Weather report at SARISKA SATURDAY NIGHT 28 MARCH 2009
For the VISITERS visiting SARISKA WILD LIFE RESERVE for wildlife, nature and In
this International Year of Astronomy, SPACE is organising a
Messier Marathon on the night of March 28th/29th from the pristine and dark
skies
of Sariska National Park (27.39 N, 76.46E and Alt of 485 mts).
MADHAVPUR is clear and partly cloudy in SUNDAY MORNING
9 pm 84°F Mostly Cloudy
10PM 82°F Mostly Cloudy
11 pm 80°F Mostly Cloudy
12 am Sunday, March 29 78°F Mostly Cloudy
1 am 76°F Mostly Cloudy
2 am 75°F Mostly Cloudy
3 am 74°F Partly Cloudy
4 am 73°F Partly Cloudy
5 am 73°F Partly Cloudy
Its that time of the year again when we have an opportunity to observe
all
Messier objects in one night.
In this International Year of
Astronomy, SPACE is organising a Messier
Marathon on the night of March
28th/29th from the pristine and dark skies
of Sariska National Park (27.39 N,
76.46E and Alt of 485 mts). The event
has been kept open to all interested
people and and not just amatuer
astronomers. SPACE will provide for
telescopes, star maps and finder
charts for the participants but you are more
than welcome to carry your
own equipment. There will be many seasoned amatuer
astronomers to guide
the beginners.
Space brings this opportunity to
you in the form of a 2Day/1Night trip to
Sariska National Park, Rajasthan at
price of Rs. 3200/- on 4 sharing basis
and also enjoys the exciting Jungle
Safari & group activities.Transport
from New Delhi to the observing
location and back is provided as well as
accommodation at the Tiger Den
Tourist Resort for the two days.
If you have any queries, please feel
free to call at +91-9250901041 or
mail at pooja@space-india.
org
(Because we have to make travel and accommodation arrangements
please
register by the 24th)
Hope to see you all
there.
Thanks
Pooja Choudhary
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From: KutchScienceFoundation@... (IT JUST TOOK 2years to wake up our
media and OUR KUTCH news papers and public)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:24:08 +0100
Dear friends of Kutch, Geology, Science and History,
We have and are hearing words "JUMBU DWIPe, BHARAT KHNDe, ARYA VRUTe, KUTCH
PRADESHe" in many processes to locate the place of the rituals. Which in
SANSKRIT language says in SAPTAMI vibhakti (DWIPe of Dwip , KHNDe of KHND, VRUTe
of VRUT, PRADESHe of PRADESH) of that nouns which means in IT (inside). which
actually says Kutch is inside the ARYAVRUT in the BHARAT KHAND (geological name
Indian continental plate). which is PART of JUMBU DWIP - geological name
Gondwanaland land).
Many geologist ask first question what is JUMBU DWIP? AND WHERE IS IT? so answer
is in Sanskrit language and in Vedas as Indian continental plate is separated
form Gondwanaland land, Gondwanaland land means JUMBU DWIP. so it is said so
"JUMBU DWIPe, BHARAT KHNDe" which means BHARAT KHAND (geological name Indian
continental plate). which is PART of JUMBU DWIP - geological name Gondwanaland
land).
But what's the point of discussing this with ritual sloks of Vedas?
Also in Shastras it has been explained of "SAMUDRA MANTHAN" means churning of
the sea. which was done by DEVAs and DANAVAs with Mount MERU ! on the BACK of
the (Turtle) means KUTCH. and next question in line comes from the geologists is
always where is Mount MERU? how we know that?
MOUNT MERU is in AFRICA now in Tanzania Log Latitude are: 3° 14' S; 36° 45' E
more details on http://www.peakbagger.com/peak.aspx?pid=11205
4565 meters, 14,977 feet,
Web Maps
Microsoft Local.Live Map
Ranges
Continent: Africa
Range2: East Africa Mountains
Range3: Northeast Tanzania
Ownership
Land: Arusha National Park (Highest Point)
Prominence
Clean Prominence: 3170 m/10,400 ft
Optimistic Prominence: 3170 m/10,400 ft
Nearest Topographic Higher Peak: Kilimanjaro
Key Col: 1395 m/4577 ft
Isolation
Distance to Higher Peak: 69.93 km/43.46 mi
Nearest Higher Neighbor: Kilimanjaro (ENE)
Which is south of the Equator so why Kutch and Mount MERU so far away? The
answer lies in Geology it self that After the separation from Gondwanaland land
(Jumbu Dwip) Africa - Madagascar and Indian continental plate (BHARAT KHAND)
are separated from each other at about 5cm /year and came to the present place
after so 250 million years later and with the collision of the BHARAT KHAND-
Indian continental plate and Asian plate created HIMALAYA about 60 Mn years in
process and is still active to increase the height of Mt Everest (original name
-QOMO LANGAM) and also decreasing the size of Nepal by 5cm /year.
And also said that Meru was North of us - (UTTARE MERU) Indian continental plate
was south of Equator and south to Mt MERU close to Madagascar which has moved
more south now.
And so we have similarity in fossils find of Africa and KUTCH - wild life,
farming and civilisation also. recently Crocodilian fossil finds in Kutch also
confirms similarity and SOON Human bone fossils 4.2Mn years old will be digg-ed
out of Kutch soil as in Ethiopia
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jul2003/foss-j25.shtml
Seeing the view of Mt MERU we see the Mt Meru is in Valley (Great rift valley of
Africa) means it has been lowered down with the rift valley. otherwise height of
Mt Meru was more than that (14,977 ft + 6000 ft rift valley depth = 20977ft
which is higher than Kilimanjaro) which is east of Mt MERU and is younger than
Mt MERU. And also it has been said in Purana that MUNI AGATSYA (Sage Agatsya)
made Mt MERU to Lower down !!! and then Mt Meru remained lower down since than.
Meru means to be made of gold.
If The Kutch was under water at that time of "SAMUDRA MANTHAN" means churning of
the sea, that's the original land and so has fossil records back to that date.
and also rich in Minerals, fuels, Metallic and jewels as well. As DEVAs and
DANAVAs could retrieve those at that time why not now?
The below golden OOLITE from Kutch is giving such proofs today as well. we have
plenty of Coal and some one some day will find diamond as well and also gold and
IRIDIUM AND PLATINUM in KUTCH. Do not be surprised Kutch has Iridium Rich layers
in KHATROL range hills from ANJAR to Gadhshisha. see the report of GSI on
iridium layers of KUTCH. and Where iridium is there not only KT period suggests
Dinosaurs but also Next element of Chemistry is Platinum as well.
Views of Mt MERU in the Great rift vally eye bird view from Above at different
angles
Golden Oolite of Kutch Below. Meru means gold
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Dear Science, Maths, History and astronomy Friends,
From: kutchsciencefoundation@...
Subject: HAPPY EQUINOX day
2009
20
11:44
21
05:45
22
21:18
21
17:47and good luck for astronomy meet. and the measurement methods of Angle of
sun and LONGITUDE LATITUDE @RAMKUND of BHUJ.
UTC date and time of solstices and equinoxes[1]
year
Equinox
Mar
Solstice
June
Equinox
Sept
Solstice
Dec
day
time
day
time
day
time
day
time
2002
20
19:16
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13:24
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04:55
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01:14
2003
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01:00
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19:10
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10:47
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07:04
2004
20
06:49
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00:57
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16:30
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12:42
2005
20
12:33
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06:46
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22:23
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18:35
2006
20
18:26
21
12:26
23
04:03
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00:22
2007
21
00:07
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18:06
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06:08
2009
20
11:44
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05:45
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17:47
2009
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11:44
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05:45
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21:18
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17:47
2010
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11:28
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2011
20
23:21
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17:16
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09:04
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05:30
2012
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05:14
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23:09
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14:49
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11:11
2013
20
11:02
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05:04
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20:44
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2014
20
16:57
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10:51
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02:29
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23:03
Wish the day of the Astronomy meet can be arranged on the Equinox day and all
measurement activity is done in the equinox day during meet time at RAMKUND of
BHUJ. so every one can get benefit of it as well as all experts can give their
expertise support.
As Ramkund is perfectly constructed according to the Sun dial principles. E-W
N-S.
and all constructions are perfect rectagular and perpendicular. for measurement
one do not need to manage any such directions and leveling But only Shadow
measurenets ONLY for sun dialing. as we do in JANTAR MANTAR of Delhi or JAIPUR.
And that also will give the idea when tropic of cancer was passing there at
RAMKUND (23 14 51 N). and also the Earth's measurements.
Example of Latitudes longitude finding at the Local time. for tropical of
cancer @ Local time you need to find the correct time when sun is on with no
shadows East or West.
and need to be there at LOCAL time of 12:00 NOON which may be 12 + MM depending
on the place where you go Longitudes. for Bhuj 12:52 PM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubindia/files/MeasureEarth.dochttp://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/AMoxQMYX-9fiVHuxQHOo41ARbHhUCCePM4vTyesgNwoaLECS-Pj\
S97i5cgQxpGVZJxToBmG788WFGK948sho/MeasureEarth.doc
Hints: as Calculation of Latitude Longitude of the Place on Earth (eg RAMKUND)
we need to measure the angle of Sun. As on the Equinox day The sun is on the the
Equater, we need to go to the place on befor 12PM IST.
At 12 PM IST see the Northern steps Shadow showing towards the West will be
seen. on the day. wait for the local time 12:00 NOON which will be at 12:52 PM
IST.
Measuring the Angle of the SUN :
Similar Example of Latitudes longitude finding at the Local time. for tropical
of cancer @ Local time you need to find the correct time when no shadows East or
West.
and need to be there at LOCAL time of 12:00 NOON which may be 12 + MM depending
on the place where you go Longitudes.
As at 12 PM IST shadow on the RAMKUND will be towords the west of NORTHERN STEPS
of the RAMKUND. See when The shadow becomes perpedicular as line drawn in steps
diagrams, Shadow will be perfectly downwards in the plum line.
Now you find exact time when to there is shadow in exactly perpendicular line.
That say time is 12:52 than time difference is 52 minutes which is 52/4=13
dehrees means BHUJ is at 82.5-13=69.5 East. LONGITUDE MEASUREMENT and not the
LATITUDE MEASUREMENT
At this time you need to measure the lenth of the shadow at south steps as shown
in other diadram. and measuer the angle of the sun . which is equal to the
Latitude of the place as the sun is on Equater. LATITUDE MEASUREMENT and not
the LONGITUDE MEASUREMENT
as ramkund is constructed perfectly E W NS ans in perfect square and
perpendicular as reverse of PYRAMIS in the ground and exactly according to rules
Like pyramids accuracy.
Lenth of Shadow/height will give Tangent of the angle . tanke an anti tangent of
the figure you get by Shadow/height . thats the angle of the tilt of sun. Thats
the Latitude of the place RAMKUND.
As you are @ RAMKUND check how accurate is your experiment with figures of
RAMKUND (23 14 51 N).
World geometric dimension Table: created
Earths Equatorial Diameter
Equatorial Circumference 2D
Earths Inter Polar Diameter
Inter Polar Circumference 2D
12756 Km (E to W)
40053 KM (E to W)
12714 K m (N to S)
39900 KM (N to S)
(E to W 23:30 N/S)
(Using Tangent 23:30=0.917)
360 degree @ 23.5 Degree
36730km@Tropic of Cancer
360 deg Round the Earth
39900 KM Inter Polar
1 Degree = 60 Mins /360
=102 km = 64 Miles
1 Degree = 60 Mins /360
=110 km = 70 Miles
1 Min = 60 Secs /60
=1.7 KM =1.067 Miles
1 Min = 60 Secs /60
=1.84 KM =1.16 Miles
=1700 M = 5632 Feet
=1840 M = 6124 Feet
1Sec /60
28.3 M =94 Feet
1Sec /60
30.8 M =102 Feet
= 37 adult steps
= 18 Seconds walk
= 40 adult steps
= 20 Seconds walk
1minute walk =300feets=92M
1minute walk =300feets=92M
1hour = 5.4 Km walk
1hour = 5.4 Km walk
From yours Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of INDIA.
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:29:39
From: drbhudia@...kutchsciencefoundation@...
Subject: Recently published the news of rewriting the history of Kutch and
action to fulfill it
Dear Editorials, friends of Archaeology, science, History and documentation,
Recently published the news of rewriting the history of Kutch. Glad to hear
about the rewriting the history of Kutch. But before we proceed for it, do we
have finished working for the all research work to rewrite the history of Kutch?
Most of our ancient history is partial and partially lost or stolen by the
invaders. E.g. damaged by mogul invasions, and by westerners. Even VALMIK
Ramayana, though story is complete But have only 600+ original Sanskrit shloks
out of 24600. all are not seen in any RAMAYANa.
Many of monuments are lost (KORA SUN TEMPLE near Dolatpar) and damaged Kotay,
Kanthkot, Ramkund (with destruction of RAMKUNG a Rahimkund was made nearby) etc.
Even Mahatma Gandhijis personal belongings were made auction. So How much is
left intact with us?
But do we have all these records for reference? Not at all. As taken away by the
rulers at that time before independence. We do not have Following Typed BOOKS
records but some university of USA and London do have and need to be referred
before any write-ups.
Even ancient Language SANSKRIT is slowly disappearing, though new attempts to
keep it alive is in force. But even meaning name of BHUJ. Some just say few
meaning of ARM but is that all? One need to refer a full SANSKRI dictionary from
OXFORD University By Monier Williams. (even our Sanskrit dictionary is from
outsider). Saying to take over care for it and rule it means BHUJ. In other word
a LOOKAFTERed
RAMKUND of BHUJ was existing well before BHUJ re-established in 1605VS/1548AD.
Underground steps outside present RAMKUND is proof hidden in the ground need
to just make a small research trench by side of RAMKUND without damaging
anything.
Even BHUJ STHAPANA DAY is in dispute as SUD/VAD (Said as SUD but Horoscope shows
Moon in place of VAD) of MAGASAR 1605 VS. Where day is not specified but in
poems of DULERAI Karani is says SUKAR- SUKRA FRIDAY. And NAJAR as RAVI
SUNDAY Magsar VAD 1602 VS.
We are well equipped with library with Geology, archaeology, Sanskrit, history,
all science, Maths Engineering and Technology libraries. With Picture database
and audio video collections and hard work of Kutch records of most places
photographed and video recorded in last decade.
LUCKY to have copies in our reference library of History section of KUTCH
SCIENCE FOUNDATION.
1) Sketch of the history of Kutch by James Barnes 1819.
2) Historical description of Hindustan and Kutch by JOHN MURRAY 1820
3) The Documents of agreements of the of Kutch (history) during and before
British
4) CIVIL SERVISES under the Bombay government under British 1878
5) Personal observations of Kutch and Sindh by Mainer Williams 1843
6) History of Hindustan By Wilson wild 1808 (translated from original Persian
source)
7) Rise and Fall in Kutch Bhayats original from Mc Leod
8)Ancestry records of Kings in Kutch and Saurashtra. And ARYA KINGS by DAYANAND
SARASWATI.
9) Tax revenue records from state of Kutch and its villages.
10) Ancestry records of tribes of Kutch,
Though Kingdom ancestry is well maintained but Very few records are available
for tribes and people of Kutch. Gadhavis were well record keepers of ancestry
of the people of Kutch. And so its possible and we do have many of 360 years
record and some beyond 7 century. But many are unaware who kept records of
GADHAVIs and Charans itself? But is well kept and intact since last
4centuries. And SOME of Unread/ unseen hand written treasures of Charan Poems.
