E=mc2, with
Axiomatic Equations, as a Foundation for a Theory of Everything and the New
Physics.

AXIOMATIC EQUATIONS OF THE NEW PHYSICS:

Em . c = h/l(eomo)1/2 = (Bm)c2 = (1-g)c2 = Eenergy ©

We been given an equation of the Einstein creation witch never been understood
by any one at the time. and REPLY was with a monotonous - "How " & "Why", only
understood partially with development of Computations. though it was a partial
statement only.

No one tried to prove that again as its has no proofs too. and that is also one
way thinking as we are aware of that part of understanding only and not the
OTHER side of the THAT COIN. - if we think other way we can use that to create
Matter from the energy as below!! (but that is not possible and so equation
remains without proofs and solutions) may be we need to look in to the NEW
THEORIEs of the theory  of the EVERY THING - of strings (strings of Energy -
SHAKTI) which science says has NO PROOFs and no way to realise that!! so no need
to "How " & "Why", monotonous Qs of stupidity of our MIND.

E=mc2 Means that E/c2=m so one can produce a Mass (mater) which is not possible
with the present science understanding, so how the matter and the universe was
created? lets go to string theory!!
http://www.nuclecu.unam.mx/%7Ealberto/physics/string.html
String theory itself will remain at the centre of the Disputes as has not any
proofs and there are no ways to prove as long as we create a matter ourselves
with the strings of energy - SHAKTI as said in "Vedas" and reverse the equation
of Einstein to (E=mc2 Means that E/c2=m) and also we are not sure what causes
matter and what an antimatter? may be

according to the theory of everything it explains (Strings of Energy) it self
says that it can not give any proof but just some understanding to understand
the universe (Actually Mutiverse - pulsatile parallel mutiverse). and which type
of those (all such string energy released - NO SOURCE are defined) give the
matter and which one gives an anti matter. As one +ve string gives matter and
the other one an antimatter. (as many disputes and "How " & "Why", monotonous Qs
of stupidity of our MIND gives only -ve results and +ve and constructive
thoughts with a +ve results with smile on the face!)

Similarly Formulas by RAMANUJAN, (RAM ANUJAn - he must be BHARAT) was not
understood by any one and so kept in dark but only with the help of recent
computing could solve his formulas to be true so he was awarded a honorary
degree of math's by those FOOLs who NEVER UNDERSTOOD him BEFORE.

MANY CONTRADICTORY for the "Non expanding Universe" are here too to understand
if one wish to do so:-

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Non+expanding+universe%22+%2B+collapsing&ei=\
UTF-8&fr=fp-pull-web-t&n=20&fl=0&x=wrt

We have very rich heritage of Astronomy and an astronomical architectures but
even Astronomers struggle to understand the importance and functions. Not only
that many astronomers  have been confused for even HOW to and WHERE to stand for
those application to use! and its really our pity we are unaware of those things
to understand.

wish every one prefer their own way to understand and not implying or borrowing
from some one others Mind, Good Luck to understand of his/her own with a wide
range of reading from all sides of the source and not just thinking one side of
the coin. as every thing is interchanging and reactions are not a single
direction change even in the universe (Today's multiverse)

A full 4 hour Science documentary on the subject of theory of the every thing -
String Theory (Audi Visual) is in the reference Library Only for a reference.
and will be shown in seminars conducted during July and August.

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9 November 2001

       Odds lengthen on chance of an asteroid disaster

       By David Derbyshire, Science Correspondent

       First the good news: the chances of the human race being wiped out by an
asteroid within the next 100 years are far lower than was previously thought.

       The bad news is that there's still a one in 5,000 probability that the
Earth will collide with a space rock before the start of the 22nd century. While
that may seem a remote possibility, it is four times higher than the risk of
dying in a train crash.


             An artists impression of an asteroid impacting the earth

       The new doomsday prediction comes from researchers at Princeton University
in New Jersey, who found that the solar system contains 700,000 asteroids big
enough to destroy civilisation.

       That number is one third the size of earlier estimates. Previously, the
risks of a catastrophic space collision within 100 years were put at one in
1,500.

       Dr Zeljko Ivezic, who led the research, said: "Our estimate of the chance
of a big impact contains some of the same uncertainties as previous estimates,
but it is clear that we should feel somewhat safer than we did before we had the
Sloan survey data."

       The Sloan survey, based at the Apache Point Observatory in New Mexico, is
mapping one quarter of the sky. Its main aim is to look for objects outside our
galaxy, but it also records objects far closer to home.

       The estimate draws on observations of many more asteroids than past
studies, including small, faint ones not available in earlier risk estimates.

       The data allowed astronomers to gauge the size of the asteroids more
accurately by analysing their colour and composition. A small, rocky asteroid
looks just as bright as a larger one made from darker carbon.

       "You don't know precisely the size of an object you are looking at unless
you know what type it is," said Dr Ivezic.

       The asteroid belt contains 700,000 objects larger than three-fifths of a
mile in diameter. That is the minimum size thought to pose a catastrophic risk.

