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#164 From: "kutchScience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Tue Jan 4, 2005 10:33 am
Subject:: Re: Meetiong and mchllolz read for the Quadrantid Meteors @ http://www.fillingthesky.com/id26.html
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any known reason for increased meteor activity ?
Quadrantid Meteors http://www.fillingthesky.com/id26.html
The Quadrantid meteor shower peaks in the early morning of January 3rd. It is
supposed to have an average rate of about 40 meteors per hour but I have never
braved the cold long enough to see much of a display. The radiant is at RA 15 hr
20 min, Dec +49 degrees. The blue dot in the illustration below represents the
Quadrantid radiant.
This is the only meteor shower I know of that is named after a defunct modern
constellation, le Mural (also called Mural Quadrant).

  Le Mural was invented by the French astronomer Joseph-Jerome LeFrancais de
Lalande (1732-1807). It was first published in 1795 by the French globemaker, J.
Fortin. Le Mural was seldom used by astronomers after the late 19th century and
it is not considered an official constellation today.

Le Mural honors the astronomical instrument that Lalande and his nephew, Michel
Le Francais, used to chart stars. The constellation represents a large mural
(wall) quadrant, an instrument so large that it was mounted on a wall and not on
a tripod. Tycho Brahe's famous mural quadrant had a measuring scale that was one
quarter the circumference of a circle two meters in radius. Because they were
wall mounted and stationary mural quadrants required the observer to wait for
the rotation of the earth to bring a star into the sighting tube.



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#163 From: "kutchScience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:49 am
Subject:: Fw: Asteroid Threat Ruled Out Though it has been said that 2004 MN4 is having a close encounter with Earth's orbit - contrary will be diverted to Moon or Sun
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Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: Asteroid Threat Ruled Out Though it has been said that 2004 MN4 is
having a close encounter with Earth's orbit - contrary will be diverted to Moon
or Sun


Dear Science and Astronomy friends,

Thank God , Scientist did realised the scare story of wrong interpretations made
by them, on 28 I wrote all to in following message. I am pleased that they put
off the Scare story on 30 Dec. , Really we need to realise the facts by our own
means and not just Trusting them only. But we really lack those understanding  -
don't we?  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astronomyclubindia/message/2533

--- In astronomyclubindia@yahoogroups.com, Manoj Pai <manojpai@y...> wrote:
> The scare is now off. Its going to miss our earth. Pl
> check the Sky and Tel sitd for a detailed article.
>
> Manoj
--- In astronomyclubindia@yahoogroups.com, "Chander Devgun" <cb@s...> wrote:
> Astronomers have now ruled out the possibility that Asteroid 2004 MN4 will
strike the Earth in April 2029. Scientists from the Spacewatch Observatory near
Tuscon, Arizona searched back through older observations to find some images of
2004 MN4 that were captured in March, 2004. This gave them enough data to
recalculate the asteroid's path, and see that it doesn't pose a threat to the
planet.
>
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/asteroid_threat_ruled_out.html?29122004

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hiren soni ; editor@... ; sandesh ; thehindu@... ;
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Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:25 PM
Subject: Though it has been said that 2004 MN4 is having a close encounter with
Earth's orbit - contrary will be diverted to Moon or Sun


Dear Science & astronomy friends,

Though it has been said that 2004 MN4 is  having a close encounter with Earth's
orbit - it is  very very less likely, and on the contrary will be diverted to
Moon or Sun which is just in front on the way to perihelion of 2004 MN4,

1) AND its NO MOON phase - AMAVASYA - so MOON and SUN are in same direction of
2004 MN4's  perihelion path. so more likely those TWO  attractive goalkeepers 
are waiting for the 2004 MN4,

2) 2004 MN4 having high degree of speed near perihelion path, it is more likely
that Earth gravitation will just act to Divert the path for a small deviation
rather than an IMPACT to Earth.

3) 2004 MN4 - as expected, will not go as same orbit as it has to but will
deviate for few degrees and one of Two Goalkeepers (SUN & MOON - in within 5-10
degrees) ready to get 2004 MN4 catch OUT. - also exerting a dual gravitational
(SUM AND MOON are in near same direction in position of AMAVASYA) force on 2004
MN4 to attract the Earth diverted 2004MN4.

4) if 2004 MN4 is survived from SUN /MOON will adapt a new orbital path after
deviation from EARTH , MOON/ SUN.

5) If any impact on MOON, will not be visualised on DARK SIDE of MOON - AMAVASYA
- DARK side of MOON facing the Earth - but new small crater if created will be -
diagnosed by only a HIGH grade telescopic photography.  is Missed While before
going to sun it may be vaporised if going to sun after a deviation By EARTH and
MOON. More accuracy can only be predicted on latest approch timing to the
Earth's orbit.

Updated Set of Possible Positions of 2004 MN4 on April 13, 2029



Events for Friday 13 Apr 2029



05:42    Moon rises

06:23    Sun rises

06:30    Jupiter sets

06:44    Venus rises

07:16    Mercury rises

07:31    Saturn rises

17:01    Mars rises

18:34    Moon sets

18:43    Jupiter rises

18:55    Sun sets

19:17    Venus sets

20:10    Mercury sets


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#162 From: "kutchScience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:33 pm
Subject:: Though it has been said that 2004 MN4 is having a close encounter with Earth's orbit - contrary will be diverted to Moon or Sun
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Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:25 PM
Subject: Though it has been said that 2004 MN4 is having a close encounter with
Earth's orbit - contrary will be diverted to Moon or Sun


Dear Science & astronomy friends,

Though it has been said that 2004 MN4 is  having a close encounter with Earth's
orbit - it is  very very less likely, and on the contrary will be diverted to
Moon or Sun which is just in front on the way to perihelion of 2004 MN4,

1) AND its NO MOON phase - AMAVASYA - so MOON and SUN are in same direction of
2004 MN4's  perihelion path. so more likely those TWO  attractive goalkeepers 
are waiting for the 2004 MN4,

2) 2004 MN4 having high degree of speed near perihelion path, it is more likely
that Earth gravitation will just act to Divert the path for a small deviation
rather than an IMPACT to Earth.

3) 2004 MN4 - as expected, will not go as same orbit as it has to but will
deviate for few degrees and one of Two Goalkeepers (SUN & MOON - in within 5-10
degrees) ready to get 2004 MN4 catch OUT. - also exerting a dual gravitational
(SUM AND MOON are in near same direction in position of AMAVASYA) force on 2004
MN4 to attract the Earth diverted 2004MN4.

4) if 2004 MN4 is survived from SUN /MOON will adapt a new orbital path after
deviation from EARTH , MOON/ SUN.

5) If any impact on MOON, will not be visualised on DARK SIDE of MOON - AMAVASYA
- DARK side of MOON facing the Earth - but new small crater if created will be -
diagnosed by only a HIGH grade telescopic photography.  is Missed While before
going to sun it may be vaporised if going to sun after a deviation By EARTH and
MOON. More accuracy can only be predicted on latest approch timing to the
Earth's orbit.

Updated Set of Possible Positions of 2004 MN4 on April 13, 2029



Events for Friday 13 Apr 2029



05:42    Moon rises

06:23    Sun rises

06:30    Jupiter sets

06:44    Venus rises

07:16    Mercury rises

07:31    Saturn rises

17:01    Mars rises

18:34    Moon sets

18:43    Jupiter rises

18:55    Sun sets

19:17    Venus sets

20:10    Mercury sets



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President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".

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#161 From: "kutchScience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Mon Dec 27, 2004 12:19 pm
Subject:: LOOK for THE GRAVITAION during the Chrismas Blue MOON
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Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 12:13 PM
Subject: LOOK for THE GRAVITAION during the Chrismas Blue MOON


Dear Astronomy, Scienece and geologyfriends,

Chrismas Blue MOON?

Earth is near perihelion in Dec end ( 2nd Jan - perihelion) so gravitation is
greater on earth crust and magma also. and when Moon is near Full Moon
position/new moon position (so as to generate gravitation on Sea & Earthmagma in
opposite diractions), and when Moon close to EARTH as a combine gravitation of
EARTH and the SUN when orbits are near  perihelion.

SUN is CLOSE to EARTH - True distance: 0.9834239 AU (147 million km) which is
near 2% closer than an AVERAGE distance.

Such occasions of calculated intense gravitations are actually dangerous
particularly in those circumstances of major tectonic activity periods. and so
will remain in position for at least a month till Earth will go further away
from the SUN. So coming time is also under gravitational forces and if any
tectonic activity if affected by the waves of last Earthquake waves in side the
Earth MAGMA and Crust bouncing will generate further affects in fortnight or a
Month's time. so worth keep an eye on the seismic activity around the world. and
also need to create the more science awareness about the TSUNAMI / MEGASUNAMI
when it is well known now then ever before.