We kept proofs of Photographic and video. But need to care to preserve those
untold poems of 4centuries ago.
Many just believe history of Kutch is just what it has been written in our books
of History. But thats the only our belief. What we are reading the history of
books is the only our recent past ONLY.
Thanks to KAVI DULERAY KARANI that he kept his history in his poems and is
preserved as such. And recently RAMSHINHJI created the Bhartiya Sanskriti Darsan
to view part of it.
But we also have archaeological and Vedic history of Kutch as well. And that is
also to be added in our history of Kutch. And as we are aware of DHOLAVIRA,
KURAN AND KANMER, that will be a part of it. But is that all? We have listing of
178 places with Longitude latitude and photographic and video recorded.
Also we have Geological History of KUTCH. How can we ignore that scientific fact
of our Geological History of KUTCH?
Why this is happening? Because we lack the actual research, documenting and
publishing. Most are just doing short cut to get some thing out of it but never
do any thing for that by self. Many come forward and approached to write about
cradle of the Civilisation of Kutch and indo SARASWATI civilisation of India and
over THE WORLD. And few to make documentaries on that but just to make some
wealth and not to work on it.
1) Most of work is in the form of the TABLE WORK/PAPER WORK - Historians write
many books eg Indus civilisations, Ideology etc. but not necessarily they do
visit those places, they write about. its just learning and writing a history by
the Historians.
ACTUAL HITORIAN RESERCHER SHOLD VISIT EACH LOCATION THEY WISH TO WRITE ABOUT IT
SO HISTORIAN CAN ADD SOME THING OF OWN.
2) DOCUMENTING AND PUBLISHING: - MOST OF THE DOCUMENTRY PUBLISHERS DO VISIT THE
PLACE AND DOCUMENT THE PRESENT VIEW OF THE PLACE AND BUT AVOIDING THE
PLAGIARISM,
Plagiarism is the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and
thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original
work.
3) ARCHEOLOGICAL WORK: ARCHEOLOGIST WORK AND PUT LIGHT ON THE FINDINGS BUT THAT
MAY BE LIKE - DHOLAVIARA WAS ACTUALY FOUND OUT BY THE LOCAL GADHVI AND the
ARCHEOLOGIST WERE UNAWARE OF THE FACT AND LATER STRATED TO DIG THE SITE. BUT
ACTAUAL NO FINDING RESEARCH WORK OF THE ARCHEOLOGIST BUT THANKS TO THE LOCAL
GADHAVI WHO STUDIED HISTORY OF INDUS UP TO SIX STANDERD.
4) ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC AND ARCHEOLOGICAL RESERCH WORK OF THE PLACES UNKNOWN TO US.
(SEE THE LIST BELOW) for GUJARAT (HARAPPAN PERIOD) DISTRICT: KUTCH (FULL LISTING
MAY BE AVAILABLE ON EMAIL REQUEST)
Chitrol 23.24N - 70.40E
Desalpur 23.29N - 69.10E
Dholvira (Kotadi) 23.58N - 70.12E
Gadhwaliwadi 23.30N - 69.03E
Gunthai 23.28N - 69.09E
Jatavadar 23.45N - 70.40E
Kanthkot 23.29N - 70.29E
Kerasi 23.40N - 70.44E
Khakhra Dera 23.34N - 70.29E
Khari-Ka-Khanda 23.27N - 70.19E
Khedoi 23.03N - 69.57E
Kotada Bhadli 1 23.22N - 69.26E
Kotada Bhadli 2 23.22N - 69.26E
Kotada 23.17N - 70.06E
Kotadi 23.58N - 70.12E
Kotara-Juni-Karan 24.00N - 69.45E
Lakhapar 23.33N - 70.28E
Lakhpat 23.50N - 68.47E
Morvo 23.50N - 70.42E
Narapa 23.34N - 69.05E
Nenu-Ni-Dhar 23.51N - 69.44E
Pirwada 23.20N - 70.00E
Pabunath 23.38N - 70.31E
Rampara (Vekera No Timbo) 23.30N - 70.45E
Ramvav 23.32N - 70.28E
Samaghoga 22.55N - 69.40E
Selari 22.42N - 70.37E
Surkotada 23.37N - 70.50E
Todio 23.05N - 69.55E
Vada 23.34N - 69.03E
PLACE NAMED WITH RAI ARE OLD LAKES ARE CIVILISATION PLACES
MOCHIRAI OF SUKHPAR - 40 HARAPPAN GRAVES ARE FOUND IN BAJARIYUN GAAM AREA
SADHURAI OF GODPAR, JAMORAI BETWEEN GODPAR & MANUKUVA, VICHANDRAI OF MANUKUVA
AND MAGJIRAI OF MADHAPAR.
SAR - MEANS SAROVAR ARE OLD CIVILISATION PLACES IN KUTCH.
BALASAR VAGAD NEAR GADHADA RASAJI
BHARASAR - HARAPPAN DAM AREA,
VADASAR - TARO -TALAV AREA OF THE VILLAGE
SUMARASAR - NENUNI DHAR CIVILISATION
DEVISAR - HAS MORE THAN ONE AREA OF
CIVILISATION AREA DEVISAR AND JATAWADA
BHADRESAR - BHADRESWAR
KHIRASARA , DAHISARA , MODSAR, BALASAR Anandsar Vasdasar, Bharasar, Sumarasar
(Nenu ni Dhar civilisation ),
MORO - MORA MEANS TAKARO - TIMBO
SARLI TIMBO - JIWA TIMBO ARE
VEKARA TIMBO OF VAGAD
VEKRA RAMPAR OF BHUJ
MOMAY MORA etc
GADH AND GADHADA OF KUTCH
GADHADA OF KHADIR NEAR RATANPAR
GADHADA RASOJI NEAR BALASAR IN VAGAD
GADHSHISHA
DEVPARGADH
RAPAR GADH
GADHWARI WADI - MEGHPAR IN BHUJ
GADHWARIWADI - KHIRSARA NETRA NAKHATRANA
PANDYANO GADH etc
GADHADA OF BHAVNAGAR ON RIVER BANKS OF GHELO RIVER.
KOT - KOTADA - KOTDI OF KUTCH
KANTH KOT
KOTADA CHAKAR REHA - UGAMANA AND ATHAMANA KOTADA - GADHADO AREA HAS GADH IN
GROUNDS
KOTADA BHADLI THARAVADA IN NAKHTRANA
Kotada (Roha) has OLD KOTDA near village Kotada and Khirasara
KOTADA THARAVADA IN ANJAR
KOTADA IN ZURA
KOTADA JADODAR
KOTADA - KOTADI OF DHOLAVIRA
KOTAY - KOTESHWAR
KATESHWAR - LAKHAPAT
KOTESHWAR - NARAYAN SAROVAR
ALSO KOTADA CHANDRANI
If above picture is not seen here file SIYOT WAAV Concrete Layered6July07.JPG
is attached for you with this email
We have very rich archaeological history and monuments. but now may be we will
be loosing one by one if not cared for its existence. Recently our visits to the
oldest VAAVs we seen most are at the stage of loosing their reality.
MOD KUVA of KANTH KOT is one of the Oldest well but many have not seen as
difficult approach but is wonderful with carvings but in poor conditions.
BHADRESHWAR Vaav is no longer approachable as is filled with wild vegetations
and in such a dangerous stage to collapse that one should not try to force
entry. though we made some good snaps of those.
http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=22.913923&lon=69.905789&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2&show=/323\
8653/Bhadreshwar-OLD-VAAV&search=bhadreshwarhttp://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php?Number=899\
524&t=k&om=1http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=22.9242472&lon=69.8697853&z=13&l=0&m=a&v=2&show=/3\
238653/Bhadreshwar-OLD-VAAV
Chobari vaav is to be believed was built by PANDAVAS while establishing village
CHOBARI During Guptavaas. Pandava established the village with Shiva temple and
CHAU BARI VAAV, GEDI village as said in MAHABHARATA is close by.
PADIYAS of KUTCH need special attention as many are in remote areas eg Kotada
near ROHA, Vekara, etc. ALL TALUKA and villages should keep records of all
padiyas of each village of TALUKAS od KUTCH.
Recent development in CHOBARI has damaged most of ancient views and covered with
CEMENTING layers and Padiyas are still intact but need to keep intact.
Bhanjano DUNDAR - HILLS is believed to be home of HEDAMBA where BHIMA married to
her during the GUPTA VAAS period and also a place called BHIM GUDA a place where
Bhima Swigged the hedamba. We have full Picture library and Video footage of all
places.
Now this Place of Chobari VAAV is plastered with cement and original look of
before 5000 years is no longer visible to us. Original view of that CHOBARI VAAV
of 50 years back (CHOBARI OLD VAAV.JPG) is attaché to this email.
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php?Number=848489http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=23.51158&lon=70.336791&z=13&l=0&m=a&v=2&show=/8002\
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997532/Chobari-Village&search=chobari
Presently this Place of KATESHWAR VAAV is overlayed by CONCRETE cement layer
for repair, It could be repaired with old technique of Calcium CHOKA (CHOONA)
BUT original look is loosing its ORIGINALITY.
Original view of that KATESHWAR VAAV (KATESHWAR VAAV.jpg) is attaché to this
email also LASt view of KateshwarVaav.jpg as it was repaired with Cement
concrete on 6July2007.
Ancient Kateshwar vaav @ kateshwar in hills of ZARA
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php?Number=644939
Kateshwar OLD Vaav New Image Overlay
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Bhadreshwar OLD VAAV.jpg KateshwarVaav.jpg CHOBARI
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Dear friends of VEDIC, Maths STUDIES, SCIENCE, ASTRONOMY, HISTORY and GEOLOGICAL
science,
When we write about meaning astronomy aspects of the PURANas. We always looks
all aspects of astronomy, mathematical and scientific aspects and we can not
neglect any part of it.
Many Vedic studies have revealed about Vedic timings and explained in details
that all explanations are minutely described in Vedas and Puranas. And all that
are perfect and still we never been perfectly understood. But I never come
across the any angles of any planetary aspects are given in any purans or Vedas.
Eg Krishna Janma is explained that Moon was rising on the horizon with Lagnam
rising in the EAST explains that clearly but never said of angle of the Moon in
the That RASHI. So present day JANMASTHAMI is celebrated as IST- VARANASI time
82.5 E. BUT thats never been correct as KRISHNA JAMNMA WAS at the MID NIGHT of
MATHURA wish is 18 minutes later than the present Varanasi Midnight Times.
SIMILARLY RAMA JANMA and all four brothers JANMA horoscope is well explained in
VALMIC RAMAYAN but BHARAT, SHTRUGNA AND LAXMANs birth charts always decoded with
mistakes as EKADSHI and actually it was next day of RAMNAVMI. So naturally it
has to be DASHMi and not EKADASHI, unless it has been explained as lapse of
DASHMi which not said so in RAMAYAN.
SIMILARLY when we say about minute correct ness of ved and Purans we can not
contradict the VED PURANS statements of timings of YUGAs and MAHAYUGAs. And If
we do so we should realise our mistakes and not the MUNI VEDam VYAS.
A) Here some examples are explained of origin of Life on the Earth by Purans and
by science and geological proofs.
Acoording to Vedic calculations
SHRUSTI START (ARAMBHA) TIME
1.71E+07
17064000
TIL PRESENT SATYAUGA
1.95E+09
1953720000
PASSED TRETAUGA
1296000
1296000
PASSED DWAPARUGA
864000
864000
PRESENT KALIUGA PASSED YEARS 5100
5100
5100
TOTALYEARS of origin Of LIFE is about 2bn years
1.97E+09
1972949100
SIMILARLY science do agree with this timings as well TOTALYEARS of origin Of
LIFE is about 2bn years.
Geological proofs are available from STROMATOLITE GEOLOGICAL studies from Perth
ASTRALLIA and KUTCH.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite Though geologist all over the world do
visit to research in Kutch but Geological study has not been given such a
priority in KUTCH. Kutch do have fossilised strombolites in Gangeshwar dome
area. when it was under shallow sea water it has LIVING fossils at that time but
later with the uplift of the area from the sea bed. those fossils are plenty on
the Gangeshwar hill area.
Though Australians and Americans geologist has dome more to study similar
fossils in PERTH of AUSTRALIA. none of geologist has given the time to the
strombolites fossils of Gangeshwar dome of KUTCH. Similarly Bay of Kutch is
full of mysteries. Diving in bay of kutch reveals a beautiful coral seabed and
planty of Living STROMATOLITES which are original organisms of the time of the
evolution of life on the Earth. picture of the BAY of kutch and Perth Australlia
are attached along with gangeshwar dome strombolites fossils in KUTCH
Similarly When Sun will be destroyed is explained in Purans as remaining 2.64 Bn
years with distruction of the Life on the Earth. But many just says as science
says the SUN life is left for 4-5 Bn years more so dont worry!
But after 2.64 Bn years Colliding Galaxies of Andromeda (DEVIYANI) and our
Galaxy MILKYWAY (MANDAKINI) will destroy all life forms and will create billions
of degree temperature just to evaporate very life form from the both of galaxies
and new creation will start (after another 4.32 bn years according to Vedas) and
life will evolve there after. But many statement of comments come from those
who do not understand these as sun will survive and will not affect the life on
the Earth (even though bn degree temperature will evaporate everything!!!!)
Comparing Difference of understanding life cycle of sun and life on the Earth by
Scientific and Vedic aspects.
OUR SUN'S LIFE = 1 KALP DAY (4320000000 YEARS) + 1 KALP NIGHT (4320000000 YEARS)
=8640000000 years =8.64 bn years.
When Milky Way and Andromeda Collide, Earth Could Find Itself Far ...
Andromeda is currently 2.3 million light-years from our galaxy. ... Based on
this assumption, Andromeda would first graze the Milky Way two billion years
from now, ... NASA's
When Galaxies Collide, our Solar System Will Go for a Ride
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/2007/pr200714.html
More papaers fromHARVARD UNIVERSITY
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~tcox/localgroup/lg.pdfhttp://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=when-milky-way-and-andromeda-collide-earth-c\
ould-find-itself-far-from-home
A Simulation of the Milky Way/Andromeda Collision
It is fun and instructive to see how the collision of the Milky Way with
Andromeda might play itself out. Here is the sequence of images from a numerical
simulation of the collision computed using Blue Horizon a 1152 processor IBM SP3
at the San Diego Supercomputing Centre. Each spiral galaxy is represented by
about 40M stars and is surrounded by a 10M particle dark matter halo for a total
of more than 100M particles for the galaxy pair.
These simulations reveal a tremendous amount of detail in the destruction and
unravelling of the galaxies as they collide and merge to form an elliptical
galaxy. The Milky Way is shown face-on and moves from the bottom up to the left
of Andromeda and the to the upper right. Andromeda is tilted from this
perspective. The images are 1 million light years across. After the initial
collision, a open spiral pattern is excited in the both the Milky Way and
Andromeda and long tidal tails and a connecting bridge of stars form are
apparent. The galaxies move apart and then fall back together for a second
collision and then after a few convulsions which throw off more stars in complex
ripple patterns they settle into something looking like an elliptical galaxy.
UNDERSTANDING timings of planetary cycles and its mixing with tepeatations of
astrological aspects.
1) Planetary timings and its use in astronomy and Horoscope numerics.
Rahu and Ketu timings 18 years = 2x3x3 means in 180 years Rahu Ketu has 10
Cycles.