       Previous studies could detect only asteroids three miles or larger,
forcing astronomers to estimate the number of smaller objects. The small
asteroids have turned out not to be as plentiful as had been expected.

       The risk of dying in a rail accident is about one in 20,000, while the
chance of being killed in a lightning strike is one in 10 million.





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Dear Science and astronomy friends,

I am very much pleased to hear from you to know that there are some who
genuinely think of the Astronomy. Thank you for your arising questions.  As we
never see but just can realise the center is the Imaginary centre of the
Universe where all gravitation of the universe is generated and G is not the
EARTH G .

(eg - when we talk about satellites and rockets form the Earth we consider Earth
G 9.8/mm, and not the gravitation of the SUN. when we talk about planetary
movement of solar system we take "g"of Sun for solar system. when we talk about
Andromeda and MANDAKINI - our galaxy - milky way  we take "g" as gravitation of
our galactic centre over stars and clusters, similarly we consider "g" for
Universe which all bodies of the universe to gather). - "G" is Universal and
every where and laws of gravitation apply every where in the universe and as
distance increases from the centre That "g" is  similarly applicable as
inversely to the Square of the distance "d".

In gravitation bound bodies - bodies at the periphery has low "g" and moves
slowly at the periphery. that apply to all universally. to all planetary
movements ,  stars movements in the galactic plane - galactic plane moves slower
at the periphery. and also to the universe. IT IS NOT THE SPIN WHEEL RIDE as the
periphery 'linear'  movement is faster  than the center. and we need to
calculate rather than just believe some one said.

Here if WE calculate examples in the model - answer will come itself - and will
not change that EVEN if you inter change the position of A & B. and in the
universe we always do not get redshift as we think of. as every thing is not
going further from US. some thing is going with us and it does not give any
shift - neither Red nor Blue!! and some thing gives BLUE shifts too which are in
Local Gravitational clusters bound to each other and can not escape from each
other and gives a BLUE SHIFT.  eg our local galactic clusters are bound to each
other and closing so fast that Those will collide in 2.16 Bn years. and every
thing will be destroyed and nothing will survive beyond that period not even our
SUN - though scientist say sun life is left for further 5Bn years!!!  and that's
VEDA says if we do understand the Vedic science and Vedic mathematics

WHO IS RIGHT?

http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.html

http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/000414b.asp
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast15jul99_2.htm

http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.html
When will the next galaxy hit the Milky Way?  according to Dr. Sten Odenwald
with NASA's IMAGE/POETRY project:

"Well...The Milky Way is currently making a meal of the Large and Small
Magellanic Clouds and will probably finish digesting them in, say, 100 million
years or so. There are also several dwarf galaxies such as the Sagittarius
System that are also, apparently, waiting in the wings. The biggest, and most
spectacular, collision will be with the Andromeda Galaxy ( Messier 31) which is
due to visit us in about 2-3 billion years give or take a few millenia! It is
approaching the Milky Way at a speed of roughly 300 km/sec, so that in 1 billion
years it will be 300,000 parsecs closer ( roughly 1/2 its current distance). By
the time they are 100,000 parsecs apart, in about 2 billion years or so, massive
tidal gravitational effects will tear spiral arms apart and start to shred the
pinwheels from the outside-in."

What else?     from our prime-radiant site: notes on Colliding and the Fate of
the Milky Way (8/3/01)

http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/000414b.asp

The 2.2-million-light-year gap between the Milky Way and Andromeda is closing at
about 500,000 kilometres an hour, he explains. That pace will quicken as the two
galaxies near each other.


http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast15jul99_2.htm

Collisions are much rarer today than they were in the past, but not impossible.
Our own spiral galaxy, the Milky Way, is currently "eating up" several small
satellite galaxies. Within 5 to 10 billion years -- some computer simulations
show -- the Milky Way may collide with the Andromeda galaxy, and the result
would be an elliptical galaxy.

       From:  "Hrishikesh Joglekar" <astrohrishi@h...>
       Date:  Sat Jun 19, 2004  8:37 pm
       Subject:  Re: expanding universe???

       hello,

       some points are not clear in your explanation

       1. In your model, if A and B are points in the expanding Universe  w.r.t.
centre, why are u taking 'g' into consideration?

       2. why should B move slower?     if it is farther away from centre, it
should move faster , isn't it?

           Do u want to say that gravity is one fourth thats why B should move
slower ???  then i think, it's not the correct way.

       Expanding Universe is like increse in scaling factor. (otherwise the
density distribution in the Universe will change.) So, i think A should move
slower and B should move faster ... w.r.t. A thats why we see redshift in
expanding Universe. Please Clarify.

       bye,
        Hrishi

       while developing the complete understanding of Universe, we may draw
incorrect conclusion. and whenever there is inconsistency, we try to find bug
and correct it. Newton's Theory was inconsistent in some cases. Einstein
corrected it. Doesnt mean Newton mis-lead all...

       BTW , just have a look at the book by J.V.Narlikar .. "The lighter side of
gravity" see chapter on "is the Universe really expanding?"



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