Information about Sun for 26 Dec 2004 11:25:53
Geocentric Information : Declination: -23° 20' 40.43" - True distance: 0.9834239
AU (147 million km) - Radius vector: 0.9834568 AU (147 million km)


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#160 From: "kutchScience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:06 am
Subject:: Subject: WISH to watch? Be ready to watch TV CHANNEL4 on 19December/2004 ON CH30 - 560 Mhz UK sattelite
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Subject: WISH to watch? Be ready to watch TV CHANNEL4 on CH30 - 560 Mhz UK
sattelite


Dear Science and Astronomy friends and editorials,

WHAT WE DO NOT KNOW YET? A scientific presentation of the following THEORies
(Dark matter, parallel universes/Mutiverses) will be visualised on the
broadcast. WISH to watch? Be ready TV CHHANEL4 on CH30 - 560 MHz UK satellite
Sundays 19 December 2004 at 8pm (GMT) from . So don't miss that if you wish to
see those and tune your TV and satellite receivers.We are updattin our digital
reference LIBRARY and those Programmes will be avilable in Kutch Science
Foundatin DVD Library this SAWAN.(July August 2005).

      SPACE http://www.channel4.com/science/



      What We Still Don't Know What is the mysterious 'dark matter' that makes up
most of the Universe? Channel 4 Sundays 8pm
       WISH to watch? Be ready to watch TV CHANNEL4 on CH30 - 560 Mhz UK
sattelite


http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/W/what_we_still_dont_know/index.html

      Sir Martin explores the possibility that life exists on planets beyond our
own.
             He unveils an unsettling scientific debate that has startling
consequences for
             us Earthlings. Do you believe in aliens? If not, a quick glance
through these pages might change your mind!     Everything you thought you knew
about the universe is wrong. It's made of atoms, right? Wrong. Atoms only
account for a measly 15% of everything that exists. The mass of the universe
consists of something so mysterious and elusive that it has been dubbed 'dark
matter'.
                There is a fundamental chasm in our understanding of ourselves,
the universe, and everything. To solve this, Sir Martin takes us on a
mind-boggling journey through multiple universes to post-biological life. On the
way we learn of the disturbing possibility that we could be the product of
someone else's experiment.




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#159 From: "kutchScience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:13 am
Subject:: Re: Doubt Comet - why is it the case tht we r able to observe ion tail so prominently
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Subject: Re: Doubt Comet - why is it the case tht we r able to observe ion tail
so prominently


Dear Science and Astronomy friends,




What may be the situation if the COMET is passing from inside EARTH orbit during
its perihelion , while coming / going back? will tail be in Our Earths
direction? if the Situation is like that! and In above case also we will be able
to see the ion tail (even both tails) also when Comet is away from Earths
orbital distance.

In early Sixties Earth Moved through the comet tail and so we seen comet twice
in a day - Morning a tail of the comet and Head in the evening after sun set.
The effects of Ion tail is always disputable and disputed as none can be proved
as science has not any way to prove as many of dispute can not be solved by
science. - eg even Mobile phone microwave and its effects! Many Q has to be
answered before we can conclude any thing about that complicated problems.

Few of such Questions are here to be answered  before we can

1) If Comet tail is bombarded by Solar wind +ve ly charged particles, does the
Ion tail of comet has a positive charge?
2) what is the effect of +ve ly charged particle on the live cells of Life -
plant life / animal life?

2a) Botanical experiments of plant Cell chloroplasts (under microscope
experiments) suggests those chloroplasts move in one particular direction when
under sun light reflected from the microscope mirror. as it gets Photonic energy
as an -ve electronic energy source from the SUN.
2b) When Sun light is obstructed Cell chloroplasts stops moving and on exposure
of light starts moving again in same direction.

3) What will happen if +ve ly charged particles are bombarded on those
chloroplasts ? Will they move in opposite directions ( definitely not ) or will
the chloroplasts activity will be hampered and the loosing the power of
chloroplast activity? (protons are harmful for life /cells as proton bombs can
Kill all live vegetations and life form this life ) also Solar wind is as harm
full to life and we are protected by Earth magnetic from the dangers of  + ve ly
charged SOLAR WIND.

4) If Comet tail is bombarded by Solar wind +ve ly charged particles, does the
Ion tail of comet has a positive charge?  what are the effects of Positively
charged ION tail of COMET when earth pass through, DO NOT WORRY THAT A VERY VERY
THIN tail and concentration is just negligible and we are protected by earths
magnetic field as well , it just looks so from far away and shining by sun light
as if florescent.
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Q: In case of Comet Machholz......both the tails r visible comet path is such
tht when it reaches perihelion,  it is almost at opposition as seen from
earth.......
   so in tht case ion tail should have been on the other side of comet  why is it
the case tht we r able to observe ion tail so prominently?



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#158 From: "kutchScience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:03 pm
Subject:: It is very easy to JUST Nag any one, or contradict ones opinions, but its very difficult to give evidence against for such a contradiction
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To Dear Science, geology and astronomy friends,

It is very easy to JUST Nag any one, or contradict ones opinions, (it may be
possible both the contradicting side may not have any proofs too - eg Expanding
/ nonexpanding Universe/Multiverse),  but its very difficult to give evidence
against for such a contradiction. (When the Human was existing? EVOLUTION /
CREATION !)
But when One wish to give evidence against any popular beliefs - it will not be
an easy to be adopted and so also Scientist do afraid of those as well.
Not only the courage but the powerful knowledge is also equally required to
contradict and push new opinion/ theory /proofs  to others.

Dr Patrick Moore saying "Recently Hubble found an object which is 300 000
Million LY year away" but not openly accepted/ nor officially declared.
That may be the reason that his statements do not go in dustbin just by
contradicting the major adapted theories.

Recently Hubble found an object which is 300 000 Million LY year away = 300 000
000 000 = 300 Bn Ly years away means now our universe is 300 BN years Old and
not 13 Bn as thought few days ago - so enjoy now. watch
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml dated
5th April and watch Watch Online  and hear

May of such Go openly to contradict those theories and few are such here for -
contradicting the palaeontologists/geologist and even Creation / Evolution and
UNIVERSE/ Multiverse.

according to the theory of everything it explains (Strings of Energy) it self
says that it can not give any proof but just some understanding to understand
the universe (Actually Mutiverse - pulsatile parallel mutiverse). and which type
of those (all such string energy released - NO SOURCE are defined) give the
matter and which one gives an anti matter. As one +ve string gives matter and
the other one an antimatter.

No one tried to prove that again as its has no proofs too. and that is also one
way thinking as we are aware of that part of understanding only and not the
OTHER side of the THAT COIN. - if we think other way we can use that to create
Matter from the energy as below!! (but that is not possible and so equation
remains without proofs and solutions) may be we need to look in to the NEW
THEORIEs of the theory  of the EVERY THING - of strings (strings of Energy -
SHAKTI) which science says has NO PROOFs and no way to realise that!! so no need
to "How " & "Why",
This may be of of ones interest to read:
http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/index.html &
http://www.edconrad.com/oldascoal/page2.html



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#157 From: "kutchScience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Wed Dec 8, 2004 5:45 pm
Subject:: Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon
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Though the event was in day time in India , but did any one attempted in day
time to visualise or photographic capture in camera with help of Telescope or
Binocular?

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  From: HPatel63 kutchscience To: astronomyclubindia
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:14 PM
  Subject: BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon Events for Tuesday
07 Dec 2004 10:39
13:36  Moon sets
13:37 Jupiter sets

Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon

Date (UT)           Separation   Dist (AU)  Dec       El
---------           ----------   ---------  ---       --
2004 Dec 07 (10:39 UT = 16:09 IST)   0° 20' 37"  5.8544     -04° 30'  61.4°

Events for Saturday 04 Dec 2004
Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon 2004 Dec 07 (10:39 UT = 16:09 IST for
5 hours but  MOON AND JUPITER will not rise during this time. So  conjuction
time fall in DAY TIME in INDIA but you may see planets in deam day light - or by
telescope

18:09 Sun sets
  So conjuction time fall in DAY TIME in INDIA but you may see planets in deam
day light - or by telescope

Hope u read This but those timings are for USA and by that time INDIA WIll have
a day

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/29nov_moonjupiter.htm?friend




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#156 From: "sciencegroupindia" <sciencegroupindia@...>
Date:: Wed Dec 8, 2004 5:29 pm
Subject:: BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon
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Dear Science and Astronomy friends,

Though the event was in day time in India , but did any one
attempted in day time to visualise or photographic capture in camera
with help of Telescope or Binocular?

Dr Bhudia.