Sani - Saturn has timing 30 years= 2x3x5 means in 180 years SATURN has 6
Cycles.
Guru - Jupiter has timing 12 years= 2x3x2x means in 180 years SATURN has 15
Cycles
Mangal - MARS has timing of 1.88years means in 180 years SATURN has 96 Cycles
Sukra - Venus has timing of 224 days means in 180 years VENUS has 293 Cycles
Calculating the L SA = Smallest Common Multiple of those numbers 2x2x3 x3 x5
=180 years.
Means at this interval all those planets are in same position as before 180
years.
So Horoscope do not see the difference of those of horoscopes of 180 years
apart and human do not survive beyond this time. Though data are available up to
100 years of PANCHANGs but not recorded before 180 years ago. But oldest
observatory does have those records recorded at that time eg. JAIPUR
Observatory.
We mostly rely on NASA figures. NASA did not have that before so they just put
calculated figures and not the real DATA fact sheet. Those figures are just
calculated later. Not only that program have some errors and not put correctly
with changing mean AU and changing Mean Moon distances. Not only that but if we
have records of 150 years ago say from the Jaipur observatorys observation
record the difference will tell the facts that there are errors on these
programmes.
We do have some letters dated from Shyamji Krishna vermas and letters showing
dates as Kartik SUD Purnima fall on 11th October (Tulshi Vivah) means DIWALI was
early in LATE SEPTEMBER which it never comes now. So comparing calendars needs
recorded proofs as well and not just producing the calculating figures.
2) Now according to PURANas let us check those with this astronomical data
MahaYUGA is said timing of 4 320000 years means it has 24000 cycles of 180 years
KALIYUGA is said timing of 4 32000 years means it has 2400 cycles of 180 years
A) Present Time of Kaliyuga has passed 5116 years means at least 28 cycles of
180 years has passed.
B) DWAPARYUGA is said timing of 8 64000 years means it has 4800 cycles of 180
years
C) Rama Rajya said to be of 10 000 years before DWAPARYUGA means at least 55
cycle of 180 years has passed during RAM RAJYA.
RAMA timings can be calculated as A) + B) + C) = DWAPARYUGA is said timing of 8
64000 years + Kaliyuga has passed 5116 + 10 000 Rama. = 8 79116 years is about
4883 cycles of 180 years (4800 cycles + 55 cycle + 28 cycles)
So we see those planetary events before 879116 years as it has happened some
where in series of 180X time line. eg 180 x 40 = 7200 years ago. But that is not
the fact but the cyclic series phenomenon of time.
3) ALSO an astronomical observations SUN and MOON during near time of Equinox
and RAMNAVMI. Are as follows
A) MOON: Moon near Earth 20 March 2007 and as higher gravitation and Kepler's
Laws Object has higher speed when close to centre MOON has moved 15.1 degree
in 24 hours.
B) And when Moon was FARTHEST from the Earth on 3 APRIL 2007 LOWER
gravitation and Kepler's Laws Object has SLOWER speed when further away from the
centre MOON has moved 12 degree in 24 hours
AVERAGE speed of the MOON remains about 13 Degree and when the moon remains at
MEAN distance from the Earth in the middle timings of A (20 March 2007) and B
(3 APRIL 2007).
ALSO MOON Month is about 28 and a half day but as LUNAR distance is variable the
duration of the LUNAR month is also variable. In past time LUNAR month was 30
days as said in PURANs. So can you calculate the LUNAR distance for the 30 days
Lunar MONTH ! also when it was possible and when again as moon is slowly going
away from the Earth.
C) EARTH near SUN on 4 Jan 2007 and as higher gravitation and Kepler's Laws
EARTH has higher speed when close to SUN and so Earth moved 1.0111 > 1 degree
in 24 hours.
D) And when EARTH was FARTHEST from the SUN on 8 JULY 2007 LOWER gravitation
and Kepler's Laws EARTH has SLOWER speed when further away from the SUN EARTH
has moved 0.57 11 < 1 degree in 24 hours.
AVERAGE speed of the EARTH remains about <1 Degree and when the Earth remains at
MEAN AU distance from the SUN at present time in the timings of EQUNOX days.
20/21 MARCH and 22/23 September.
ALSO EARTH YEAR is about 365.25 days but as AU distance is variable the
duration of the EARTHs Year is also variable. In past time EARTHs Year was
360 days as said in PURANs. So can you calculate the AU SUN EARTH distance for
the 360 days EARTHs Year! also when it was possible and when again the EARTH is
closing to the SUN to make Year of 360 days?
Hints What should be MEAN AU distance to make the Earth speed of 1 degree around
the sun? use Caplers calculations. And reduce the AU by some 1% and calculate
and try again to find out accurate AU distance for EARTH year of 360 days.
(Now we just say that 30 day month and 360 day year is incorrect. But tht was
not incorrect but our understand is incorrect. Actually we are not able to
understand to calculate these, BUT if wish we could do that.) And these today's
accurate figures of AU and Moon distance will change again and again. moon is
draging away from earth and so at certain time Moon Month will become 30days
again. similarly AU records in VALMIK RAMAYAN says - during the time of MUNI
ATRI AND MATA ANSUYA time - sun came close to the EARTH - Means AU was SMALLER
than present time and so year wad Smaller than present time year of 365.25 days.
4) also when we compare different calendars before those evolve. We should know
the history of calendar evolved. Gregorian had errors of 10 days which was
corrected 4 centuries ago. But never there after. So present new year 1Jan
falls on 4th day of new year but will not be corrected but may be after 3
centuries when the difference will come to 7 days so DAY will remain the same
with the change. (Full details of government of Indias PANCHANG RESEARCH
committee 250 pages are available in library)
Gregorian calendar http://www.aryasamaj.org/eng_art/do_celebrate_in_time.htm
The Gregorian calendar/Calendars in history is the calendar used throughout the
Christian world. It is also
adopted as the calendar for commercial and administrative purposes in many other
parts of the world where
it runs alongside other calendars used for religious purposes. It is a solar
calendar.
In the Gregorian calendar, years are counted from the birth of Christ which was
determined to be in 1 AD
(Anno Domini; in the year of our Lord) by the 6th-century scholar Dionysius
Exiguus. Unfortunately the
English historian Bede introduced a system of counting years backwards from 1 AD
in which the preceding
year was 1 BC (Before Christ) rather than zero. This is awkward when trying to
compare dates across the
divide. In the 18th century astronomers introduced the year zero so that 1 AD is
+1, 1 BC is 0, 2 BC is -1
and so on. Because the Gregorian calendar is often used in non-Christian
countries it is now commonplace
to replace AD with CE (Common Era) and BC with BCE (Before the Common Era).
Ironically, Jesus of
Nazareth was actually probably born about 4 BCE.
There are two types of year in the Gregorian calendar, common years of 365 civil
days and leap years of 366
days. Every year that is exactly divisible by 4 is a leap year except if it is
exactly divisible by 100. These
century years are leap years only if they are exactly divisible by 400.
Hence the Gregorian calendar is based on a cycle of 400 years, or 146097 days.
Since 146097 is exactly
divisible by 7 the number of days in a week the Gregorian calendar repeats
every 400 years. Dividing
146097 by 400 gives an average of 365.2425 days per calendar year. This is very
close to the length of the
mean tropical year of 365.24219 civil days.
Find out more about the mean tropical year in appendix 5.
The order of the months and number of days in each month are inherited from the
Julian calendar (Table 03)
and the days of the week were originally derived from the Babylonians
*In a common year; February has 29 days in a leap year.
Cultural notes
(i) Easter day, the most important day in the Christian religious calendar which
celebrates the resurrection of
Christ, is a moveable feast which, to a first approximation, falls on the Sunday
after the first full Moon on or
after the vernal equinox. Thus the calendar year has to be synchronized with the
tropical year as measured
by the interval between vernal equinoxes.
Actually, dating Easter is rather more complex than implied above. Firstly, the
church assumes that the
vernal equinox occurs on March 21, which is not always the case. Secondly, the
church uses tables based
on the Metonic cycle to determine the time of the full Moon and this
ecclesiastical full Moon need not
correspond to astronomical full Moon. Moreover the Metonic cycle is not a
perfect match between synodic
months and Gregorian calendar years; 235 synodic months is 6939.688 days rather
than 6939.6075 days
(19 Gregorian calendar years). Hence 19 calendar years slip 0.08 days with
respect to lunar phases.
Ecclesiastical tables incorporate adjustments to prevent this error accumulating
in the long term.
(ii) All the other moveable feasts in the Christian calendar (except Advent and
Epiphany) are determined
with respect to Easter.
(iii) Christmas celebrates the birth of Christ. It is fixed on December 25, a
date borrowed by the early
Christian church from the Roman festival Natali Invictus Solis(Birth of the
New Sun) in the Julian
calendar. It commemorated the winter solstice but was four day late because of
the incorrect timing of the
vernal equinox in the Julian calendar.
Subject: - Importance of the prime numbers and the survival rules with
rhythmicity of planets and the space and the universe (multiverse)
Every thing is very regular and rhythmic on the Earth and universe Multiverse
in the Space and so the earth and the life on the Earth has survived so long and
will survive so long till the Earth and the Sun will survive in the Space.
Nothing dangerous is happening so quickly (every alternate years or so) on the
Earth eg weather destruction , volcanic , tectonic or Tsunami which can
create such a destruction to destroy the life on the Earth so need not to be
worried of every alternate years and so nothing to bother of years in series of
2, 4, 6, 8, .2N.XN and so on But still is happening very rhythmic and
regularly
Let us take an example say if the weather destruction patterns is destroying
every few years than it may happen in series of 1w, 2w, 3w, . Xw and so on.
Though we need to keep long records of the weather pattern . eg CO2 records,
temperature highs, freezing earth , etc
Similarly earth quake patterns may be in series of multiples f some numbers
according to study and predictions that the earthquake id overdue and can happen
any time in Tibetan plate. But do not know when. The Earth quake in Anjar
happened in 1956 and followed in the region in 2001 with a rhythmicity of
multiples of the 45 years which is again a multiples of 5x9 series . But we do
not have complete record of such in the region but 1819 earthquake was
approximately about 3X45=135 years back (1956-1819=137)
So the series may be in the patterns of like this - 1Eq , 2Eq 3Eq .XEq and so
on .
Similarly Volcanic patterns may be like this pattern 1Vo , 2Vo 3Vo .XVo and
so on .
Similarly Tsunami patterns may be like this pattern 1St , 2St 3St .XSt and so
on
Those mathematical series patterns gives us figures of multiples of the some
digit numbers means NONE of those patterns have the Prime numbers in those
series patterns.
Similar way the Space patterns are also happening very regularly in the series
patterns eg meteor showers, So the series may be in the patterns of like this
- 1Me , 2Me 3Me .XMe and so on.
Asteroid impact is also regular eg destructions of the Dino. In KT period at
about 65 mn years interval and so geological period are also showing this
pattern of the 65mn , 130mn and 195mn years pattern, let us say in the form of
KT period follows in the series of So the series may be in the patterns of like
this - 1KT , 2KT 3KT .XKT and so on and or is due any time ?
So what is the importance of the series of multiplications of the different time
patterns? Series do not have the PRIME NUMBERS but itself can form the series of
its own. So prime numbers time interval is the survival time from any such
natural disastrous and space destruction time patterns. So as to survive the
life on the Earth and the Earth in the Space.
Lets have the look at the planetary aspects of the major planets and influence
believed in astrology but in the form of astronomical data. Jupiter time
interval is 12 years and Rahu Ketu crossing points in space planes of the
planetary orbits. Which is 18 years and patterns of Saturn is 30 years. All have
one common number component of the 6 and we break that is the multiple of two
smallest consecutive prime numbers. eg 2x3=6. but the series formed by the no
6 has none of the prime number in the series.
If any one believes in that respect or not thats not a matter but mathematical
series do say the rhythmical and prime numbers are never encountered in those
series.
There are more strange about the number of six which man believes or not does
not make any difference to the mathematics. And 6 is a special pattern of the
series in planetary aspects and much more and so net prime number is 7 to form
the week 7 days of the week.
Let us study the numbers 6 and so we can take in to consideration of no 6
importance over and above the planetary aspects and days of the week and 2x3=6
multiple of the of two smallest consecutive prime numbers
Many do not consider 6 as a happy number and if we give that number to any one
may be unhappy as with number 13 though is the prime number.
6= 2x3 (six has characteristic of its component 2 as a perfect digit)
Six includes 2 so include all characteristics of divided by two. As in the
series numbers are multiples of 2. and also as the six has component 3 which is
part of digit 9 as well (3x3=9) so as to give the characteristic of max digit 9
and its series. And power of 3s gives that characteristic to six as being thats
component.
Six has 1, 2, 3, as their part 1x2x3=6 and inverse of 1/1 +1/2+1/3+1/6= 2 gives
its characteristic of its component digit 2.
Power of six eg square of 6=36 and onwards , 3=6=9 max digit character because
of its component 3 , 6x6x6 = 216 , 2+1+6=9.
Thus six gives characteristic of both of its component 2 and 3 so in the form of
the mixture of both of its components characteristics as 2s and 3s like as the
ARDH NARISHWAR SHIVE FORM.
Also all the prime numbers follows one pattern related to six that either prime
number +1/or -1 makes them multiple of six as P+_1=N6 eg 7-1=6 , 13-1= 2x6 ,
97-1=16x6, 73-1=6x12, and also 71+1 =6x12. also 1291-1= 6x215 and 1361=1 =227x6.
To avoid the frequency of the destructive events and the planetary aspects of
six and its series and also multiple of next prime number 7 series The Prime
number itself has the advantage of the survival and the regeneration intervals.
Let us see now the statistical part of the chances of the frequency of the
meteor/asteroid impact to the Earth to destroy the life on the Earth.
Most studies has suggests that the chances of the destruction of the life on the
Earth by the impact of the meteor/asteroid is just a 1% in 50 centuries so as a
1% in 5000 years and so approximately 500 000 years life on the Earth will have
drastic impact. But thats a just approximate not accurately.
Now lets have a look to the Mathematical and science part of the Vedics.
Smallest time interval for life destruction is given in the form of KALIYUGA as
a 432000 years which is more accurately figured than rounded figure of 500 000
years.
Now MahaYuga is 10time of KALIYUGA as a 432 000 which is 432 0000 years. And if
we make a mathematical series of such Mahayugas it will be as 1MY, 2 MY 3 MY
NxMY and so on.
Hear 15MY = 15 x 432 0000 =648 00000 =64.8Mn years which is more accurately
close to the KT period series of 65mn approximate years of KT boundary period.
The Geological time interval of such approximate 65mn years of the KT periods
also has the series, pattern of the 65mn , 130mn and 195mn years. this patterns
may form the series of - 1KT , 2KT 3KT .XKT and so on but will avoid the PRIME
numbers to destroy the life totally and will allow the life to regenerate and
survival of the some form of the life on the Earth from all forms of the
disasters on the Earth and from the space as well.
So the regeneration of the life should follow the period of Prime numbers
interval and that has been explained in the mathematical form of MANAVANTAR
WHICH IS IN THE FORM OF SUCH MAHAYUGAS OF 71 Mahayuga = 1MANU Manvantar
period.
Eg as per Vedas life on the earth is expected to last further 2.16 bn years as
an Andromeda galaxy will collide with our milky way to generate billions degree
temperature to make destruction and regenerations of new stars and galaxy
formations. (this period will be NxKT periods of intervals as all manvantar
period finish at this stage and these are multiples of KT period intervals as
stated before).
So the remaining period of 2.16Bn years are divided in 500 mahayugas and thats
divided to 7 manavantar periods of 71 mahayugas. (past period not counted) as a
whole period of 4.32Bn years are divided in 1000 mahayugas and thats divided to
14 manavantar periods of 71 mahayugas.
Here 71 Mahayuga period is Prime number period to avoid all events of 2, 3, 5,
6, 7 and all KT period intervals of 15 Mahaygas as explained before as well as
series of planetary aspects of multiples of six and its series and also that of
7 next prime numbers series.
Trigonometry and Pythagoras: Prime numbers has also rules of Pythagoras
formation and only prime numbers can do that and none of the others.
Eg triangles of the sides with prime number dimension only can form new form of
the rectangular triangle . see following examples and carry on forward to find
new.
4, 5 and 3 (P)
12, 13 and 5 (P)
24, 25 and 7 (P)
60, 61 and 11 (P)
84, 85 and 13 (P)
94, 95 and 17 (P)
X=?, Y=? and 19 (P)
Similarly Coding and decoding in the Deciphering process of the secrete codes
and internet security and hacking security all involves the PRIME Numbers in
bigger and multiple forms. eg
1757051 = 1291 prime number key 1(prime KEY P) and x 1361(prime KEY q) Prime
number key 2 and thats locks the key functions as security in transactions and
security processes
Video demonstration of the experiments of 4 hours in five lecture series of
University of Oxford - academic to explain the mysteries of the world of
numbers- are available from the oxford University departments of maths,
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Re: Ancient astronomy
Astronomy in Mahabharata
Indian astronomy is 24000years' old.However due to following
reasons,
it had not been possible to fix dates :
1) Moon is going away from the earth.As per Kepler's Law, lunar
month
is increasing. In the past, synodic month was smaller than present
value.
2)Speed of ascending and descending nodes were also more in the past.
3)Speed of rotation of earth around it's own axis is
decreasing.Therefore
delta T correction is to be done for historical times.
Some western astronomical softwares are incorrect for historical
times
because they have not used correct synodic month in the past. I have
considered these factors in doing calculations and fixed following
Gregarian dates:
Krutyug started on 6th April 13904BC,Kartik Shukla 9,on Vernal
equinox
day at 197 deg.
Tretayug started on 28th December 9102BC,Vaishakh(Jyestha)
Shukla 3 at winter solastice 39 deg.
ShriRam was born at the end of Tretayug on Chaitra Shukla9 ,when
Moon
was in Pushya,Jupiter in Punervasu and five planets had exalted.
5802 BC to 5502 were last three hundred years of Tretayug which are
often refered to as "Sanyug" period in Valmiki Ramayana.
Dwaparyug started on 26th Sept 5502BC,Magh No Moon day,Autumn
Equinox day at 260 deg.
Kaliyug started on 25 Jan 3101BC,Chaitra Shukla 1 at 351 deg.
Mahabharata war started at the beginning of kaliyug on Kartik
Krishna 13,
No Moon day and solar eclipse day.
3101BC to 3001BC were 100 years of "Sandhi" period which is often
refered in Mahabharata by Vyas.
On 23 June 3001BC,Bhadrapada Krishna 13,summer solastice day,at
135deg, next 1000 years of Kaliyug started(which was later extended
to 4,32,000years in 1901BC)
Valmiki and Vyas were good astronomers(Sky watchers) and their
astronomical verses are 100% correct.
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Marathi or "Astronomy in Mahabharata" in English.(Rs 90+postage).
This book proves exact dates of Ramayana and Mahabharata by
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For the Friends of geography, Archeology, History and Science,
Dear Vasant Dave,
Traditional Ship building business is in MANDVI where ancesters of kharava
family build SHIP VIJADI which capcised in arabian sea long time ago. which
killed few hundreds of travellers at that time. Mr Dilip vaidya, Ex curator of
KUTCH MUSEUM has asked me to search and provide information avilable for
suplimenting his writing. But That's Only a TRADITIONAL ship building and not
the actual Harappan Ship building any way.
Recently decendents of those family rebuilt the model of that capcised ship
VIJADI in MANDVI and news was published. But that nothing to do with Harrapan
ship building. and what you are looking for.
Many Historians say story of Ship wrackages and an anker of Ship on hilly
mountain area of VARAR hills of KUTCh. when there was a water way at that time.
BUT every one just telling the story but no evidences nor a single picture.
Norway museum does hold a clue of 2000 years old viking ship and mummy arrived
from India which was geneticaly proven to be from Indo saraswati region.
http://www.slide.com/r/WWI2aRzS7z-_Cb9hxgHPt6e2AbRLTCs2?view=original
Real harappan type of tradition ship are still existing in river INDUS region
but have to go there to get real facts. our recorded library documentations and
filming shows all those proofs and so send you some snaps from those clips.
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Dear Dr. Bhudia,
Thank you for your e-mail of 23 February, 2009.
I came across one of your posts in Yahoo Groups while searching the Internet on
the subject. I plan to visit Kutch again in August or September, and I shall
contact you then. Do you know of any person in Kutch whom I could meet to
understand better the ship construction of the type that the Harappans did?
With regards,
Vasant Dave
Vadodara, India
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Dear EDITORIALS, Friends of the Science, History, paleontology and Geology,
āŠ āŠ°āŠĩāŠēāŦāŠēāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠŋāŠ°āŠŋāŠāŠāŠĶāŠ°āŠūāŠāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠŪāŠūāŠĻāŠĩāŠāŠĪāŦāŠŠāŠĪāŦāŠĪāŠŋāŠĻāŦ āŠĪāŠŠāŠūāŠļ āŠāŠ°āŠūāŠķāŦ
āŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠāŦāŠŪ āŠĶāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠ°āŠū
āŠāŠ°āŠāŠĻāŠū āŠ°āŠĢāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠŠāŠĢ āŠļāŠāŠķāŦāŠ§āŠĻāŠāŠūāŠ°āŦāŠŊ
āŠđāŠūāŠĨ āŠ§āŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠāŠĩāŠĻāŠūāŠ°āŦāŠ āŠđāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠĻāŦāŠ
āŠāŦāŠŪāŠĻāŠū āŠļāŠāŦāŠŊ āŠ°āŠŋāŠĪāŦāŠ·āŠāŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ°
āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŦāŠđāŠŋāŠĪāŦ āŠāŠĢāŠūāŠĩāŦāŠŊāŦāŠ āŠđāŠĪāŦāŠ.
āŠ āŠŪāŦāŠ°āŠŋāŠāŠĻ āŠāŠĻāŦāŠļāŦāŠāŠŋāŠāŠŊāŦāŠāŠĻāŠū
āŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠ āŠāŠūāŠĪāŦāŠ°āŦ āŠĶāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠ°āŠū
āŠŠāŠđāŠūāŠĄāŦāŠāŠĻāŦāŠ āŠļāŠāŠķāŦāŠ§āŠĻ āŠķāŠ°āŦ,
āŠ°āŠūāŠāŠļāŦāŠĨāŠūāŠĻāŠĻāŠū āŠļāŠŋāŠ°āŦāŠđāŦ āŠ āŠĻāŦ
āŠŽāŠĻāŠūāŠļāŠāŠūāŠāŠ āŠūāŠĻāŠū āŠ āŠŪāŦāŠ°āŠāŠĒāŠĻāŦ āŠŠāŠđāŠūāŠĄāŦāŠ
āŠāŦāŠāŠĶāŦ āŠ āŠĻāŦāŠ āŠ°āŠđāŠļāŦāŠŊāŦ āŠāŠāŦāŠēāŠķāŦ
ISOTOPIC FINGERPRINTS OF MICROBIAL RESPIRATION IN ARAGONITE FROM MODERN
BAHAMIAN and KUTCH STROMATOLITES
More Information of Stromatolites @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite
āŠāŦāŠāŠ°āŠūāŠĪ āŠ āŠĻāŦ āŠ°āŠūāŠāŠļāŦāŠĨāŠūāŠĻāŠĻāŦ āŠļāŠ°āŠđāŠĶāŦ
āŠāŠĩāŦāŠēāŠū āŠŽāŠĻāŠūāŠļāŠāŠūāŠāŠ āŠū āŠ āŠĻāŦ āŠļāŠŋāŠ°āŦāŠđāŦ
āŠāŠŋāŠēāŦāŠēāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠāŠĩāŦāŠēāŦ āŠ āŠ°āŠĩāŠēāŦāŠēāŦāŠĻāŦ
āŠāŠŋāŠ°āŠŋāŠāŠāŠĶāŠ°āŠūāŠāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠŪāŠūāŠĻāŠĩāŠāŠĪāŦāŠŠāŠĪāŦāŠĪāŠŋ āŠĪāŦāŠŪāŠ āŠāŠŊāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠĪāŠŠāŠūāŠļ
āŠāŦāŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠāŦ āŠĶāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠ°āŠū āŠđāŠūāŠĨ
āŠ§āŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠāŠĩāŦ āŠāŦ. āŠ āŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠāŦ
āŠĶāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠ°āŠū āŠāŠ°āŠāŠĻāŠū āŠ°āŠĢāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠŠāŠĢ āŠļāŠāŠķāŦāŠ§āŠĻ
āŠāŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠāŠĩāŠķāŦ āŠĪāŦāŠŪ āŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠāŦāŠ
āŠāŠĢāŠūāŠĩāŦāŠŊāŦāŠ āŠđāŠĪāŦāŠ.
āŠāŦāŠāŠ°āŠūāŠĪ āŠ āŠĻāŦ āŠ°āŠūāŠāŠļāŦāŠĨāŠūāŠĻāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠļāŠāŠŊāŦāŠāŠĪ āŠ°āŦāŠĪāŦ āŠŠāŠĨāŠ°āŠūāŠŊāŦāŠēāŦ āŠ āŠĻāŦ
āŠđāŠŋāŠŪāŠūāŠēāŠŊ āŠŽāŠūāŠĶ āŠĶāŦāŠķāŠĻāŦ āŠļāŦāŠĨāŦ āŠŪāŦāŠāŦ
āŠāŠĢāŠūāŠĪāŦ āŠ āŠ°āŠĩāŠēāŦāŠēāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠŠāŠđāŠūāŠĄāŦāŠāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠ°āŠūāŠāŠļāŦāŠĨāŠūāŠĻāŠĻāŠū āŠļāŠŋāŠ°āŦāŠđāŦ āŠ āŠĻāŦ āŠĪāŦāŠĻāŦ
āŠ āŠĄāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠĩāŦāŠēāŠū āŠŽāŠĻāŠūāŠļāŠāŠūāŠāŠ āŠū
āŠāŠŋāŠēāŦāŠēāŠūāŠĻāŠū āŠ āŠŪāŦāŠ°āŠāŠĒ āŠĪāŠūāŠēāŦāŠāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠĩāŠ°āŦāŠ·āŦāŠāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠŋāŠ°āŠŋāŠāŠāŠĶāŠ°āŠūāŠ āŠāŠĩāŦāŠēāŦ
āŠāŦ. āŠ āŠāŠŋāŠ°āŠŋāŠāŠāŠĶāŠ°āŠūāŠāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠ āŠĻāŦāŠ
āŠĩāŠŋāŠķāŦāŠ·āŠĪāŠūāŠ āŠđāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠĻāŦ āŠēāŦāŠāŠĩāŠūāŠŊāŠāŠū āŠāŦ.
āŠĪāŦāŠŊāŠūāŠ°āŦ āŠĪāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠŠāŠ° āŠĩāŠŋāŠķāŦāŠĩāŠāŠ°āŠĻāŠū
āŠāŦāŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠŪāŦāŠ āŠŪāŠāŠĄāŠūāŠŊāŦāŠēāŦ
āŠāŦ. āŠĪāŦāŠŊāŠūāŠ°āŦ āŠ āŠ§āŠ°āŠĪāŦāŠĻāŠū āŠāŠ°āŦāŠāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠāŦāŠŠāŠūāŠŊāŦāŠēāŠūāŠ āŠ°āŠđāŠļāŦāŠŊāŦ āŠāŠūāŠĢāŠĩāŠū
āŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠāŦāŠŪ āŠ āŠŪāŦāŠ°āŠŋāŠāŠūāŠĨāŦ
āŠāŠĩāŦ āŠŠāŠđāŦāŠāŠāŦ āŠāŦ. āŠāŦ āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĨāŠŪ āŠļāŠŋāŠ°āŦāŠđāŦ
āŠ āŠĻāŦ āŠĪāŦāŠŊāŠūāŠ°āŠŽāŠūāŠĶ āŠ āŠŪāŦāŠ°āŠāŠĒ
āŠĩāŠŋāŠļāŦāŠĪāŠūāŠ°āŠĻāŦ āŠŠāŠđāŠūāŠĄāŦāŠ āŠāŦāŠāŠĶāŦ āŠ āŠĻāŦāŠ
āŠ°āŠđāŠļāŦāŠŊāŦ āŠāŠāŦāŠēāŠķāŦ.
āŠ āŠ°āŠĩāŠēāŦāŠēāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠŠāŠ°āŦāŠĩāŠĪāŠŪāŠūāŠģāŠūāŠāŠĻāŠūāŠ
āŠ°āŠđāŠļāŦāŠŊāŠĻāŠūāŠ āŠļāŠāŠķāŦāŠ§āŠĻ āŠŪāŠūāŠāŦ āŠāŠĩāŦāŠēāŦ
āŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠ āŠāŦāŠŪāŠĻāŠū āŠļāŠĶāŠļāŦāŠŊ
āŠ°āŠŋāŠĪāŦāŠķāŠāŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ° āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŦāŠđāŠŋāŠĪāŦ āŠāŠĢāŠūāŠĩāŦāŠŊāŦāŠ
āŠđāŠĪāŦāŠ āŠāŦ, āŠ°āŠūāŠāŠļāŦāŠĨāŠūāŠĻāŠĻāŠū āŠļāŠŋāŠ°āŦāŠđāŦ āŠ āŠĻāŦ
āŠĪāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠĻāŠāŦāŠ āŠāŠĩāŦāŠēāŠū āŠŽāŠĻāŠūāŠļāŠāŠūāŠāŠ āŠū
āŠāŠŋāŠēāŦāŠēāŠūāŠĻāŦ āŠ āŠĩāŠ°āŠĩāŠēāŦāŠēāŦāŠĻāŦ
āŠāŠŋāŠ°āŠŋāŠāŠāŠĶāŠ°āŠūāŠāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŦ§āŦĶāŦĶ āŠāŠ°āŦāŠĄ āŠĩāŠ°āŦāŠ·
āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠūāŠĢāŦ āŠāŠĪāŠŋāŠđāŠūāŠļ āŠĶāŠŽāŠūāŠŊāŦāŠēāŦ āŠđāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠĻāŦ
āŠāŠķāŠāŠāŠūāŠĻāŦ āŠēāŠ āŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠāŦ āŠĶāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠ°āŠū
āŠāŦāŠĩ āŠāŠĪāŦāŠŠāŠĪāŦāŠĪāŠŋāŠĻāŠūāŠ āŠāŠūāŠ°āŠĢāŦāŠĻāŦ
āŠāŠūāŠĢāŠĩāŠū āŠŪāŠūāŠāŦ āŠĪāŦ āŠļāŠŪāŠŊāŠĻāŠū āŠĩāŠūāŠĪāŠūāŠĩāŠ°āŠĢāŠĻāŦ
āŠāŠūāŠĢāŠāŠūāŠ°āŦ āŠļāŦāŠĨāŦ āŠŪāŠđāŠĪāŦāŠĪāŦāŠĩāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠĄāŦ āŠāŦ,
āŠĪāŦāŠŪāŠ āŠŪāŠūāŠĻāŠĩ āŠāŠĪāŦāŠŠāŠĪāŦāŠĪāŠŋāŠĻāŠūāŠ āŠāŠūāŠ°āŠĢāŦ
āŠĪāŠĨāŠū āŠĪāŦ āŠāŠūāŠģāŠĻāŠū āŠĩāŠūāŠĪāŠūāŠĩāŠ°āŠĢāŠĻāŦ
āŠāŠūāŠĢāŠāŠūāŠ°āŦ āŠŪāŠūāŠāŦ āŠāŠūāŠ°āŠĻāŦāŠāŦ
āŠāŠĻāŦāŠļāŦāŠāŠŋāŠāŠŊāŦāŠ āŠāŠŦ āŠĩāŦāŠķāŠŋāŠāŠāŦāŠāŠĻ āŠĪāŠĨāŠū
āŠāŠūāŠ°āŠĪ āŠļāŠ°āŠāŠūāŠ°āŠĻāŠū āŠļāŠūāŠŊāŠĻāŦāŠļ āŠĪāŦāŠŪāŠ
āŠāŦāŠāŦāŠĻāŦāŠēāŦāŠāŦ āŠĩāŠŋāŠāŠūāŠāŦ āŠ āŠ°āŠĩāŠēāŦāŠēāŦāŠĻāŦ
āŠŠāŠ°āŦāŠĩāŠĪāŠŪāŠūāŠģāŠūāŠĻāŦ āŠķāŦāŠāŠāŠēāŠūāŠāŠĻāŦāŠ
āŠ āŠāŦāŠŊāŠŊāŠĻ āŦ§āŦŪ āŠāŦāŠāŠēāŠū āŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠ
āŠāŠūāŠĪāŦāŠ°āŦāŠĻāŦ āŠāŦāŠŪ āŠļāŠūāŠĨāŦ āŠķāŠ°āŦ āŠāŠ°āŠūāŠŊāŦāŠ
āŠāŦ.
āŠāŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠāŠūāŠļ āŠāŠ°āŦāŠĻāŦ āŠ§āŠ°āŠĪāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠŊāŦ āŠŠāŠ°
āŠĪāŦāŠŪāŠ āŠŪāŠāŠāŠģ āŠāŦāŠ°āŠđ āŠ āŠĻāŦ āŠ āŠ°āŠĩāŠēāŦāŠēāŦāŠĻāŦ
āŠŠāŠđāŠūāŠĄāŦāŠĻāŦāŠ āŠ āŠŪāŦāŠ°āŠŋāŠāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠāŦāŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠ āŠĶāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠ°āŠū āŠŪāŠŋāŠēāŠĻ
āŠāŠ°āŠūāŠĩāŦ āŠĪāŠūāŠ°āŠĢ āŠāŠūāŠĒāŠĩāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠāŠĩāŠķāŦ.
āŠĻāŦāŠāŠ§āŠŠāŠūāŠĪāŦāŠ° āŠāŦ āŠāŦ, āŠāŦ āŠ°āŦāŠĪāŦ
āŠāŠĪāŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠŽāŠĶāŠēāŠūāŠĩ āŠāŠĩāŦ āŠāŦ āŠĪāŦ āŠ āŠ°āŦāŠĪāŦ
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āŠāŠđāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠŊ āŠāŦ, āŠŪāŠūāŠāŦ āŠ§āŠ°āŠĪāŦāŠĻāŠū āŠāŠ°āŦāŠāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠāŦāŠŠāŠūāŠŊāŦāŠēāŠūāŠ āŠ°āŠđāŠļāŦāŠŊāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠūāŠĢāŠāŠūāŠ°āŦ
āŠŪāŠūāŠāŦ āŠŠāŠđāŠūāŠĄāŦāŠĻāŦāŠ āŠ āŠāŦāŠŊāŠŊāŠĻ āŠāŠ°āŦāŠ°āŦ āŠāŦ.
āŠŽāŠĻāŠūāŠļāŠāŠūāŠāŠ āŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠĩāŠŋāŠŠāŦāŠē āŠāŠāŠĄāŠūāŠ°
āŠ āŠ°āŠĩāŠēāŦāŠēāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠŋāŠ°āŠŋāŠāŠāŠĶāŠ°āŠūāŠ
āŠŽāŠĻāŠūāŠļāŠāŠūāŠāŠ āŠū āŠāŠŋāŠēāŦāŠēāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠāŠĩāŦāŠēāŦ āŠāŦ,
āŠāŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠĶāŠūāŠāŠĪāŠū āŠ āŠĻāŦ āŠ āŠŪāŦāŠ°āŠāŠĒ
āŠĪāŠūāŠēāŦāŠāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠĻāŠūāŠĻāŦ-āŠŪāŦāŠāŦ āŠđāŠāŠūāŠ°āŦ
āŠŠāŠđāŠūāŠĄāŦāŠāŠĻāŦ āŠļāŠŪāŦāŠđ āŠāŦ. āŠāŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠ āŠĻāŦāŠ
āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠāŠūāŠ°āŠĻāŦ āŠĩāŠŋāŠŠāŦāŠē āŠāŠāŠĄāŠūāŠ°
āŠ§āŠ°āŠŽāŠūāŠŊāŦāŠēāŦ āŠāŦ.
āŠāŠ°āŠāŠĻāŠū āŠ°āŠĢāŠĻāŦāŠ āŠŠāŠĢ āŠļāŠāŠķāŦāŠ§āŠĻ...
āŠŪāŠūāŠĻāŠĩ āŠāŠĪāŦāŠŠāŠĪāŦāŠĪāŠŋāŠĻāŦ āŠĪāŠŠāŠūāŠļ āŠŪāŠūāŠāŦ
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āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĪāŦāŠ āŠĻāŠĨāŦ. āŠ āŠđāŦāŠ āŠ āŠāŦāŠŊāŠŊāŠĻ āŠāŠ°āŦāŠŊāŠū
āŠŽāŠūāŠĶ āŠ āŠĩāŦāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻāŠŋāŠāŦāŠĻāŦ āŠāŦāŠŪ āŠĶāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠ°āŠū
āŠāŠ°āŠāŠĻāŠū āŠ°āŠĢāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠŠāŠĢ āŠļāŠāŠķāŦāŠ§āŠĻāŠāŠūāŠ°āŦāŠŊ
āŠđāŠūāŠĨ āŠ§āŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠāŠĩāŠĻāŠūāŠ°āŦāŠ āŠđāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠĻāŦāŠ
āŠāŦāŠŪāŠĻāŠū āŠļāŠāŦāŠŊ āŠ°āŠŋāŠĪāŦāŠ·āŠāŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ°
āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŦāŠđāŠŋāŠĪāŦ āŠāŠĢāŠūāŠĩāŦāŠŊāŦāŠ āŠđāŠĪāŦāŠ.
Though geologist all over the world do visit to research in Kutch but Geological
study has not been given such a priority in KUTCH. Kutch do have fossilised
strombolites in Gangeshwar dome area. when it was under shalow sea water it has
LIVING fossils at that time but later with the uplift of the area from the sea
bed. those fossils are plenty on the gangeshwar hill area.
Though Australians and Americans geologist has dome more to study similar
fossils in PERTH of AUSTRALIA. none of geologist has given the time to the
strombolites foosils of Gangeshwar dome of KUTCH. similarly Bay of Kutch is
full of misteries. Diving in bay of kutch reveals a beutiful coral seabed and
planty of Living STROMATOLITES which are original organisms of the time of the
evolution of life on the Earth. picture of the BAY of kutch and Perth Australlia
are attached along with gangeshwar dome strombolites fossils in KUTCH
Which proves the KUTCH land formation is since the LIFE evolved on the Earth and
well beyond the time we think. and need more study of the fossil records.
documentry film for this subject is vailable for reference study in the
Geological Library of KUTCH SCIENCE FOUNDATION GEOLOGICAl section.
Geology Department, Univ of California at Davis, Davis, CA 95616,
sumner@... and ANDRES, Miriam S., Rosenstiel School of Marine
and Atmospheric Science, University of Miami, 4600 Rickenbacker Causeway, Miami,
FL 33149
In honor of Prof. Ginsburg and the numerous insightful conversations we have had
with him, we present new results on processes causing lithification in modern
Bahamian stromatolites. As Ginsburg has argued for longer than we have been
scientists, understanding how modern stromatolites or âstrombolitesâ form
and lithify is critical to properly interpreting the origins of ancient
stromatolites. Microbial roles in stromatolite lithification can be traced in
carbonates because microbial communities produce carbon isotopic shifts when
they cycle local DIC (dissolved inorganic carbon). Thus, the isotopic
composition of carbonates can record ancient microbial CO2 cycling, providing
insights into the processes of stromatolite growth and microbial influences on
carbonate chemistry. In shallow subtidal modern stromatolites from Highborne
Cay, Bahamas, authigenic aragonite preserves a carbon isotopic record of
heterotrophic microbial influences on DIC; authigenic aragonite is >1 per mil
depleted in 13C relative to aragonite that precipitated in equilibrium with
local seawater. Even though cyanobacteria raise pH during peak photosynthesis,
more aragonite precipitates when and where respiration influences local DIC.
These results are consistent with 1) sulfate reduction promoting carbonate
precipitation and 2) calcium release during decay of exopolymeric substances as
previously reported. Thus, heterotrophs play a more important role than
phototrophs in Bahamian stromatolite lithification on a local scale. However,
organic matter produced by cyanobacteria supports the heterotrophic community.
Thus, the absence of an autotrophic isotopic signature in the rock record cannot
imply the absence of photosynthetic activity.
Heterotrophic signatures may also be difficult to observe in ancient
stromatolites. With continued lithification, the 1-2â° Îī13C shifts will be
diluted by carbonate precipitation during early diagenesis and burial. Thus,
microbial isotopic signatures in shallow subtidal stromatolites are only likely
to be identified in exceptional circumstances. Identifying ancient microbial
signatures will require careful sampling to separate carbonate components with
different isotopic signatures and carbonates that precipitated on the spatial
scales influenced by microbial communities.
If oyu are just waiting to hear for the Hominid Fossils found in the KUTCH, your
wish will be copleted very soon in near future! teams are working to get the
perfect evidence proofs and soon reach to conclusion to clear the confusions.Do
not be surprised if you get a good vews of unexpected HOMINID fossil find in the
KUTCH of GUJARAT INDIA. Though most of the geologist stick to the darwinian
beliefs, But thats not the coplete truth and thats the reality that darwinian
theory is not the coplete science of creation of the GOD.Many of the geologist
are in favour of the New Study Supporting the Idea That Primates and Dinosaurs
Coexisted. and Many geologists do stay away from those Geologist but must not
afraid of these but dare to read their finding facts too. GEOLOGIST opposing
those viws must read the BOOK about the hominid evolution, the canals studied
of many living primates, 'Review of Forbidden Archaeology: The Hidden History of
the Human Race.' Books and Documentry Filming evedenses are avilable for
reference ONLy at out Science library geology sections. MANY GEOLOGISTS did
LAUGH when first news of fossils of GIANTS CROCODILION published very first time
just after the KUTCH EARTHQUAKE in 2001. But Now atleast FOUR crocodillion
fossil specimens are discoverd from Kutch sediments. Though many have not
visited those museum places to see them may be lack of information to them.But
here is details of those 1) in PANDHROW Mine GEOLOGY MUSEUM at PANDROW - KUTCH @
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=23.6896473&lon=68.7201691&z=14&l=0&m=a&v=2&search=Pana\
ndhro2) Bharatioya SANSKRITI DARSHAN Museum of BHUJ - SPECIMAN PICTURES MAP AND
LOACTION @
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=23.241982&lon=69.6648324&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2&show=/884307\
/Bharatiya-Sankriti-Darsan-Museum3) specimen is under process of retrieving and
the 4) the very first and the BIGGEST OF ALL is been destroyed due to lack to
understand the preserving the precious fossil treasere.Geo ARCHEOLOGICAL
LIBRARY LISTING of KUTCH SCIENCE FOUNDATION DIGITAL LIBRARY
15) 100s of Books of Archaeological library WITH ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ARCHEOLOGY ,
Forbidden archaeology including Civilisation and DHOLAVIRA video library, INCA,
MAYA, EGYPT, INDUS etc.
16) 100s of Books of Geological Science Library including fossils and DINO
fossils complete sets of Photographic libraries INCLUDING Forbidden Geology,
ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GEOLOGY. including video library INCLUDING Forbidden Geology
video.
Many doubts were raised when ETV and Bombay SAMACHAR broadcasted the following
news, with doubt that the PURVA - Aadi MANAV ancestor was not existing at that
time but now the skeleton evidence came out that the ancestor missing link was
there at that time before (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago) between 11 and 16
million years ago.
The partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old 'missing link' was found by
palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in Spain.
That time matches with the Rameshwarm bridge and RAMAVATAR and Koteshwar -
RAVANa History (Tretauga), means Formation of MONKEY and Apes army formation by
DEVAs. that will rule out all the doubts raised for the PURVA - Aadi MANAV.
Hominid Foot prints found in older layers may have been formed later in the
geological process but the study of Photomicrographs and infrared photography is
required so that to eliminate that there were no signs of carving or artificial
markings in or around the prints. A study of microscopic count of sand grains is
ralso required so indicating that the material within the prints had been
impacted, and created as the result of a force pressing down on the firmament
while it was soft. These facts show that the prints were made by the natural
result of pressure from the human foot, and in no way could have been duplicated
by carving nor only the pheneonmena of honeycomb appearance as the study of
Photomicrographs and infrared photography can differnciate the compact sand
particles under the pressurepoints which are not in honeycomb pattern
appearance.Many geologists and paleontologists do visit with curiocity of the
specimen and the subject but have no background of study of Photomicrographs and
infrared photography and its geological/paleontological applications so do not
have any clue or chance to study those subjects in that angle of research.
unfortunately lack of resourses and facility for such a research. Phase Two
Fossils: Burroughs Conjecture
The most cogent explanation of anomalous fossil footprints is perhaps offered by
Dr. William Greely Burroughs, of Berea College in Kentucky. Dr. Burroughs
conjecture is that a depression in fossil-bearing rock may, long after the
original fossils have been formed, be filled with a sediment that in its turn
may also become the medium in which the impression of a footprint or the body of
a creature is fossilized. When this second period of fossilization is complete
the newly formed rock may be indistinguishable from the older formation, and the
new fossils may appear to have formed at the same time as those which are much
older. Thus, several fossilization processes may wind up looking like a
footprint made at the same time. This is undoubtebly the case in many instances,
but the theory is lacking in several respects. Firstly, fossilized human
footprints have been found deep within rocks that show no evidence of
discontinuous formation, not just at the junction of sedimentary layers.
Secondly, out of place fossils are often inconsistent not only with the ages of
associated fossils but also with the rock strata and the age conventionally
ascribed to them.
New Study Supports Idea That Primates, Dinosaurs Coexisted !!!!
Sientists have acquired new data supporting the idea that the last ancestor
shared by all living primates walked with the dinosaurs more than 80 million
years ago. The results came from a new technique used to reconstruct the course
of animal evolution.Previously, opposing scientific camps estimated that the
animal that gave rise to the primates lived as recently as 55 million years ago
and as long ago as 90 million years. The newly proposed date is closer to the
older end of the range.