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<kutchscience@h...> wrote:
> From: HPatel63 kutchscience To: astronomyclubindia
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:14 PM
> Subject: BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon Events
for Tuesday 07 Dec 2004 10:39

> 13:36  Moon sets
> 13:37 Jupiter sets
>
> BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon
>
> Date (UT)           Separation   Dist (AU)  Dec       El
> ---------           ----------   ---------  ---       --
> 2004 Dec 07 (10:39 UT = 16:09 IST)   0° 20' 37"  5.8544     -04°
30'  61.4°
>
> Events for Saturday 04 Dec 2004
> BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon 2004 Dec 07
(10:39 UT = 16:09 IST for 5 hours but  MOON AND JUPITER will not
rise during this time. So conjuction time fall in DAY TIME in INDIA
but you may see planets in deam day light - or by telescope
>
> 18:09 Sun sets
> So conjuction time fall in DAY TIME in INDIA but you may see
planets in deam day light - or by telescope
>
> Hope u read This but those timings are for USA and by that time
INDIA WIll have a day
>
> http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/29nov_moonjupiter.htm?
friend
>
> By Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of INDIA.
> http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/
> President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
> Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
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#155 From: "kutchScience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Sat Dec 4, 2004 2:38 pm
Subject:: Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon Events for Tuesday 07 Dec 2004 10:39
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Subject: BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon Events for Tuesday 07
Dec 2004 10:39


10:37 UT = 16:07 IST?
Events for Tuesday 07 Dec 2004

01:54 Moon rises
02:20 Jupiter rises

Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon

Date (UT)           Separation   Dist (AU)  Dec       El
---------           ----------               ---------      ---       --
2004 Dec 07   10:39           0° 20' 37"  5.8544     -04° 30'  61.4°

13:36  Moon sets
13:37 Jupiter sets

BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon

Date (UT)           Separation   Dist (AU)  Dec       El
---------           ----------   ---------  ---       --
2004 Dec 07 (10:39 UT = 16:09 IST)   0° 20' 37"  5.8544     -04° 30'  61.4°

Events for Saturday 04 Dec 2004

03:00 Jupiter rises
05:13 Venus rises
05:19 Mars rises
06:56 Start of civil twilight
07:21 Sun rises
08:23 Mercury rises
10:36 Saturn sets
12:56 Moon sets
14:48 Jupiter sets
16:28 Mars sets
16:28 Venus sets
BHUJ - Conjunction in RA between Jupiter and Moon 2004 Dec 07 (10:39 UT = 16:09
IST for 5 hours but  MOON AND JUPITER will not rise during this time. So
conjuction time fall in DAY TIME in INDIA but you may see planets in deam day
light - or by telescope

18:09 Sun sets
18:33 End of civil twilight
18:59 Mercury sets
19:01 End of nautical twilight
19:29 End of astronomical twilight
21:15 Saturn rises
So conjuction time fall in DAY TIME in INDIA but you may see planets in deam day
light - or by telescope

Hope u read This but those timings are for USA and by that time INDIA WIll have
a day

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/29nov_moonjupiter.htm?friend

Lunar Occultation of Jupiter: Dec. 7, 2004 for USA but those timings are for USA
and by that time INDIA WIll have a day
City Jupiter disappears Jupiter reappears Altitude of the Moon
Atlanta, GA 3:54:59 EST  4:52:39 EST 16o to 27o
Chicago, IL  2:50:00 CST  3:54:10 CST 10o to 21o
Dallas, TX 2:56:18 CST  3:37:06 CST 6o to 14o
Miami, FL  4:14:59 EST  4:45:35 EST 26o to 32o
New Orleans, LA 3:02:39 CST  3:38:04 CST 14o to 21o
New York, NY 3:56:23 EST 5:05:51 EST 21o to 32o
San Juan, PR 5:37:20 AST 6:14:33 AST 45o to 53o
St. Louis, MO 2:48:49 CST  3:50:35 CST 9o to 20o
Toronto, ON  3:53:57 EST 5:00:21 EST 16o to 26o
Washington, DC  3:54:29 EST 5:03:17 EST 19o to 31o

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#154 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:23 pm
Subject:: Re: landing of ma on moon:a fraud???---
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Dear Science and Astronomy friends,

What ever shown for the mon landing eveidence is not always the truth, it was
just shown what they wished to show us. SO IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY CONCLUSIVE /
ones belief and if it was shown the right things then we can discuss that, was
that wrong or right , there are some discussions with Patrick Moor on SKY @
NIGHT discussions and can be watched achieves on line.

BUT it definitely a lessons to one who blindly JUST NAGS to every one follows
blindly to NASA  - and copy what they say and do not utilise their own. Why they
try to MOON landing again and again very soon?

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Date:: Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:33 pm
Subject:: Read Good results : Antibiotic halves HIV/Aids deaths http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4021887.stm
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Giving HIV-positive children a cheap antibiotic could nearly halve the death
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#152 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:59 pm
Subject:: 'Original' great ape discovered' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4014351.stm
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Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:48 PM
Subject: 'Original' great ape discovered'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4014351.stm

Dear editorials, Science and Geologist friends,

Many doubts were raised when ETV and Bombay SAMACHAR broadcasted the following
news, with doubt that the PURVA - Aadi MANAV ancestor was not existing at that
time but now the skeleton evidence came out today that the ancestor missing link
was there at that time before (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago) between 11 and
16 million years ago. The partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old "missing
link" was found by palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in
Spain.

That time matches with the Rameshwarm bridge and RAMAVATAR and Koteshwar -
RAVANa History (Tretauga), means Formation of MONKEY and Apes army formation by
DEVAs. that will rule out all the doubts raised for the PURVA - Aadi MANAV.

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:29 AM
Subject: The print is about 17 inches long and does look like a normal human
footprint.


GUJARATI http://www.bombaysamachar.com/20040814/desh04.htm  DETAILS ARE in News
Prints
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kutchScience/message/123
Some Geologist do disagree with the human footprints in Older layers but they
need to understand the later formations, on the layer of old fossilated layers
which are indistiguisable from the newly formed layers at the same place. (read
below)

Hominid Foot prints found in older layers may have been formed later in the
geological process but the study of Photomicrographs and infrared photography is
required so that to eliminate that there were no signs of carving or artificial
markings in or around the prints. A study of microscopic count of sand grains is
ralso required so indicating that the material within the prints had been
impacted, and created as the result of a force pressing down on the firmament
while it was soft. These facts show that the prints were made by the natural
result of pressure from the human foot, and in no way could have been duplicated
by carving. The rock in which the prints were discovered was estimated to be 100
million years old. In recent years, the prints may have been stolen by "thieves
and vandals."
so POP moulds has been prepared and saved, also a portion has been damaged while
removing POP moulds in parts from the print fossile. Many geologist did visited
the place secretely when no other one was there!

Distictive features of the Hominid foot prints.
1) Impresion of distinctive head of First metatarsal of right foot with very
wel-marked all toes.
2) Impresion of distinctive lost planter arch suggesting flat footed heavy
weight,
3) wel proportionate size (wide- long ) and toes impressions
4) many prints are worn out and some of diff sizes and different directions too
5) welmarked foot print size 43Cm - can suggest Body height of about 9 feet
jiant's HOMINID foot print.

Those who do not have sufficient knowledge, do disagree with views,  Many doubts
that this is not called the fossil.  and many say that layers are too old and
human was not there. but is the Human evolution time scale is adaquate? Man made
structures under sea in the Rameshwaram to shriLanka do stand in favour of the
Human activity long before, if that was RAMA time was RAVAN there and was
history of KOTESHWAR formation correct. then human evolution and Darvin may be
INCORRECT or just a guess and Human evolution history should be written in
correct way and order as western world is unaware of these VEDIC science and so
predict wrong way.

Phase Two Fossils: Burroughs Conjecture
The most cogent explanation of anomalous fossil footprints is perhaps offered by
Dr. William Greely Burroughs, of Berea College in Kentucky. Dr. Burroughs
conjecture is that a depression  in fossil-bearing rock may, long after the
original fossils have been formed, be filled with a sediment that in its turn
may also become the medium in which the impression of a footprint or the body of
a creature is fossilized. When this second period of fossilization is complete
the newly formed rock may be indistinguishable from the older formation, and the
new fossils may appear to have formed at the same time as those which are much
older. Thus, several fossilization processes may wind up looking like a
footprint made at the same time. This is undoubtebly the case in many instances,
but the theory is lacking in several respects. Firstly, fossilized human
footprints have been found deep within rocks that show no evidence of
discontinuous formation, not just at the junction of sedimentary layers.
Secondly, out of place fossils are often inconsistent not only with the ages of
associated fossils but also with the rock strata and the age conventionally
ascribed to them.

A large stone bearing the perfect imprint of a human foot 14 1/2 inches long was
shown to members of the Ohio State Academy of science in 1896. The stone slab
had been dug from the ground in a hill four miles north of Parkersburg, West
Virginia some 20 years earlier.


The American Anthropologist, February 1896, p.66

'Original' great ape discovered :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4014351.stm

Scientists have unearthed remains of a primate that could have been ancestral
not only to humans but to all great apes, including chimps and gorillas. The
partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old "missing link" was found by
palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in Spain. Details of the
sensational discovery appear in Science magazine. The new specimen was probably
male, a fruit-eater and was slightly smaller than a chimpanzee, researchers say.


       The fossil has been described as a "missing link"  It's very impressive
because of its completeness



Palaeontologists were just getting started at the dig when a bulldozer churned
up a tooth. Further investigation yielded one of the most complete ape skeletons
known from the Miocene Epoch (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago). Salvador
Moyà-Solà of the Miquel Crusafont Institute of Palaeontology in Barcelona and
colleagues subsequently found parts of the skull, ribcage, spine, hands and
feet, along with other bones. They have assigned it to an entirely new family
and species: Pierolapithecus catalaunicus.

Monkey business

Great apes are thought - on the basis of genetic and other evidence - to have
separated from another primate group known as the lesser apes some time between
11 and 16 million years ago (The lesser apes include gibbons and siamang). It is
fascinating, therefore, for a specimen like Pierolapithecus to turn up right in
this window.

Scientists think the creature lived after the lesser apes went their own
evolutionary way, but before the great apes began their own diversification into
different forms such as orang-utans, gorillas, chimps and, of course, humans.
"Pierolapithecus probably is, or is very close to, the last common ancestor of
great apes and humans," said Professor Moyà-Solà.