That's significant because the older estimate, which was derived from studies
based on molecular genetics, identifies the earliest primates as contemporaries
of the dinosaurs. The younger date, which was based on fossil records,
represents a period after the dinosaurs had already become extinct. 'Our results
agree broadly with a molecular estimate [and] contradict widely accepted
palaeontological estimates,' Simon TavarÃĐ of the University of Southern
California and his colleagues reported in the journal Nature. Their finding
sprang from a scientific collaboration that straddled the fields of biology and
mathematics and spanned research centers from California to the Swiss Alps.
Working with colleagues from Harvard University, the University of Washington,
Chicago's Field Museum, and institutions in England and Switzerland, TavarÃĐ
used a novel mathematical approach to help answer a major piece of the
evolutionary puzzle. Past Views The search for the first primateâthat is, the
last animal to have been an ancestor of all members of the primate family
treeâhas long intrigued scientists and others interested in humanity's
evolutionary origins. From the oldest known fossil remains of primates,
paleontologists have determined that some ancient members of our evolutionary
family lived and died at least as far back as 55 million years ago. Fossils
alone, however, cannot disclose precisely when members of the last common
ancestral species began to segregate into distinct populations that eventually
gave rise to the modern array of some 200 primate species. That's because the
fossil record is incomplete. Paleontologists can't tell how close any particular
specimen was to the progenitor of the primates. So, to approach the problem from
another angle, scientists in the field of molecular genetics have compared
subtle differences in the DNA of living primates. Geneticists can tell how
recently two species diverged from a common ancestor from information etched in
the organisms' genes: The fewer differences researchers find between two genetic
codes, the more recently the species parted evolutionary company. Using this
method, geneticists have concluded that about 90 million years have elapsed
since all living primates shared their last common ancestor. Based on such
studies, evolutionary biologists such as Pennsylvania State University's Blair
Hedges believe that early primates lived alongside the great reptiles.
'[Primates and other] major groups of mammals evolved for tens of millions of
years before the dinosaurs became extinct,' Hedges said. That mass extinction
occurred about 65 million years ago.
Fleshing out the Fossil Record
To reconcile the genetics-based date with the comparatively young estimates of
paleontologists, TavarÃĐ and his colleagues fashioned an evolutionary tree of
the primates as it's known from fossils.
Not wanting to depend entirely on what paleontologists have turned up, the
researchers then fleshed out the rudimentary tree with educated guesswork. They
used mathematical equations to predict how many species of primates are not
represented in the fossil record, and to predict when and for how long those
species may have lived.
The resulting modelâbased loosely on hard evidence but expanded to take into
account species that lived and died out but remain unknown to scienceâsuggests
that the earliest primate lived about 81.5 million years ago, long before the
age of the oldest fossils uncovered by paleontologists.
'Naturally,' said Hedges, 'I am pleased with this result because it shows
agreement with our molecular-clock studies.'
TavarÃĐ's team suggested that the earliest primates might have been small,
nocturnal creatures that inhabited tropical forests. But, assuming they did
exist that long ago, numerous forms could have evolved prior to the fateful
cataclysm that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.
That event, presumably caused by a giant impact from outerspace, didn't wipe out
all primates living at the time, but probably spared relatively few of them,
TavarÃĐ theorized. Those primates that survived would have subsequently evolved
into myriad species.
'Of course, this is all speculation,' TavarÃĐ acknowledged. 'We have not found
any fossils in that bin yet.'
In fact, scientists may never know how these proposed lost kin of ours
lookedâor be certain they existed at allâunless paleontologists someday
recover fossilized remains. FROM YOURS Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of
INDIA.http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/President:'Kutch
Science Foundation'.Founder :'Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj -
Kutch'.Life Member:'kutch Itihaas
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From: kutchsciencefoundation@... To: annamraju_2000@...;
akghosh_in@...; amitkg1@...: RE: SEE the picture and
just try to read picture what you understand of this pictureDate: Mon, 12 Jan
2009 17:01:52 +0000
Dear Dear Dr. RAJANIKANTH, Dr. RAO and Dr. GHOSH,
Thank you for your reply, We do have many more exposures as well as many video
recordings on this subjects and from MANY areasof KUTCH and worldwide, and wish
when ever you visit KUTCH do contact us in July/AUGUST of 2009 as I will be
expecting more expeditions in remote areas. As I will be THERE to participate
the TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE of 22JULY 2009.
Also we are looking for support on paleontology and PaleoBotany as Kutch is
Lacking such specialist in KUTCH. if you wish any sulppliments from out SCIENCE
LIBRARY , Geology library please inform us we have VAST library for many
subjects with documentries.
Now our Millions page Digital DATA libraries in Kutch Science Foundations & many
more to come.
15) Archaeological library WITH ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ARCHEOLOGY , Forbidden
archaeology including Civilisation and DHOLAVIRA video library, INCA, MAYA,
EGYPT, INDUS etc.
16) Geological Science Library including fossils and DINO fossils complete sets
of Photographic libraries INCLUDING Forbidden Geology, ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GEOLOGY.
including video library
17) History, Science Documentary and science Discoveries, GEO DISCOVERIES and
civilisations Digital and digital Video libraries. including video library
18) Reference Library of ancient civilisation and geological science of Kutch
AND ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GEOTECTONICS . including video library
19) Reference Library for Birds and Environment & Nature library of Kutch AND
ENCYCLOPEDIA OF BIRDS, ENCYCLOPEDIA OF NATURE , ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ANIMAL including
video library
21) Books On Botany and science, and ENCYCLOPEDIA OF Science including video
library
And many more to come
Thanks for the information. It was really a good effort. Keep it up
with best wishes
Dr M R Rao
BSIP
Lucknow
Dear Dr. BHUDIA,
THANKS FOR KEEPING INFORMED LATEST SCIENCE NEWS.
DR. ANNAMRAJU RAJANIKANTH
Scientist Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeobotany 53 University Road, Lucknow-226
007, U.P. INDIA FAX: 0091-522-2740485, 2740098 Phone: (0522)-2740008, Ext. 232,
(Res: 2782857),
Mobile: 9415104211
From: Amit Ghosh & annam raju
To: hpatel63@...
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: Fossil Presents to Department of GEOLOGY BHUJ
Dear Dr. BHUDIA,
Thank you very much for sending me the e-mail. Anyway, my contribution towards
the micropalaeontolgy of Kachchh will continue in future. Wishing you a very
good luck.
With very best wishes and regards,
Amit K. Ghosh
DR. AMIT KUMAR GHOSH, Scientist Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeobotany 53
University Road, Lucknow-226 007, U.P. INDIA FAX: 0091-522-2740485, 2740098
Phone: (0522)-2740008, Ext. 232, (Res: 2782857),
Mobile: 9415104211 E-mail: akghosh_in@.../amitkg1@... Date:
Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:59:45 -0800From: annamraju_2000@...: Re: SEE
the picture and just try to read picture what you understand of this pictureTo:
kutchsciencefoundation@... THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION ON FOSSIL WOODS.
MAY I KNOW SOME MORE EXPOSURES LIKE THIS IN KUTCH.
RAJANIKANTHMon, 29/12/08, Dr. Bhudia drbhudia@... wrote: Date: Monday,
29 December, 2008, 6:58 PM
Sub:- Is the news CORRECT that Biggest Ammonite fossil of the world is Found in
KUTCH ! http://www.kutchmitradaily.com/News.aspx?id=25567
If Pictures are not seen in emails both are attched in email as 1) Amomonide
filosirasis in KUTCH.jpg and 2) Ammonite size.JPG
Thu, 29/12/08, Dr Bhudia Kutch Science Foundation From:
kutchsciencefoundation@... Dear EDITORIALS, Friends of the Science,
History, palaeontology and Geology,
Recently KutchMitra Published an exiting news of discovery of biggest ammonite
fossil from KUTCH . But I dont know how all these facts are ignored.
1) fossil age of 1.6 crors of years is totally wrong. As those marine life
existing in Jurassic and Pre Jurassic period, that should have been confirmed
from a reliable palaeontologist /geologist or any of geology library BOOK
RECOERDS. Correct age of such ammonites is between 65 million to 195 millions =
6.5 crors to 19.5 crors of years. And KHATROD range marine fossils are of that
age dating back to 160 millions of years = 16 crors years old.
If Pictures are not seen in emails both are attched in email as 1) Amomonide
filosirasis in KUTCH.jpg and 2) Ammonite size.JPG
2) Also it has been said that the fossil of 50 cm size is biggest of such in the
world. But thats totally a BLUFF as 52 cm size is presently in specimen of
BHARATIYA SANSKRITI DARSHAN Museum of BHUJ . How one can ignore such fact
present in museum at HOME? And actually Ammonites fossils are of biggest size of
about 5 feet size and picture is attaché for the proofs. I think one should
update all such facts and correct findings should reach to public and science
can not be compromised beyond the facts. News media and geologist should
correlate the knowledge of science facts and research.
This specimen of Ammonite of 5 feet size in the Museum are also present
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Dear Dr Thakkar saheb,
Thanks for querry, I think that message was some time around april2008. and that
old mail may be possible to trace from my emails accounts or science group
message archieves. but I need some help from you. if you are not able to read
email/message from your email account, or can not access URL links from internet
LINKS in EMAIL OR deleted?
If you can give me a DATE of email and copy EMAIL heading with date - please
copy and forward me in reply Email - so it will be easy for me to trace the
email /article from my email accounts/science group message/file archieves.
please stay in touch and send us your comments to support us and the sience
groups working.
Thank you
Mean time I send original report of APRIL 2008 Apr 25, 2008 0:07 | Updated Apr
25, 2008 2:11
Research: Early man near vanished in Africa
For a large part of its history the early human race was split into two separate
species, and was so small that it likely verged on extinction, an Israeli-led
genetic study has shown. The research shows that two separate populations may
have formed in the East and South of Africa, and perhaps dropped to as few as
2,000.
The study also demonstrates that DNA samples from people alive today - and not
only studies of bones, archeological evidence and wall drawings - can be used to
determine how the human race evolved.
The analysis - just published in the American Journal of Human Genetics and led
by Dr. Doron Behar at Rambam Medical Center's laboratory of molecular medicine
in Haifa and Dr. Saharon Rosset of IBM's T.J. Watson Research Center in New York
and Tel Aviv University - is said to be the most extensive survey to date of
African mitochondrial DNA handed down by mothers since the beginning of the
human race.
"The migrations 60,000 years ago that led modern humans on their epic journeys
to populate the world have been the primary focus of anthropological genetic
research, but relatively little is known about the demographic history of our
species over the previous 140,000 years in Africa," Behar said. "The new study
returned the focus to Africa, and in doing so refines our understanding of early
modern Homo sapiens history."
"This study illustrates the extraordinary power of genetics to reveal insights
into some of the key events in our species history. Tiny bands of early humans,
forced apart by harsh environmental conditions, coming back from the brink to
reunite and populate the world. It was truly an epic drama, written in our DNA,"
said Dr. Spencer Wells, a National Geographic explorer-in-residence and director
of the Genographic Project.
For the article called "The Dawn of Human Matrilineal Diversity," the
researchers used blood or cheek epithelial cell samples stored in labs around
the world - that included mitochondrial DNA - from some 600 people who
originated in Africa. The researchers put a special focus on the Himla Soodyall
indigenous people, who number in the thousands to tens of thousands and whose
native language consists of clicks.
Various studies in other disciplines showed these people had many things in
common, including their features and the fact that they were hunter-gatherers
rather than farmers.
The 600 unrelated participants, including 38 Himla Soodyall and people from all
of North Africa - including Chad, Egypt, Guinea-Bissau, Cameroon, Morocco,
Tunisia and even Israeli Jews, Beduin and Druse - gave their informed consent
for taking part in the research.
The researchers' analyses of the extensive genotyped data provided surprising
insights into the early demographic history of human populations before they
moved out of Africa. Research shows that early human populations were small and
isolated both geographically and socially from each other for tens of thousands
of years.
"Our aim was to document if these people descend from the oldest in the human
species. It seems that their ancestors split off from other Africans between
90,000 and 150,000 years ago and were isolated due to topographical and other
reasons," Behar told The Jerusalem Post on Thursday. "Small groups of
hunter-gatherers looked for a good place to live in a difficult environment."
Recent paleoclimatological data suggest that eastern Africa went through a
series of massive droughts between 90,000 and 135,000 years ago. It is possible,
the researchers suggest, that this climatological shift contributed to the
population splits. What is surprising is the length of time the populations were
separate - as much as half of our entire history as a species.
The genetic split in Africa resulted in distinct populations that lived in
isolation for as much as 100,000 years, the scientists say. At the time of the
split - some 150,000 years ago - our species, Homo sapiens, was still confined
to the African continent.
On one side of this divide were the mitochondrial lineages now found
predominantly in East and West Africa, and all maternal lineages found outside
Africa.
On the other side of the divide are lineages predominantly found in the Khoi and
San (Khoisan) hunter-gatherer people of southern Africa.
This could have been caused by arid conditions driving a wedge between humans in
eastern and southern Africa.
It would be the longest period for which modern human populations have been
isolated from one another.
The isolated African groups started to meet up again with each other about
40,000 years ago, during the African Late Stone Age, and then grew in numbers
and moved to an expanding area. Many archeologists believe this era heralded the
beginning of fully modern human behavior, including abstract thought and complex
spoken language.
Other researchers have hypothesized that during the initial isolation, about
70,000 years ago, Homo sapiens was almost wiped out, with the world population
numbering as low as 2,000 people. But they banded together and survived.
The researchers were members of the Genographic Project launched in 2005 by
National Geographic and IBM, with field research supported by the Waitt Family
Foundation and laboratory research supported by Applied Biosystems. The aim was
to use genetics as a tool to address anthropological questions on a global
scale. A consortium of 10 regional scientific teams took DNA samples and
analyzed them in their respective regions.
Mitochondrial DNA, inherited down the maternal line, was used to discover the
age of the famous "mitochondrial Eve" in 1987, said Behar. This work has since
been extended to show unequivocally that the most recent common female ancestor
of everyone alive today was an African woman who lived in the past 200,000
years. Paleontology provides corroborating evidence that our species originated
in Africa approximately 200,000 years ago.
"We see strong evidence of ancient population splitsbeginning as early as
150,000 years ago, probably giving rise to separate populations localized to
eastern and southern Africa," Behar said.
While human populations had been quite small prior to the Late Stone Age, the
expansion after this time led to the occupation of many previously uninhabited
areas, including the world beyond Africa.
"It was only around 40,000 years ago that they became part of a single
pan-African population, reunited after as much as 100,000 years apart."
Rosset said that "the analysis of such a massive dataset presents statistical
and computational challenges as well as great opportunities for discovery of the
events that shaped our history and genetic landscape. For example, we can see
evidence of a population expansion period starting around 70,000 years ago,
perhaps leading to the out-of-Africa dispersal shortly afterward."
Paleontologist Meave Leakey, a Genographic advisory board member, National
Geographic explorer-in-residence and research professor at Stony Brook
University in New York, said: "Who would have thought that as recently as 70,000
years ago, extremes of climate had reduced our population to such small numbers
that we were on the very edge of extinction?"
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Dear Docs, medicos, friends of ARCHEOLOGY, GENOLOGY, Mythology, science and
History.
DNA forum discussion on origin of civilisation and their indian origin
Kutch Science Foundation KUTCH: timings of Budhist wrongly stated as 4000BC or
even 4000 years ago - time of budhist do not go back beyond 2500 years with
history pf ancestry listing names of king and kingdome
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I just visted your site of DNA forum, read comments and seen a partial correct -
partial incomplete becouse of lack of full linguistic and archeological
experience , eg KUBERA ws Brother Of RAWAN driven out by his younger brother
RAWAN - we can trace whole ancestry from original sansrit RAMAYANA, their
fathers grand fathare etc. similarly KALSH CHITRAL - most of have not visited
nor studied they are just reading from internet source. but need to understand
all festivals, customs, language etc. i have pictures of INDRA carved in
mountains if those kalash velly. CHAUMAS - 4 months of farming. chitral is not
written with "S" but pronounced "s" as "Shetral" mean FIELD in KHOWAR lenguage.
they worship SHETRA pal as we do as KHETAR pal, geneticaly they are Indo Aryans
& many more
FULL DETAILED DISCUSSION BELOW QUOTE (parasar @ Nov 13 2008, 11:24 PM) Kubera is
a mythological personage from Ceylon. He left Ceylon for Hataka or Tibet. I
don't know if there is any relation to Kubha, but there is some connection to
Guha or cave. The inhabitants of Ceylon prior to the migration of Sinhalas were
called Yakkas/Yaksha/Raksha. Kubera was their chief. When he moved to Tibet the
Yakkas moved there too.
One of the Shiva forms is called Hataka-esvara the Siva of (the land of the
Kushanas?) the western Tibet table land mentioned in Mahabharata After taking
the country called Hataka, governed by the Guhyakas.
I think Guhayakas means cave-dwellers the same as Guhas/guhilla. Their chief in
Buddhist texts is Kubera which harkens to the ku-beiros of the greek mythology.
The chief deity of the Nagar Brahmans is Hatakesvara.
The Ramayana has the story of Kubera, the king of the Yakshas, who was driven
out of Lanka by Ravana. Similarly, the Buddhist annals speak of a King Vessavana
or Kubera who moved to the northern quarter with his Yakkas.
Then it is likely so that Western Tibet is related to the Kushans, is that
correct? There is a people called Ladakh / Ladakhi in Tibet and India. It would
have been interesting to know if they were descendants of the Kushans. Like the
Kalash, the Ladakh and the Kalash seem to have quite similar cultural
traditions. Do you have any idea if there are or have been Buddhist traditions
in Kalash?
May be the Viking Eirik Raude got his red-hair genes from there. Kasmir
http://mattwrigley.com/images/india/redbeard.jpg
Nomad Himachal Pradesh,
Indiahttp://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/15...m/pd1501059.jpg
Without knowing much about this part of the world, it seems from what you are
writing and from what I have read that the Kushan have been worshippers of Shiva
(therefore Saivas) and that they are closely related to the Nagars (worshippers
of serpents). There are possible parallels to Kubera or Jambala in the deities
called Jomala or Jumala in the Nordic and in Estonia. Even if texts from the
1600-1700eds (e.g. Schefferus, Frankfurt, 1673) tell that the Lapons, the
Finlanders and the Estonians worshipped these deities these traditions might
have been a heritage of a common culture before there were declared nations and
national state borders. It might have been a heritage of the Goths that were
close to and likely mixed with people from all these areas. The Lapons as he
calls them are the first people ofFinland, Sweden, Norway and western Russia.
Possible also in Estonia.
QUOTE (parasar @ Nov 13 2008, 11:24 PM) Runes may have progressed with the
Alani-Hun combination. This group was a mix between the Sarmatians and the
Turks. That Runic is related to a script in India - possible, but there is very
little evidence of writing in India from that period.
Couple of other theories, implying that Indics and Vikings may have shared a
common region:
Die Serren sind ohne Zweifel die Seren, die mit den Hindus weit von Osten
herkamen und in der Stadt Tanais [Don] oder im Indischen Hafen (portus sindicus)
[Kuban Delta]Reise auf dem Caspischen Meere und in dem by Carl Eduard von
Eichwald - 1838
"Asgard (As-Dag) in the Kuban delta, near Taman"A History of Russia By George
Vernadsky, Michael Karpovich
The Kushan in India were connected to the Turkish tribes and that is a much more
likely origin for the Issyk script than the Scythians.
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/30_...ionEn.htm#Issyk
The Issyk is an Old Turkic script.
The Script of the Goths:
(IMG:http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/aprerogative/The_Alphabet_of_the_Ge\
ats-OlausM-1.jpg)
Gothic Script: http://www.ancientscripts.com/gothic.html
Here is a guy that compares the Gökturk scripts with the Old Futhark and find
them related.http://www.antalya-ws.com/futhark/
About the Tanais and Don etc. it would have been very interesting if you posted
URLs to books, articles and photos that is evident about the connections
between the Black Sea areas and the Viking culture.
NB! These people could only have been a fraction of the ancestors of those who
later became part of the Viking culture.
In this site you can read about a Norwegian researcher that studied the Hindu
Kush and Indian areas in the mid 1900eds. He also describes a rich and specific
woodcarving tradition performed by a certain Bari caste.
http://www.chart.ac.uk/chart2001/papers/witek.html
I do not know anything about him, but whoever he was there seems to be a huge
material of photos and texts available. The URL of The Norway National Library
Website does not work well, however it might be possible to find out more about
his work in on this issues:
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I looked with interest the discussion that the svastika and the Labyrinth were
Indian in origin. when in fact there is early writings that talk of the
labyrinth in Egypt. see
[email="http://www.amazeingart.com/seven-wonders/egyptian-labyrinth.html"]here[/\
email] Of course it is well known in the Greek myths.
The svastika also shows it head early on in Armenia/ early Mesopotamiasee this
site
here[email="http://www.angelfire.com/hi/Azgaser/swastika.html"]http://www.angelf\
ire.com/hi/Azgaser/swastika.html[/email]Didnt one of the posts say one of the
shared haplogroups was with Armenia?
Joseph Campbells book oriental Mythology highlights a lot of the similarities
between the Egyptian and Indian cultures and religions.
The large ships found in Egypt with crusted barnacles, showed that they had been
at sea for at least 2-3 months. So could be another source of the spreading of
cultural symbols.
The travel between ancient people has left many remnants behind. That is what
makes it so interesting with Dna, to try and sort out who went where, or more
accurately settled where.
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This reminds me of the owner's marks used in Finland.
http://www.genealogia.fi/faq/faq030e.htm
Several of the known marks are of my ancestors. DMXX View Member
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QUOTE (Petrina @ Nov 16 2008, 09:32 PM) May be the Viking Eirik Raude got his
red-hair genes from there. Kasmir
http://mattwrigley.com/images/india/redbeard.jpg
Nomad Himachal Pradesh,
Indiahttp://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/15...m/pd1501059.jpg
Hmm... To me, it looks like they've dyed their beards with Henna. If their hair
really was a ginger colour, we'd see it from the roots going all the way to
their tips.
Take a look at these pictures for comparison:
Henna beards
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/6211160-lg.jpghttp://www.historycommons.org/event\
s-image...81722-17119.jpghttp://lh3.ggpht.com/_7QZssxHN1x8/RbYWeyTl...+2006+(716\
).JPGhttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/85/272008502_7e65499346.jpg
Naturally ginger/red
beardshttp://www.redbeardstikitours.com/user/bin...e_thumbnail.jpghttp://photo.m\
onkey.net/images/20060424192916_redbeard.jpghttp://farm2.static.flickr.com/1272/\
980597...236499d.jpg?v=0http://resurrectionsanmarcos.org/youth/wp-...0/red-beard\
.jpg
The pictures speak for themselves, really. The application of henna in
Middle-Eastern and Central/South Asian cultures is pretty widespread, especially
in the rural areas of southern Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and regions of India.
However, that isn't to say that all people with hair that's apparently ginger
have applied henna; I'm currently residing in a Middle-Eastern country with a
very high population of labourers from the Indian subcontinent, and I do
interact with them on a daily basis. And, true ginger hair, without the presence
of henna, is actually there. However, it isn't the predominant hair colour
amongst those individuals; I usually see black hair making up most of their head
hair, with general scattering of ginger here and there.But, to be quite honest,
I've seen more Levant Arabs and Turks with true ginger hair than South Asians,
so from personal experience, I'm unsure over it's relevance. Norr View
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I've wondered my DNA Tribes autosomal matches in north of India:
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QUOTE (Aromagician @ Nov 17 2008, 05:16 AM) I looked with interest the
discussion that the svastika and the Labyrinth were Indian in origin. when in
fact there is early writings that talk of the labyrinth in Egypt. see
[email="http://www.amazeingart.com/seven-wonders/egyptian-labyrinth.html"]here[/\
email] Of course it is well known in the Greek myths.
The svastika also shows it head early on in Armenia/ early Mesopotamiasee this
site
here[email="http://www.angelfire.com/hi/Azgaser/swastika.html"]http://www.angelf\
ire.com/hi/Azgaser/swastika.html[/email]Didnt one of the posts say one of the
shared haplogroups was with Armenia?
Joseph Campbells book oriental Mythology highlights a lot of the similarities
between the Egyptian and Indian cultures and religions.
The large ships found in Egypt with crusted barnacles, showed that they had been
at sea for at least 2-3 months. So could be another source of the spreading of
cultural symbols.
The travel between ancient people has left many remnants behind. That is what
makes it so interesting with Dna, to try and sort out who went where, or more
accurately settled where.
The oldest king mentioned in relation to the Egyptian labyrinth at Amenemhat III
(about 1860 -1814 BCE) found by a researchers 11,5 miles from pyramid Hawara in
Faioum, Egypt. It seems like that was a complex building.
It seems like the European labyrinths are younger, possible Iron Age and
medieval period.
However the Indian might be older than all of them, there are controversies if
the oldest labyrinth petroglyph found in Goa is from 2500 BCE. From what I can
remember the labyrinth symbols are also found in findings from the Harappan
civilization. I will post a link later.
It is surprising that they used ships as transport so very early, I have read
that they had developed tidal docks as about 2500 BCE in the present Gujarat
area.
A slight examination is sufficient to overturn this hypothesis. In the first
place, the triskelion, which is the foundation of this hypothesis, made its
first appearance on the coins of Lycia. But this appearance was within what is
called the first period of coinage, to wit, between 700 and 480 B. C., and it
did not become settled until the second, and even the third period, 280 to 240
B. C., when it migrated to Sicily.But the Swastika had already appeared in
Armenia, on the hill of Hissarlik, in the terraniares of northern Italy, and on
the hut-urns of southern Italy many hundred, possibly a thousand or more, years
prior to that time. Count dAlviella, in his plate 3 (see Chart I, p. 794),
assigns it to a period of the fourteenth or thirteenth century B. C., with an
unknown and indefinite past behind it. It is impossible that a symbol which
first appeared in 480 B. C. could have been the ancestor of one which appeared
in 1400 or 1300 B. C., nearly a thousand years before. End of quote from the
following book: http://www.archive.org/details/theswastika00wilsuoft
I did not find any other serious sources that confirmed the theory of Grigor
Ariyatsi that mentioned that it was 7000 5000 BCE in Armenia. If you have any
official sites confirming this theory it would be kind if you will post it. As
you see from the book, it tells that these symbols in Europe were 1400 - 1300
BCE.
The swastika sign was found on seals in the Indus Valley civilization, Ravi
River Phase that is dated from 3500 BCE (controversial) or for certain from 3300
BCE. http://www.crystalinks.com/induscivilization.htmlhttp://www.harappa.com/har/har0.html
This makes the Indus valley civilization older than the first dynasty of Menes
(Narmer) in Egypt about 3100 BCE. Likely these cultures must have existed as
parallel civilization.
What is the date of the large ships found that had been for several months at
sea?
About genes, what haplogroups connects the people of India / Pakistan and Egypt
today or via ancient DNA finds? Petrina View Member Profile Nov 17
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QUOTE (ilmari kivinen @ Nov 17 2008, 05:27 AM) This reminds me of the owner's
marks used in Finland.
http://www.genealogia.fi/faq/faq030e.htm
Several of the known marks are of my ancestors.
Not surprising that there are such similarities since the Futhark was used here
in the Nordic areas. I do not know if this meansthat the owner marks in Finland
are older or not, but it might be an indication.
Some of my ancestors in Sweden and Finland had a turned US dollar symbol; it is
clearly not inspired from the furhark (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I
remember that one because it was different. We call such owners marks Bumerke in
Norway. http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumerke DMXX View Member Profile
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QUOTE (Petrina @ Nov 17 2008, 08:47 AM) About genes, what haplogroups connects
the people of India / Pakistan and Egypt today or via ancient DNA finds?
In order of decreasing frequency, here are the Y-DNA Hgs in modern-day Egypt (J.
R. Luis et al.: The Levant versus the Horn of Africa: Evidence for Bidirectional
Corridors of Human Migrations):
36.7% - E1b1b32% - J8.8% - G8.2% - T4.1% - R1b2.8% - E1b1a2.7% - R1a0.7% - I0% -
N
The only Hgs that seem to have a linkage between Egypt and India/Pakistan are G
and R1a; I'm assuming most of the Js in Egypt are J1, so J2's not a candidate,
in my opinion. Seeing how R1a's frequency is so low over there, maybe G's the
one you're looking for? Petrina View Member Profile Nov 17 2008,
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QUOTE (DMXX @ Nov 17 2008, 05:41 AM) Hmm... To me, it looks like they've dyed
their beards with Henna. If their hair really was a ginger colour, we'd see it
from the roots going all the way to their tips.
Take a look at these pictures for comparison:
Henna beards
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/6211160-lg.jpghttp://www.historycommons.org/event\
s-image...81722-17119.jpghttp://lh3.ggpht.com/_7QZssxHN1x8/RbYWeyTl...+2006+(716\
).JPGhttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/85/272008502_7e65499346.jpg
Naturally ginger/red
beardshttp://www.redbeardstikitours.com/user/bin...e_thumbnail.jpghttp://photo.m\
onkey.net/images/20060424192916_redbeard.jpghttp://farm2.static.flickr.com/1272/\
980597...236499d.jpg?v=0http://resurrectionsanmarcos.org/youth/wp-...0/red-beard\
.jpg
The pictures speak for themselves, really. The application of henna in
Middle-Eastern and Central/South Asian cultures is pretty widespread, especially
in the rural areas of southern Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and regions of India.
However, that isn't to say that all people with hair that's apparently ginger
have applied henna; I'm currently residing in a Middle-Eastern country with a
very high population of labourers from the Indian subcontinent, and I do
interact with them on a daily basis. And, true ginger hair, without the presence
of henna, is actually there. However, it isn't the predominant hair colour
amongst those individuals; I usually see black hair making up most of their head
hair, with general scattering of ginger here and there.But, to be quite honest,
I've seen more Levant Arabs and Turks with true ginger hair than South Asians,
so from personal experience, I'm unsure over it's relevance.
Thanks DMXX for the list of similar haplogroups.My examples were not good. Red
hair is somewhat relevant, because it would be supportive of the old 5th century
text by Jordanes. The existence of red hair in Kashmir, Pakistan and India would
support that some the people that arrived in ships to Scandinavia were a diverse
group of peoples. Even with natural red hair.