The new ape's ribcage, lower spine and wrist display signs of specialised
climbing abilities that link it with modern great apes, say the researchers.
The overall orthograde - or upright - body design of this animal and modern-day
great apes is thought to be an adaptation to vertical climbing and suspending
the body from branches. The Miocene ape fossil record is patchy; so finding such
a complete fossil from this time period is unprecedented. "It's very impressive
because of its completeness," David Begun, professor of palaeoanthropology at
the University of Toronto, Canada, told the BBC News website. "I think the
authors are right that it fills a gap between the first apes to arrive in Europe
and the fossil apes that more closely resemble those living today."

Planet of the apes

Other scientists working on fossil apes were delighted by the discovery. But not
all were convinced by the conclusions drawn by the Spanish researchers.
Professor Begun considers it unlikely that Pierolapithecus was ancestral to
orang-utans. "I haven't seen the original fossils. But there are four or five
important features of the face, in particular, that seem to be closer to African
apes," he explained. "To me the possibility exists that it is already on the
evolutionary line to African apes and humans."


Professor David Pilbeam, director of the Peadbody Museum in Cambridge, US, was
even more sceptical about the relationship of Pierolapithecus to modern great
apes: "To me it's a very long stretch to link this to any of the living apes,"
he told the BBC News website. "I think it's unlikely that you would find
relatives of the apes that live today in equatorial Africa and Asia up in
Europe. "But it's interesting in that it appears to show some adaptations
towards having a trunk that's upright because it's suspending itself [from
branches]. "It also has some features that show quadrupedal (four-legged)
behaviour. Not quadrupedal in the way chimps or gorillas are, but more in the
way that monkeys are - putting their fingers down flat," he explained. During
the Miocene, Earth really was the planet of the apes. As many as 100 different
ape species roamed the Old World, from France to China in Eurasia and from Kenya
to Namibia in Africa.


By Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of INDIA.
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
kutchscience@..., kutchscience@...,
http://uk.geocities.com/wildlifeofkutch/


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#151 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:51 pm
Subject:: Hominid (PURVa MANAV- Aadi MANAV) foot prints is about 17 inches long and does look like a normal human footprint.
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Dear editorials, Science and Geologist friends,

Many doubts were raised when ETV and Bombay SAMACHAR broadcasted the following
news, with doubt that the PURVA - Aadi MANAV ancestor was not existing at that
time but now the skeleton evidence came out today that the ancestor missing link
was there at that time before (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago) between 11 and
16 million years ago. The partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old "missing
link" was found by palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in
Spain.

That time matches with the Rameshwarm bridge and RAMAVATAR and Koteshwar -
RAVANa History (Tretauga), means Formation of MONKEY and Apes army formation by
DEVAs. that will rule out all the doubts raised for the PURVA - Aadi MANAV.

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:29 AM
Subject: The print is about 17 inches long and does look like a normal human
footprint.


GUJARATI http://www.bombaysamachar.com/20040814/desh04.htm  DETAILS ARE in News
Prints
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kutchScience/message/123
Some Geologist do disagree with the human footprints in Older layers but they
need to understand the later formations, on the layer of old fossilated layers
which are indistiguisable from the newly formed layers at the same place. (read
below)

Hominid Foot prints found in older layers may have been formed later in the
geological process but the study of Photomicrographs and infrared photography is
required so that to eliminate that there were no signs of carving or artificial
markings in or around the prints. A study of microscopic count of sand grains is
ralso required so indicating that the material within the prints had been
impacted, and created as the result of a force pressing down on the firmament
while it was soft. These facts show that the prints were made by the natural
result of pressure from the human foot, and in no way could have been duplicated
by carving. The rock in which the prints were discovered was estimated to be 100
million years old. In recent years, the prints may have been stolen by "thieves
and vandals."
so POP moulds has been prepared and saved, also a portion has been damaged while
removing POP moulds in parts from the print fossile. Many geologist did visited
the place secretely when no other one was there!

Distictive features of the Hominid foot prints.
1) Impresion of distinctive head of First metatarsal of right foot with very
wel-marked all toes.
2) Impresion of distinctive lost planter arch suggesting flat footed heavy
weight,
3) wel proportionate size (wide- long ) and toes impressions
4) many prints are worn out and some of diff sizes and different directions too
5) welmarked foot print size 43Cm - can suggest Body height of about 9 feet
jiant's HOMINID foot print.

Those who do not have sufficient knowledge, do disagree with views,  Many doubts
that this is not called the fossil.  and many say that layers are too old and
human was not there. but is the Human evolution time scale is adaquate? Man made
structures under sea in the Rameshwaram to shriLanka do stand in favour of the
Human activity long before, if that was RAMA time was RAVAN there and was
history of KOTESHWAR formation correct. then human evolution and Darvin may be
INCORRECT or just a guess and Human evolution history should be written in
correct way and order as western world is unaware of these VEDIC science and so
predict wrong way.

Phase Two Fossils: Burroughs Conjecture
The most cogent explanation of anomalous fossil footprints is perhaps offered by
Dr. William Greely Burroughs, of Berea College in Kentucky. Dr. Burroughs
conjecture is that a depression  in fossil-bearing rock may, long after the
original fossils have been formed, be filled with a sediment that in its turn
may also become the medium in which the impression of a footprint or the body of
a creature is fossilized. When this second period of fossilization is complete
the newly formed rock may be indistinguishable from the older formation, and the
new fossils may appear to have formed at the same time as those which are much
older. Thus, several fossilization processes may wind up looking like a
footprint made at the same time. This is undoubtebly the case in many instances,
but the theory is lacking in several respects. Firstly, fossilized human
footprints have been found deep within rocks that show no evidence of
discontinuous formation, not just at the junction of sedimentary layers.
Secondly, out of place fossils are often inconsistent not only with the ages of
associated fossils but also with the rock strata and the age conventionally
ascribed to them.

A large stone bearing the perfect imprint of a human foot 14 1/2 inches long was
shown to members of the Ohio State Academy of science in 1896. The stone slab
had been dug from the ground in a hill four miles north of Parkersburg, West
Virginia some 20 years earlier.


The American Anthropologist, February 1896, p.66

'Original' great ape discovered :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4014351.stm

Scientists have unearthed remains of a primate that could have been ancestral
not only to humans but to all great apes, including chimps and gorillas. The
partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old "missing link" was found by
palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in Spain. Details of the
sensational discovery appear in Science magazine. The new specimen was probably
male, a fruit-eater and was slightly smaller than a chimpanzee, researchers say.


       The fossil has been described as a "missing link"  It's very impressive
because of its completeness



Palaeontologists were just getting started at the dig when a bulldozer churned
up a tooth. Further investigation yielded one of the most complete ape skeletons
known from the Miocene Epoch (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago). Salvador
Moyà-Solà of the Miquel Crusafont Institute of Palaeontology in Barcelona and
colleagues subsequently found parts of the skull, ribcage, spine, hands and
feet, along with other bones. They have assigned it to an entirely new family
and species: Pierolapithecus catalaunicus.

Monkey business

Great apes are thought - on the basis of genetic and other evidence - to have
separated from another primate group known as the lesser apes some time between
11 and 16 million years ago (The lesser apes include gibbons and siamang). It is
fascinating, therefore, for a specimen like Pierolapithecus to turn up right in
this window.

Scientists think the creature lived after the lesser apes went their own
evolutionary way, but before the great apes began their own diversification into
different forms such as orang-utans, gorillas, chimps and, of course, humans.
"Pierolapithecus probably is, or is very close to, the last common ancestor of
great apes and humans," said Professor Moyà-Solà.


The new ape's ribcage, lower spine and wrist display signs of specialised
climbing abilities that link it with modern great apes, say the researchers.
The overall orthograde - or upright - body design of this animal and modern-day
great apes is thought to be an adaptation to vertical climbing and suspending
the body from branches. The Miocene ape fossil record is patchy; so finding such
a complete fossil from this time period is unprecedented. "It's very impressive
because of its completeness," David Begun, professor of palaeoanthropology at
the University of Toronto, Canada, told the BBC News website. "I think the
authors are right that it fills a gap between the first apes to arrive in Europe
and the fossil apes that more closely resemble those living today."

Planet of the apes

Other scientists working on fossil apes were delighted by the discovery. But not
all were convinced by the conclusions drawn by the Spanish researchers.
Professor Begun considers it unlikely that Pierolapithecus was ancestral to
orang-utans. "I haven't seen the original fossils. But there are four or five
important features of the face, in particular, that seem to be closer to African
apes," he explained. "To me the possibility exists that it is already on the
evolutionary line to African apes and humans."


Professor David Pilbeam, director of the Peadbody Museum in Cambridge, US, was
even more sceptical about the relationship of Pierolapithecus to modern great
apes: "To me it's a very long stretch to link this to any of the living apes,"
he told the BBC News website. "I think it's unlikely that you would find
relatives of the apes that live today in equatorial Africa and Asia up in
Europe. "But it's interesting in that it appears to show some adaptations
towards having a trunk that's upright because it's suspending itself [from
branches]. "It also has some features that show quadrupedal (four-legged)
behaviour. Not quadrupedal in the way chimps or gorillas are, but more in the
way that monkeys are - putting their fingers down flat," he explained. During
the Miocene, Earth really was the planet of the apes. As many as 100 different
ape species roamed the Old World, from France to China in Eurasia and from Kenya
to Namibia in Africa.


By Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of INDIA.
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
kutchscience@..., kutchscience@...,
http://uk.geocities.com/wildlifeofkutch/


http://www.geocities.com/kutchscience
http://profiles.yahoo.com/kutchscience2000
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#150 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:48 pm
Subject:: 'Original' great ape discovered' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4014351.stm
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'Original' great ape discovered :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4014351.stm

Scientists have unearthed remains of a primate that could have been ancestral
not only to humans but to all great apes, including chimps and gorillas. The
partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old "missing link" was found by
palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in Spain. Details of the
sensational discovery appear in Science magazine. The new specimen was probably
male, a fruit-eater and was slightly smaller than a chimpanzee, researchers say.


       The fossil has been described as a "missing link"  It's very impressive
because of its completeness


Palaeontologists were just getting started at the dig when a bulldozer churned
up a tooth. Further investigation yielded one of the most complete ape skeletons
known from the Miocene Epoch (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago). Salvador
Moyà-Solà of the Miquel Crusafont Institute of Palaeontology in Barcelona and
colleagues subsequently found parts of the skull, ribcage, spine, hands and
feet, along with other bones. They have assigned it to an entirely new family
and species: Pierolapithecus catalaunicus.

Monkey business

Great apes are thought - on the basis of genetic and other evidence - to have
separated from another primate group known as the lesser apes some time between
11 and 16 million years ago (The lesser apes include gibbons and siamang). It is
fascinating, therefore, for a specimen like Pierolapithecus to turn up right in
this window.

Scientists think the creature lived after the lesser apes went their own
evolutionary way, but before the great apes began their own diversification into
different forms such as orang-utans, gorillas, chimps and, of course, humans.
"Pierolapithecus probably is, or is very close to, the last common ancestor of
great apes and humans," said Professor Moyà-Solà.


The new ape's ribcage, lower spine and wrist display signs of specialised
climbing abilities that link it with modern great apes, say the researchers.
The overall orthograde - or upright - body design of this animal and modern-day
great apes is thought to be an adaptation to vertical climbing and suspending
the body from branches. The Miocene ape fossil record is patchy; so finding such
a complete fossil from this time period is unprecedented. "It's very impressive
because of its completeness," David Begun, professor of palaeoanthropology at
the University of Toronto, Canada, told the BBC News website. "I think the
authors are right that it fills a gap between the first apes to arrive in Europe
and the fossil apes that more closely resemble those living today."

Planet of the apes

Other scientists working on fossil apes were delighted by the discovery. But not
all were convinced by the conclusions drawn by the Spanish researchers.
Professor Begun considers it unlikely that Pierolapithecus was ancestral to
orang-utans. "I haven't seen the original fossils. But there are four or five
important features of the face, in particular, that seem to be closer to African
apes," he explained. "To me the possibility exists that it is already on the
evolutionary line to African apes and humans."


Professor David Pilbeam, director of the Peadbody Museum in Cambridge, US, was
even more sceptical about the relationship of Pierolapithecus to modern great
apes: "To me it's a very long stretch to link this to any of the living apes,"
he told the BBC News website. "I think it's unlikely that you would find
relatives of the apes that live today in equatorial Africa and Asia up in
Europe. "But it's interesting in that it appears to show some adaptations
towards having a trunk that's upright because it's suspending itself [from
branches]. "It also has some features that show quadrupedal (four-legged)
behaviour. Not quadrupedal in the way chimps or gorillas are, but more in the
way that monkeys are - putting their fingers down flat," he explained. During
the Miocene, Earth really was the planet of the apes. As many as 100 different
ape species roamed the Old World, from France to China in Eurasia and from Kenya
to Namibia in Africa.



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Date:: Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:32 pm
Subject:: Computer use link to eye disease http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4008185.stm
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Heavy computer use could be linked to glaucoma,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4008185.stm especially among those who are
short-sighted, fear researchers. Radiation dose never been friendly to us ! Do
they? it was just kept away from discloser.

Glaucoma is caused by increased fluid pressure within the eye compressing the
nerves at the back, which can lead to blindness if not treated. The findings,
published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, are based on
10,000 Japanese workers. The authors and experts recommend more research,
particularly because being short-sighted is a known glaucoma risk.

Eye strain

Dr Masayuki Tatemichi, from Toho University School of Medicine, and his
colleagues tested the sight of workers in four different Japanese companies,
employing over 5,000 people each. The employees were asked to complete
questionnaires about their computer use, both at home and at work, and any
history of eye disease. The researchers then divided the employees according to
how much they used a computer, labelling them light, medium or heavy users.
Computer use was categorised in four blocks of five years, ranging from less
than five years to more than 20 years, as well as four blocks of the average
amount of time spent at the screen per session, ranging from less than one hour
to more than eight hours at a time.

Those classified as heavy users tended to be men and younger. Overall, 522
(5.1%) of the employees were found to have visual field abnormalities. Workers
who were classified as heavy computer users were more likely to be long-sighted
(hypermetropia) or short-sighted (myopia). Around a third (165) of these workers
had suspected glaucoma. Upon further analysis, heavy computer use, suspected
glaucoma and short-sightedness appeared to be interlinked. The authors do not
know why this might be, but believe it could be that short-sighted people are
more susceptible to computer use-related eye strain. Glaucoma is the most
important cause of irreversible blindness worldwide, affecting more than 500,000
people in the UK alone. Compounded by the fact that more and more people are
using computers, the researchers said: "In the next decade, therefore, it might
be important for public health professionals to show more concern about myopia
and visual field abnormalities in heavy computer users."

More research

But they said their findings needed confirming because the study included mainly
men and the refractive errors (which indicate how short- or long-sighted someone
is) were not measured officially. Nick Astbury, president of the Royal College
of Ophthalmologists, pointed out that Japanese populations have a high
prevalence of myopia anyway and that short-sightedness is a known risk factor
for glaucoma.  "I doubt whether staring at computers makes any difference," he
said. David Wright, chief executive of the International Glaucoma Association,
said: "There may be a risk in heavy use of computer equipment.

"It would be wise for anyone involved in such heavy usage to ensure that they
receive regular comprehensive eye examinations in order to detect the earliest
possible signs of the development of glaucoma when treatment is most effective."
He said three eye tests should be carried out to check for glaucoma:
ophthalmoscopy (a visual examination of the optic disc), tonometry (a
measurement of pressure in the eye) and perimetry (which checks for visual field
anomalies). "It will be important to follow this study with further research in
other ethnic populations in order to establish the complete validity of this
initial indication of a potential problem and also to address the ethnic risk
factors should the evidence add to the Japanese report," he said.


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Date:: Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:14 pm
Subject:: Wish you all A very happy Diwali and a very prosparous New year
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Date:: Tue Nov 9, 2004 1:18 pm
Subject:: Conjunction in longitude between Venus and Moon - BOMBAY First 4:37 AM Last: 5:32
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Conjunction in longitude between Venus and Moon



Date (UT)                  Dec       El
---------                   ----------   ---------   BOMBAY First 4:37 AM  Last:
5:32
  2004 Nov 10         -04° 09'  33.4°






Events for Wednesday 10 Nov 2004

04:11 Jupiter rises

04:30 Moon rises

04:33 Venus rises

05:37 Mars rises

07:01 Sun rises

08:35 Mercury rises

10:28 Venus transits the meridian

10:35 Moon transits the meridian

12:08 Saturn sets

16:05 Jupiter sets

16:24 Venus sets

16:34 Moon sets

17:05 Mars sets

18:07 Sun sets

19:13 Mercury sets

22:47 Saturn rises



Information about Moon for 10 Nov 2004 04:31:31

Local Information

Apparent topocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:

Declination: -4° 1' 9.4"

Constellation: Virgo

Altitude: 0° 0' 43"

Azimuth: 94° 7' 55"

Rise: 4h 30m 18s

Transit: 10h 34m 50s

Set: 16h 33m 51s

Star atlas chart numbers:

Herald-Bobroff Astroatlas, Chart C-47

Millennium Star Atlas, Charts 795-796 (Vol II)

Sky Atlas 2000.0, Chart 14

Uranometria 2000 Chart 239, Vol 1 and 2

Geocentric Information

Apparent geocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:

Right ascension: 12h 51m 17.821s

Declination: -3° 38' 22.97"

True distance: 377400.0 Km

Horizontal parallax: 3486.08"

Physical Information

Magnitude: -7.2

Phase: 0.089

Phase angle: 145.2°

Elongation: 34.7°

Diameter: 1900.20"

Light time: 0h 0m 1.3s

Mass: 7.3483e+022 kg (0.0123 x Earth)

Mean equatorial radius: 1734.4 km (0.2719 x Earth)

Maximum angular diameter: 1864.2"

Minimum geocentric distance: 0.00257 AU

Geometric flattening: 0

Sidereal rotation period: 27d 7h 43m 11s

Mean density: 3.34 g/cm^3

Geometric albedo: 0.12



Information about Venus for 10 Nov 2004 04:31:31

Local Information

Apparent topocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:

Declination: -4° 6' 15.0"

Constellation: Virgo

Altitude: -0° 53' 16"

Azimuth: 94° 5' 5"

Rise: 4h 32m 55s

Transit: 10h 28m 29s

Set: 16h 23m 41s

Star atlas chart numbers:

Herald-Bobroff Astroatlas, Chart C-47

Millennium Star Atlas, Charts 795-796 (Vol II)

Sky Atlas 2000.0, Chart 14

Uranometria 2000 Chart 239, Vol 1 and 2

Geocentric Information

Apparent geocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:

Right ascension: 12h 56m 8.194s

Declination: -4° 6' 12.35"

True distance: 1.2943246 AU (194 million km)

Horizontal parallax: 6.79"

Heliocentric Information

Ecliptic coordinates for the epoch of date:

Ecliptic longitude: 145° 6' 31.3"

Ecliptic latitude: +3° 9' 23.4"

Radius vector: 0.7185497 AU (107 million km)

Physical Information

Magnitude: -4.0

Phase: 0.826

Phase angle: 49.4°

Elongation: 33.4°

Diameter: 12.89"

Light time: 0h 10m 45.8s

Position angle of the bright limb: 115.4°

Mass: 4.8690e+024 kg (0.815 x Earth)

Mean equatorial radius: 6051.8 km (0.9488 x Earth)

Maximum angular diameter: 60.2"

Minimum geocentric distance: 0.277 AU

Geometric flattening: 0

Sidereal rotation period: 243d 0h 26m 56s (retrograde)

Mean density: 5.24 g/cm^3

Geometric albedo: 0.65





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Date:: Fri Nov 5, 2004 9:38 pm
Subject:: Doubts over blood pressure drug Atenolol in hypertension: is it a wise choice? http://www.thelancet.com/search/search.isa
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Doubts over blood pressure drug http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3981935.stm A
drug commonly prescribed to lower blood pressure is not be effective in reducing
cardiovascular deaths and heart attacks, research suggests.

Lancet 2004; 364: 1684-89  ( Atenolol in hypertension: is it a wise choice? )
http://www.thelancet.com/search/search.isa

Department of Public Health and Clinical Medicine, Umeå University Hospital, SE
901 85 Umeå, Sweden (B Carlberg MD, Prof L H Lindholm MD); and Department of
Nephrology, Sahlgrenska University Hospital, Göteborg, Sweden (O Samuelsson MD)

Correspondence to: Prof Lars H Lindholm LarsHLindholm@fammed. umu.se
       Summary




Background Atenolol is one of the most widely used ßblockers clinically, and has
often been used as a reference drug in randomised controlled trials of
hypertension. However, questions have been raised about atenolol as the best
reference drug for comparisons with other antihypertensives. Thus, our aim was
to systematically review the effect of atenolol on cardiovascular morbidity and
mortality in hypertensive patients.

Methods Reports were identified through searches of The Cochrane Library,
MEDLINE, relevant textbooks, and by personal communication with established
researchers in hypertension. Randomised controlled trials that assessed the
effect of atenolol on cardiovascular morbidity or mortality in patients with
primary hypertension were included.

Findings We identified four studies that compared atenolol with placebo or no
treatment, and five that compared atenolol with other antihypertensive drugs.
Despite major differences in blood pressure lowering, there were no outcome
differences between atenolol and placebo in the four studies, comprising 6825
patients, who were followed up for a mean of 4·6 years on all-cause mortality
(relative risk 1·01 [95% CI 0·89-1·15]), cardiovascular mortality (0·99
[0·83-1·18]), or myocardial infarction (0·99 [0·83-1·19]). The risk of stroke,
however, tended to be lower in the atenolol than in the placebo group (0·85
[0·72-1·01]). When atenolol was compared with other antihypertensives, there
were no major differences in blood pressure lowering between the treatment arms.
Our meta-analysis showed a significantly higher mortality (1·13 [1·02-1·25])
with atenolol treatment than with other active treatment, in the five studies
comprising 17671 patients who were followed up for a mean of 4·6 years.
Moreover, cardiovascular mortality also tended to be higher with atenolol
treatment than with other antihypertensive treatment. Stroke was also more
frequent with atenolol treatment.

Interpretation Our results cast doubts on atenolol as a suitable drug for
hypertensive patients. Moreover, they challenge the use of atenolol as a
reference drug in outcome trials in hypertension.

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Date:: Fri Nov 5, 2004 7:31 pm
Subject:: ANY further NEWS for meteors?
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Hi friends of Science and Astronomy,

ANY further NEWS for meteors?  Hope by now physical property test should have
been done by PRL. its LONG since last message on that.  What Was The  primary
test results for the selected meteors? Hope magnetic confirmation and specific
gravity results done before handing over to PRL to make sure. and part to be
sent to chemical analysis in elementary chemical lab.
thanks for your all support and good luck to you all.

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#144 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Wed Nov 3, 2004 10:41 am
Subject:: Arctic heads into warmer future ON http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3975805.stm
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Many fears are just hypothetical, as Melting Ice is a buffer and absorbs lot of
heat to buffer the increase of environmental temperature and also Arctic is
ocean and floating Icecaps - if those Melts sea level remain unchanged because
of malting that arctic icecaps. (Glass of FULL of Ice melts and never overflow).
As 3.5 km thick ice cap has melted of half of the thickness in last 70 years and
not overflow the Arctic , similarly will not happen in this century and Do not
worry LONDON will not be under water!!

Instead if Earth temperature goes down as in Global Ice theory - or as in ICE
age - may be after next 12-13 thousand years when earth axis tilt in opposite
direction will cool the earth such an extent that if SEA water freeze to
increase volume by 10% so as to push the flood water on the Earth's Land area in
the NORTH.

Arctic heads into warmer future @ 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3975805.stm

The Arctic is undergoing rapid and possibly irreversible change, according to a
new report prepared for the eight nations which rim the region. The Arctic
Climate Impact Assessment endorses recent warnings about melting ice, with
perhaps all ocean ice disappearing in summers by 2060-2100. The statement, to be
published next week, also highlights concerns about raised levels of ultraviolet
light. It says the coming years will challenge the region's ecosystems and
peoples.
The ACIA document recognises that the Arctic is warming twice as fast as the
rest of the planet. It records that permafrost is thawing, trees are moving
north and some species, such as polar bears, are having to adapt their ways to
survive the changing conditions.
Global impact

The report does not list simply the negatives that will come from a warmer
world. It also says agriculture may become easier in some areas, there should be
improved access to oil and gas deposits and new shipping lanes will open up. The
ACIA document is the work of about 250 scientists and six circumpolar indigenous
peoples' organisations and has taken four years to compile and has undergone a
rigorous peer-review process. It is perhaps the most detailed study ever of how
current warming trends are changing a single region of the Earth.


  What happens [in the Arctic] has important consequences for the rest of the
world :- Prof Terry Callaghan

It was commissioned by the Arctic Council, the intergovernmental forum for
countries with territories inside the region's 30 million square km: Canada,
Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Russia, Sweden and the US.
"The starting point for the assessment was the recognition that the Arctic was
vulnerable in many different ways to climate change, and also that the Arctic
played a fundamental role in regulating the Earth's climate," said Professor
Terry Callaghan, an Arctic ecologist who helped produce the assessment.
"What happens there is not just an isolated factor of local interest. What
happens there has important consequences for the rest of the world," the
researcher attached to the universities of Sheffield (UK) and Lund (Sweden) told
BBC News.
"There're vast stores of carbon in permafrost and in ocean sediments and if they
get warmer, they could significantly impact the rest of the world."
Model future

The report reviews current knowledge and considers "environmental, human health,
social, cultural and economic impacts and consequences, including policy
recommendations." Arctic sea ice has shrunk both in thickness and in extent.
Data collected by submarines shows there was about a 40% reduction in draught
between the 1960s and 1990s - by draught, researchers mean the ice that lies
between the surface of the ocean and the bottom of the ice pack. The melt seems
to have slowed somewhat in recent years and may slow further if a natural
climate phenomenon known as the Artic Oscillation switches its current phase and
prevents the drift of warmer waters into the region. Even so, says Professor
Peter Wadhams, an expert on Arctic sea ice, the trend will still be towards an
ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer months.

"The models give a spread of dates from about the 2060s and 2070s to 2100," the
polar ocean physicist from Cambridge University, UK, told BBC News. "There's
quite a big range of uncertainty but it should occur some time in the second
half of the century." He added: "In modelling, they're quite conservative; they
put in big error bars because they are concerned that there may be some new
physics that we don't know about." Ice reflects sunlight back into space. As it
disappears, the Earth will absorb more of the Sun's energy, so increasing the
rate of warming.

Carbon cuts

A warmer future will radically alter the ranges of the Arctic's animals and
plants. Currently, about 600 million birds are thought to breed annually in the
region. The Arctic's infrastructure will also have to be re-thought in some
instances. The foundations of some buildings will destabilise and vital winter
roads will become impassable as the permafrost melts. Campaign groups are
concerned the warnings in the report will be ignored by the Arctic Council
nations. The US, for example, has recently restated its opposition to the Kyoto
process to restrict emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2), the main human-produced
gas thought by many scientists to be warming the planet at an unnatural rate.
"The big melt has begun," said Nicola Saltman, climate change programme leader
at WWF.

"Life on Earth will change beyond recognition with the loss of the ice sheet at
the North Pole and higher sea levels threatening major global cities such as
London and other coastal communities. "This report shows that climate change is
happening now and highlights the urgent need for immediate action, starting with
the Arctic governments, who must reduce their CO2



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#143 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Tue Nov 2, 2004 7:50 am
Subject:: Pylons 'double child cancer risk' :- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3967073.stm
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       we have been writing since long for the risk of Pylons 'double child
cancer risk' but many governments just keep their eyes closed or under the
presure of the energy producers. But at what cost? Now it has been confirmed
thta Pylons 'double child cancer risk'


             The study looked high-voltage cables near children's homes
       Children living under high-voltage power lines could run double the risk
of getting cancer, new research reportedly suggests.
       Those living within 100 metres of the cables are more likely to suffer
from leukaemia, the study indicates.

       The Childhood Cancer Research Group at Oxford University studied 70,000
children under 15 for the Department of Health report, half of whom had cancer.

       The seven-year study is reported in the Times and the Independent
newspapers.

       The research looked at the prevalence of high-voltage power cables near
children's homes.

       'Surprising' results

       Children born or living near the power lines were 1.7 times more likely to
contract leukaemia than those in the control group, the research found.

       Some studies have already shown an association between some types of
electromagnetic fields and increased childhood leukaemia.

       Research author Dr Gerald Draper said other research suggested power lines
might account for 20 to 30 of 500 cases of childhood leukaemia each year.

       But, he said, his work indicated a far smaller number of cases were
affected.

       The findings were "surprising" and prompted further research, he added.

       The Department of Health said it would not comment on the findings until
Dr Draper submitted his final report.



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#142 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Mon Nov 1, 2004 11:10 am
Subject:: Subject: A meteor strike in Valsad
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Subject: Subject: A meteor strike in Valsad


Yes , very good enthusiasm for the meteors in Valsad, if there are not available
handy test for meteors at the moment, do not be dishearten, few of the tests are
handy and easy for primarily to sort out from ordinary stones.  (eg magnetic,
Specific gravity and chemical lab analysis of elements present and its
concentrations) if any doubt one can send small part of it to confirm - to the
Science lab in Natural history museum and science museum. That really nice some
of us locally are on the way to find out the more details and as there are
conflicting reports of size and also depth of crater.

How to identify Meteors? http://www.meteors.com/meteorite_identification_1.htm

Most meteorites tend to be VERY HEAVY for their size. This is because they
contain iron and other metals in varying amounts. They usually have a SMOOTH
SURFACE and are SOLID,  almost never porous like lava. ????? (this statement is
conflicting - see an authentic sites below and its samples and details)

Many says they are never porous like lava but smooth - but not necessary as out
GADHWARI - Bhuj sample is not smooth it falls in last category below

http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=76507&frm=ser&search=meteorite
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=76508&frm=ser&search=meteorite

Wish our member go there on the site and find out some more small parts
scattered there. They are heavy (higher specific gravity ) as those meteor fell
from the atmosphere - high temperature burns many elements but Iron and nickel
may remain and that may give those parts a property to stick with magnets. This
are on hand tests to sort those from ordinary stones and later can be analysed
for elements and further test for confirmation of meteor property. many melted
meteor parts may arrange iron elementals in the line with magnetic fields and
get very low magnetic signature at that time too. and may deflect a magnetic
compass needle a bit. but that also present in LAVA surrounding South Gujarat
mountains and Western Ghat (Sahyadri) Lava stones and

more on meteors SEE and there are conflicting info about meteor property - many
says they are smooth - but not necessary as out GADHWARI - Bhuj sample is not
smooth it falls in last category below
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/search.php?search=meteorite
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=76507&frm=ser&search=meteorite
http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/image.php?img=76508&frm=ser&search=meteorite


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#141 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:43 pm
Subject:: Vaccine against cervical cancer http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3964263.stm
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From: kutchscience Hope for a Vaccine against cervical cancer :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3964263.stm


             Smear tests can spot cancer
       A vaccine that prevents infections known to cause cervical cancer could be
available to women within three years, UK experts believe.
       By guarding against human papilloma virus, it could save thousands of
lives and may end the need for smears tests.

       The vaccine would be given to girls before they are sexually active.

       Trials have shown a jab can offer 100% protection against strains of HPV
linked to about 70% of cervical cancers.

       Protection

       Some forms of the HPV virus only cause genital warts, but others cause
cervical cancer.

       It is estimated up to half of the young women in Britain have been
infected with a high-risk strain of HPV by the time they are 30.

             The vaccine may even eventually mean the end of smear testing.

             Dr Anne Szarewski from Cancer Research UK

       'High risk' HPV types, strains 16, 18 and 31 and 33, have been found to be
present in close to 100% of all cervical cancers, according to the NHS Cancer
Screening Programmes.

       Since cervical cancer is the second most common cause of cancer death in
women worldwide, preventing HPV would save many lives.

       Both GlaxoSmithKline and Merck Sharp & Dohme have developed a vaccine
against HPV and are in a race to get their products approved.

       The two vaccines are being tested in thousands of women around the world,
including the UK.

       These will seek to confirm the vaccines' effectiveness and safely.

       Cancer Research UK's Dr Anne Szarewski, who is trialling GSK's vaccine in
the Margaret Pyke Centre in London, said experts hoped that a course of three
injections over six months could provide life-long immunity.

       She said: "We know that certain types of the HPV virus, which is sexually
transmitted, are the main cause of over 99 per cent of cervical cancer cases.

       "With any disease caused by a virus, the best way to stop it is to prevent
it with a vaccine.

       End to smears?

       "I do feel that the work we are doing on this vaccine is the most exciting
development in cervical cancer research in many years.

       "This research is promising and could result in almost completely
preventing cervical cancer.

             I strongly urge all women to continue to attend for regular cervical
screening.

             Dr Julietta Patnick, director of the NHS Cancer Screening Programmes

       "The vaccine may even eventually mean the end of smear testing.

       But she cautioned: "It is early days and the vaccine is still being
researched and will not be available for a few years."

       Under the national screening programme, women aged 25 to 64 are invited to
have a smear test every three to five years, depending on their age.

       Julietta Patnick, director of the programme, said: "The NHS Cervical
Screening Programme is alert to the trials of HPV vaccines for cervical
dysplasia and will monitor the results.

       "As the developers acknowledge, however, there is still much research to
be done before we can determine the potential role HPV vaccination may play in
preventing cervical cancer.

       "The NHS Cervical Screening Programme is highly successful, saving around
4,500 lives every year in England.

       "I strongly urge all women to continue to attend for regular cervical
screening."

       A spokesman from GlaxoSmithKline said the company planned to submit an
application to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in 2006
in the hope that its vaccine Cervarix could be made available in 2007.




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Date:: Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:28 am
Subject:: Molecule offers Alzheimer's hope http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3959381.stm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3959381.stm Molecule offers Alzheimer's hope

       Molecule offers Alzheimer's hope


             The molecules recruit proteins to bulk up
       The development of a molecule which appears to stop a protein forming into
clumps could lead to new treatments for Alzheimer's disease, scientists say.
       The onset of the disease has been linked to plaques which form when
fragments of the protein, amyloid-beta, gather into clumps in the brain.

       The Howard Hughes Medical Institute and Stanford University researchers
say lab tests show the molecule stops this.

       They told the journal Science they hope to begin tests on animals next
year.

       Little progress

       Despite 30 years of research, scientists have made little progress in
developing drugs that inhibit interactions between proteins.

       This is, in part, because the drug molecules are many times smaller than
the proteins, so even if they can attach themselves to the larger molecules they
are too small to prevent other proteins binding elsewhere.


  We hope that our work will contribute to the development of therapeutic agents
that will eventually prevent Alzheimer's, or delay its onset.
Dr Isabella Graef


The latest study got round this problem by creating a molecule that was able to
attach itself to another protein found in the brain cells.
Thus the molecule was effectively able to increase its size 15-fold before
binding to the amyloid-beta protein fragments - greatly reducing the ability of
other fragments to gain a foothold.

As a result, the molecule proved effective at reducing protein clumping at
concentrations 100 times lower than other blocking agents that have been tested.

It also seemed to reduce the toxicity of the rogue protein to nerve cells.

Researcher Dr Isabella Graef told BBC News it was possible that the molecule
could be modified to attach itself to even larger 'chaperone' proteins, so that
its bulk would be increased 50-fold.

At present the work has only been carried out in the lab, but Dr Graef said the
team hoped animal tests would start in a year.

'Striking and original'

She said: "We hope that our work will contribute to the development of
therapeutic agents that will eventually prevent Alzheimer's, or delay its onset.

"What we have developed is a completely new way of designing drugs to inhibit
protein to protein interactions, not only in neurodegenerative diseases, but
also potentially in other diseases, such as HIV and cancer."

Rebecca Wood, chief executive of the Alzheimer's Research Trust, called the
research "striking and original".

However, she stressed there was no way yet of telling whether the molecule would
work in a human brain, or whether interfering with chaperone proteins would
produce side effects.

"There is clearly much work still to be done, and it will be necessary to
investigate this drug further in animals such as mice before this potentially
valuable method can be tried in patients.

"This is the first, exciting step in what could be a long path towards a new
treatment for Alzheimer's disease."

Professor Clive Ballard, research director of the Alzheimer's Society, said:
"There are many exciting approaches currently being investigated to target the
accumulation of amyloid, some of which are already being investigate in clinical
trials."

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#139 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:24 pm
Subject:: The isolated elliptical NGC 4555 observed with Chandra http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0407552
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       Date:  Wed Oct 27, 2004  8:22 am
       Subject:  The isolated elliptical NGC 4555 observed with Chandra
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0407552

       Authors:((1) Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (2) University of
Birmingham, UK)
       Comments: 10 pages, 7 postscript figures, accepted for publication in
MNRAS

         We present analysis of a Chandra observation of the elliptical galaxy
NGC 4555. The galaxy lies in a very low density environment, either isolated
from all galaxies of similar mass or on the outskirts of a group. Despite this,
NGC 4555 has a large gaseous halo, extending to ~60 kpc. We find the mean gas
temperature to be ~0.95 keV and the Iron abundance to be ~0.5 solar. We model
the surface brightness, temperature and abundance distribution of the halo and
use these results to estimate parameters such as the entropy and cooling time of
the gas, and the total gravitational mass of the galaxy. In contrast to recent
results showing that moderate luminosity ellipticals contain relatively small
quantities of dark matter, our results show that NGC 4555 has a massive dark
halo and large mass-to-light ratio (56.8 [+34.2,-35.8] solar at 50 kpc, 42.7
[+14.6,-21.2] solar at 5 effective radii, 1 sigma errors). We discuss this
disparity and consider possible mechanisms by which galaxies might reduce their
dark matter content.
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#138 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:37 pm
Subject:: New TB vaccine shown to be safe : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3944437.stm
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New TB vaccine shown to be safe : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3944437.stm

  We're never going to get rid of TB unless we have a decent vaccine

The first TB vaccine to be developed in more than 80 years has passed safety
trials in the UK. Oxford University researchers say the vaccine could boost the
power of the existing BCG vaccine.
The study, in Nature Medicine, suggests the new vaccine could be of particular
use in the developing world, where cases of tuberculosis are rising. The World
Health Organization estimates one person is infected every second. It kills two
million people annually.



It is believed to be present in about one-third of the world's population,
around two billion people, although many people do not develop the disease.

In England, the number of cases of TB has risen by 25% over the last decade. The
BCG vaccine is thought to offer protection for around 15 years.

But it is not effective for everyone. In the UK, only around two thirds of those
who receive the vaccination are believed to be protected. Some trials have
suggested protection could be as low as 30%.

'Helper' cells

The new MVA85A vaccine was tested in Oxford, where schoolchildren no longer
routinely receive BCG. The three-year study, which was funded by the Wellcome
Trust research charity, involved 42 adults aged 18 to 55, who were divided into
three groups.

Two groups had never been vaccinated with BCG. One of these was given BCG and
the other MVA85A. People in the third group, who had previously received BCG,
were given MVA85A as a boost. In those who were only given MVA85A, the trials
showed it was safe and produced a high number of T 'helper' cells, which fight
disease.

Those who had previously had BCG and were given MVA85A revealed a far greater
number of T cells, in some case up to 30 times the levels produced in the other
groups. The researchers now plan to test the research in the developing world. A
trial is already underway in The Gambia - where TB is endemic and babies are
given BCG within 24 hours of birth. In the UK, BCG is usually administered at
the age of thirteen.

An 'ally' vaccine

Dr Helen McShane, a Wellcome Clinician Scientist Fellow and researcher at Oxford
University's Centre for Clinical Vaccinology and Tropical Medicine, who led the
study, said: "These results are phenomenally exciting. "This is one of the major
advances in the field of TB vaccines for over 80 years."

She added: "We will have to carry out more trials to see if this vaccine
actually stops people from contracting TB but initial results show that MVA85A
works perfectly well alongside BCG. "It is safe and stimulates a strong immune
response." Dr McShane said MVA85A appeared to work as an "ally" with BCG, rather
than as a replacement.

"BCG induces low levels of T cells. So when you later give MVA85A the cells are
reminded of the disease and build a bigger barrier to TB." Paul Sommerfeld,
chair of TB Alert, said: "It's very encouraging because, in the long term, we're
never going to get rid of TB unless we have a decent vaccine. "At the moment we
have a vaccine which is better than nothing but a very long way off being what
we need." But he added: "This is a very early step. A useable vaccine is still a
long way away, perhaps a decade off."


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#137 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:56 am
Subject:: Orionid meteors - 14-30. The shower peaks on the 21st, but can be seen from October 2nd to November 7th.
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Subject: Orionid meteors - 14-30. The shower peaks on the 21st, but can be seen
from October 2nd to November 7th.


  ** Orionid meteors **

It's a good time to see Orionids, meteors appearing near the constellation
Orion. On 22 October you could see up to 30 shooting stars an hour. Find out
where to look and what else to see in the skies this month, including a total
eclipse of the moon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/myspace/nightsky/observingnotes.shtml
Meteor Showers in October 2004 : The best shower to observe this month will be
the Orionids which can produce an hourly rate between 14-30. The shower peaks on
the 21st, but can be seen from October 2nd to November 7th.
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#136 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:33 pm
Subject:: If Cancer can be caused By an Infections - why antibiotics can not block it? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3726124.stm
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       If Cancer can be caused By an Infections - why antibiotics can not block
it?

       Antibiotic can 'turn off cancer'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3726124.stm

              Liver cancer was blocked in mice
       Scientists have shown that a common antibiotic can turn off cancer cells
in mice, offering hope of new treatments for cancer patients.
       The antibiotic worked by turning off a gene called Myc, which is known to
trigger cancer.

       Mice remained cancer free for as long as they took the drug. When it was
stopped they developed liver cancer, the Stanford University team found.

       Cancer experts said the Nature study held promise for human cancer drugs.

       Cancer switch

       The findings might also apply to cancers of the breast, bowel and
prostate, the researchers hope.

       This is because all of these cancers, as well as liver cancer, begin in
cells that line the body called epithelial cells.

       According to Cancer Research UK, the gene may contribute to as many as one
in seven cancer deaths.

             Drugs blocking Myc might be effective cancer treatments in the
future.

             Dr Elaine Vickers from Cancer Research UK

       The Stanford scientists studied mice whose liver cells had been altered to
carry a modified Myc gene known to cause cancer.

       Myc controls cell division. Unlike the normal version of the gene, the
modified version stayed permanently switched on, meaning cells were constantly
dividing and some became cancerous.

       Feeding the mice the antibiotic doxycyline turned the faulty Myc gene off
so cancer growth was blocked.

       When the researchers stopped the doxycycline the mice developed aggressive
liver cancer.

       Reintroducing doxycycline into their feed not only turned Myc back off,
blocking further cancer growth, but it also turned the cancer cells back to
normal.

       Reversing cancer

       Lead researcher Dr Dean Felsher said: "The exciting thing is you can turn
cancer cells into something that appears to be normal."

       But he said even though the cells looked normal, they still had the
ability to become cancerous if the antibiotic were to be stopped.

       This could explain why some cancers come back after people have had
chemotherapy, he said.

       "This is a terrible cancer. Anything that is encouraging in liver cancer
may be important," he said.

       Dr Elaine Vickers, science information officer for Cancer Research UK,
said: "The Myc gene is known to be overactive in many types of cancer.

       "Estimates suggest that the gene may contribute to as many as one in seven
cancer deaths.

       "This research is very interesting.

       "It adds to the weight of evidence suggesting that drugs blocking Myc
might be effective cancer treatments in the future."




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#135 From: "kutchscience" <kutchscience@...>
Date:: Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:15 am
Subject:: Also read: Primates http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/04/0418_020418_primates.html
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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 11:59 AM
Subject: Also read: Primates
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Dear Science and the Geology friends,

The earliest octopus fossil was found in Jurassic rocks. It is unusual for an
octopus - an animal without a shell or skeleton - to be fossilised.

Do not be surprised if you find a Giant Squid Fossils in The Gangeshwar dome
near Gunawari River in the mountains near Madhapar (5KM)  in BHUJ (10 Km )
-KUTCH, We have got some perfect views of such fossils and sent to the experts
for the  identification and verifications. But did not expose to others just to
protect those from Vandals and Thieves of stealing mentality traders. The rock
in which the fossils were hidden to protect from those  "thieves and vandals." 
Fossils found in older layers may have been formed later in the geological
process , And those fossil layer may contain old layers of fossils superimposed
by the new formation of layers and phase Two fossils in the new younger  layers,
Mukherjee D., Bardhan S. & Ghosh D., 2002. Significance of new species of
Cryptorhynchia (Brachiopoda) from the Middle Jurassic of Kutch, India.
Alcheringa, 26 (1-2), 209-231.

world's largest fossil of the squid-like, straight-shelled cephalopod   a
spiral-shelled subclass of cephalopods. A cephalopod is a marine mollusk that
has a distinct head with suckers attached to it, highly developed eyes and
varying numbers of arms.
fossil almost 6-feet long and 90-100 million years old.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/04/0418_020418_primates.html

Phase Two fossil: Some Geologist do disagree with the Phase Two formation of the
fossils in Older layers but they need to understand the later formations,  on
the layer of old fossilised layers which are indistinguishable from the newly
formed layers at the same place. (read below)


Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of INDIA.
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President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
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