IV (25) Now from this island of Scandza, as from a hive of races or a womb of
nations, the Goths are said to have come forth long ago under their king, Berig
by name. As soon as they disembarked from their ships and set foot on the land,
they straightway gave their name to the place. And even to-day it is said to be
called Gothiscandza. (26) Soon they moved from here to the abodes of the
Ulmerugi, who then dwelt on the shores of Ocean, where they pitched camp, joined
battle with them and drove them from their homes. Then they subdued their
neighbors, the Vandals, and thus added to their victories. But when the number
of the people increased greatly and Filimer, son of Gadaric, reigned as
king--about the fifth since Berig--he decided that the army of the Goths with
their families should move from that region. (27) In search of suitable homes
and pleasant places they came to the land of Scythia, called Oium in that
tongue. Here they were delighted with the great richness of the country, and it
is said that when half the army had been brought over, the bridge whereby they
had crossed the river fell in utter ruin, nor could anyone thereafter pass to or
fro. For the place is said to be surrounded by quaking bogs and an encircling
abyss, so that by this double obstacle nature has made it inaccessible. And even
to-day one may hear in that neighborhood the lowing of cattle and may find
traces of men, if we are to believe the stories of travellers, although we must
grant that they hear these things from afar.(28) This part of the Goths, which
is said to have crossed the river and entered with Filimer into the country of
Oium, came into possession of the desired land, and there they soon came upon
the race of the Spali, joined battle with them and won the victory. Thence the
victors hastened to the farthest part of Scythia, which is near the sea of
Pontus; for so the story is generally told in their early songs, in almost
historic fashion. Ablabius also, a famous chronicler of the Gothic race,
confirms this in his most trustworthy account. (29) Some of the ancient writers
also agree with the tale. Among these we may mention Josephus, a most reliable
relator of annals, who everywhere follows the rule of truth and unravels from
the beginning the origin of causes;--but why he has omitted the beginnings of
the race of the Goths, of which I have spoken, I do not know. He barely mentions
Magog of that stock, and says they were Scythians by race and were called so by
name. http://www.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/texts/jordgeti.html
From the text of Jordanes it seems that a people called Scythians were a mixed
group of people. I am not so sure if the semantics (meaning) of the concept
Scythians has been the same over the centuries. To me it seems like the
Scythian concept has become a description of an old culture of tall and blond
Siberians. Jordanes did not use the word Scythians in that sense.
According to a book and Internet sites some of the
greek-turkish-iranian-chinese-indian Khotans that likely are related to the
Gökturks had natural red hair. I cannot say much more than that right now. Will
post an URL to book & sites when I find them.
You are very concerned about looks, and then you likely have seen photos of
rather blond people in the Himalayan areas. Google: Kafir Kalash chitral
kafiristan Petrina View Member Profile Nov 17 2008, 08:48 AM Post
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QUOTE (Norr @ Nov 17 2008, 07:58 AM) I've wondered my DNA Tribes autosomal
matches in north of India:
Many people in Europe likely have such mathces in Asia. I do not know if
autosomal testing is accurate.
What are your haplogroups?
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To illusrate the previous comparison between the Svastika symbols in the book I
downloaded some photos from the book of Wilson that no longer is copyrighted.
You can see that Jain svastika matches the svastika's in the four squares on the
Buddha found in Myklebostad in Norway:
Jain
svastika(IMG:http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/aprerogative/Jainsvastikafr\
omwilson1857.jpg)
Buddha Myklebostad Norway by Arnybo 2008 Creative commons licence (Cropped
photo)
(IMG:http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/aprerogative/BuddhaMyklebostadNorwa\
ybyArnybo2008.jpg)
Use the center of the sun-circle in the middle as a frame of reference.
Buddha from Oseberg Viking ship
grave:(IMG:http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/aprerogative/BucklefromOseber\
gVikingshipBuddha3.jpg)
Svastika found on Chinese potters
mark:(IMG:http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/aprerogative/pottersmarkonporc\
elainchinafromWils.jpg) Aromagician View Member Profile Nov 17 2008,
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Re Armenian swastika. A quick google search brought up this site which has
pictures of Armenian museum pieces. See item 15 where it states
15. In the right display case on the back wall are temple worship artifacts
uncovered at Metsamor (Early to Late Bronze Age). Among these are several small
carved stones, including one with the design of a swastika on one side and
another with the head of a dog carved on the back side (th example at left is
carved with a human deity). The swastika carving is one of the oldest sacred
symbols in the world, and cave drawings in the Geghama Mountains dating back to
the Neolithic times (7000 BC) include them. It is unfortunate the Nazis
corrupted their meaning in our times, as the swastika is a strong link between
the Indo-Europeans and the indigenous cultures of ancient times. In Armenia
examples of swastikas include swirling arms to both the right and left. Not a
crooked cross, as some people call them, they are actually one of the first
drawings of movement, showing a swirling power burning in the heavens. The
swastika was the primary symbol assigned to the gods for several thousand years.
It also so says this about the Armenians", but since Ancestral Armenia was a
bridge between Asia and Europe we do know what other cultures at the time called
the people living in this area. The Persians called them the Ermani, the
Babylonians Arata, the Assyrians Nairi . Later the Indo-European name
Ararat and Armeni become predominant names, though Hai was used by the
Hittites. Our guide suggested that though Hai and Armen were both names for
the same people, the word Hai is in fact an older name, as etymologists
believe it originated in the Ararat and Geghama mountains and migrated with
Ancestral Armenians into Anatolia and Asia Minor.
As for the Egyptians seafaring vessels. Apparently they would dismantle them and
carry them across to the ports, then put them together again. There is evidence
of them found in many places where Gold was mined.Here is one link on the
Egyptians ships,
This one here is National geographics story on the latest discovery, showing the
evidence of their seafaring from 4000BC Nat Geo- Egyptian oldest sea vessels
Interestingly some of the Egyptian Royal Family had red hair, Queen Tiye for
one.Regards DMXX View Member Profile Nov 17 2008, 10:08 AM Post #133
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QUOTE (Petrina @ Nov 17 2008, 09:44 AM) According to a book and Internet sites
some of the greek-turkish-iranian-chinese-indian Khotans that likely are related
to the Gökturks had natural red hair. I cannot say much more than that right
now. Will post an URL to book & sites when I find them.
You are very concerned about looks, and then you likely have seen photos of
rather blond people in the Himalayan areas. Google: Kafir Kalash chitral
kafiristan
Yeah, I've read similar things about the Gokturks; apparently they were
predominantly red-haired, up until the Mongols absorbed them into their empire,
or some interaction of that nature. I need to look that up again for future
reference.
And, I have read about the people in "Kafiristan", a region which literally
means "Land of the infidels" ("Kafir-" = "Infidel" in Arabic and "-stan" = "land
of" in Persian), as they weren't muslims more than 200 years ago, until they
were converted. The region is now known as "Nurestan", and the people there
speak Nuristani, an Indo-Aryan language, and they can be found in eastern
Afghanistan and north Pakistan.Much like other Indo-Iranian derived peoples,
Persians included, they still retain their old customs, regardless of their
conversion to Islam. However, the Kalash and Nuristanis are very isolated
groups, and many of their traditions appear to date back to the days of
pre-Zoroastrian Central-Western Asia. Because of that, they weren't influenced
by the cultural evolutions within larger Indo-Iranian groups, such as Pashtuns
and Persians. They're essentially remnants of an archaic culture that once
existed; a similar situation to the variant of Persian spoken in Tajikistan,
where many loanwards from now-extinct Iranic tribes are present.Therefore,
they're a valuable insight into the way of life amongst Indo-Iranians from
ancient times. However, that doesn't make their culture any more or less
"Iranian" than the non-Islamic customs amongst Iranians, Azeris, Baluchis and
Pashtuns today; just one that's presumably remained very much the same over
centuries.
There are still pockets of Nuristanis who aren't muslims, but their numbers are
dwindling. The Kalash haven't been as thoroughly islamized, but, they're having
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QUOTE (Petrina @ Nov 17 2008, 02:47 AM) The oldest king mentioned in relation
to the Egyptian labyrinth at Amenemhat III (about 1860 -1814 BCE) found by a
researchers 11,5 miles from pyramid Hawara in Faioum, Egypt. It seems like that
was a complex building.
However the Indian might be older than all of them, there are controversies if
the oldest labyrinth petroglyph found in Goa is from 2500 BCE. From what I can
remember the labyrinth symbols are also found in findings from the Harappan
civilization. I will post a link later.
The swastika sign was found on seals in the Indus Valley civilization, Ravi
River Phase that is dated from 3500 BCE (controversial) or for certain from 3300
BCE. http://www.crystalinks.com/induscivilization.htmlhttp://www.harappa.com/har/har0.html
About genes, what haplogroups connects the people of India / Pakistan and Egypt
today or via ancient DNA finds?
For Mohejodaro the lowest levels (ie the oldest ones) are still to escavated due
to the water table, it is presumed to be related to Kot-diji. "The earliest
occupation levels of the site currently lie buried below the water table and
date to around 3500 BCE, during the Kot Diji phase of the Regionalization era
(Chaolong 1990)." http://www.mohenjodaro.net/ancientcrafts.html
QUOTE (Aromagician @ Nov 16 2008, 11:16 PM) I looked with interest the
discussion that the svastika and the Labyrinth were Indian in origin. when in
fact there is early writings that talk of the labyrinth in Egypt. see
[email="http://www.amazeingart.com/seven-wonders/egyptian-labyrinth.html"]here[/\
email] Of course it is well known in the Greek myths.
The svastika also shows it head early on in Armenia/ early Mesopotamiasee this
site
here[email="http://www.angelfire.com/hi/Azgaser/swastika.html"]http://www.angelf\
ire.com/hi/Azgaser/swastika.html[/email]Didnt one of the posts say one of the
shared haplogroups was with Armenia?
Joseph Campbells book oriental Mythology highlights a lot of the similarities
between the Egyptian and Indian cultures and religions.
The large ships found in Egypt with crusted barnacles, showed that they had been
at sea for at least 2-3 months. So could be another source of the spreading of
cultural symbols.
The travel between ancient people has left many remnants behind. That is what
makes it so interesting with Dna, to try and sort out who went where, or more
accurately settled where.
Another of the mythological symbols that may have come out of Indus region is
the Unicorn. It is still exists in India as the deity Eka-shringa-one horned.
The site of Sringeri- where an Acharya/pontiff lives is connected to Eka-shringa
Shiva, who like the Indus Unicorn has one horn on the forehead (Rhino?). This
animal was know to the Greeks too. On Swastika, in Indus, the Chatur-anga was
probably a precursor. This was a dice board game (& a battle formation).
Shatranj/Chess may be a derivative. Cf. Lion/Unicorn playing chess and the UK &
Canadian Coat of Arms:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UK_Royal_Coat_of_Arms.svg,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Coat_of...s_of_Canada.svg
Ctesias' Indica: "There are in India certain wild asses which are as large as
horses, and larger. Their bodies are white, their heads are dark red, and their
eyes dark blue. They have a horn on the forehead which is about eighteen inches
in length. The dust filed from this horn is administered in a potion as a
protection against deadly drugs." Again by India - Sindh is meant since he says:
"the population of India is almost greater than that of the whole world. Beyond
India there are no countries inhabited by men. It never rains there, the country
being watered by the river ... Ctesias relates these fables as perfect truth,
adding that he himself had seen with his own eyes some of the things he
describes, and had been informed of the rest by eye-witnesses."
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QUOTE (DMXX @ Nov 17 2008, 11:08 AM) Yeah, I've read similar things about the
Gokturks; apparently they were predominantly red-haired, up until the Mongols
absorbed them into their empire, or some interaction of that nature. I need to
look that up again for future reference.
And, I have read about the people in "Kafiristan", a region which literally
means "Land of the infidels" ("Kafir-" = "Infidel" in Arabic and "-stan" = "land
of" in Persian), as they weren't muslims more than 200 years ago, until they
were converted. The region is now known as "Nurestan", and the people there
speak Nuristani, an Indo-Aryan language, and they can be found in eastern
Afghanistan and north Pakistan.Much like other Indo-Iranian derived peoples,
Persians included, they still retain their old customs, regardless of their
conversion to Islam. However, the Kalash and Nuristanis are very isolated
groups, and many of their traditions appear to date back to the days of
pre-Zoroastrian Central-Western Asia. Because of that, they weren't influenced
by the cultural evolutions within larger Indo-Iranian groups, such as Pashtuns
and Persians. They're essentially remnants of an archaic culture that once
existed; a similar situation to the variant of Persian spoken in Tajikistan,
where many loanwards from now-extinct Iranic tribes are present.Therefore,
they're a valuable insight into the way of life amongst Indo-Iranians from
ancient times. However, that doesn't make their culture any more or less
"Iranian" than the non-Islamic customs amongst Iranians, Azeris, Baluchis and
Pashtuns today; just one that's presumably remained very much the same over
centuries.
There are still pockets of Nuristanis who aren't muslims, but their numbers are
dwindling. The Kalash haven't been as thoroughly islamized, but, they're having
similar issues.
To me it seems like the Gökturks were a very diverse people all the time, they
lived in areas that were melting pots of people and the culture likely developed
as a synthesis of these differences.
The Kalash people in Hindu Kush seem to have quite similar cultural traditions
as the Ladakh of India and Tibet. The Kalash were likely isolated as a
protection from Islam. It took a long time to convert people in these upper
areas. Is Buddhism is still present among the Kalash today?
I saw a photo from Kalash where they in the 1960ies still had religious symbols
resembling the ones seen on pictures stones in Gotland, Sweden.
http://www.arild-hauge.com/arild-hauge/go-rune-sanda.jpg
See picture 4: This richly carved post is possibly of a more recent date.
Geometric designs are typical for the Kalasha. Figurative depictions of deities
are almost unknown - only a figure of the fertility goddess Nirmali, was
discovered in the Prasun area of Nuristan in 1960s. end of
quotehttp://www.nb.no/baser/morgenstierne/nirma...acrifice98.html
And the photos taken by Morgenstierne also show that these people, like the
people in Himachal Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Tibet and Kashmir still practice
ancient woodcarving traditions, which all have similarities to the ones of the
Viking culture.
http://www.nb.no/baser/morgenstierne/nirma...100/GM2c83d.jpg Petrina
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QUOTE (Aromagician @ Nov 17 2008, 10:50 AM) Re Armenian swastika. A quick
google search brought up this site which has pictures of Armenian museum pieces.
See item 15 where it states
15. In the right display case on the back wall are temple worship artifacts
uncovered at Metsamor (Early to Late Bronze Age). Among these are several small
carved stones, including one with the design of a swastika on one side and
another with the head of a dog carved on the back side (th example at left is
carved with a human deity). The swastika carving is one of the oldest sacred
symbols in the world, and cave drawings in the Geghama Mountains dating back to
the Neolithic times (7000 BC) include them. It is unfortunate the Nazis
corrupted their meaning in our times, as the swastika is a strong link between
the Indo-Europeans and the indigenous cultures of ancient times. In Armenia
examples of swastikas include swirling arms to both the right and left. Not a
crooked cross, as some people call them, they are actually one of the first
drawings of movement, showing a swirling power burning in the heavens. The
swastika was the primary symbol assigned to the gods for several thousand years.
It also so says this about the Armenians", but since Ancestral Armenia was a
bridge between Asia and Europe we do know what other cultures at the time called
the people living in this area. The Persians called them the Ermani, the
Babylonians Arata, the Assyrians Nairi . Later the Indo-European name
Ararat and Armeni become predominant names, though Hai was used by the
Hittites. Our guide suggested that though Hai and Armen were both names for
the same people, the word Hai is in fact an older name, as etymologists
believe it originated in the Ararat and Geghama mountains and migrated with
Ancestral Armenians into Anatolia and Asia Minor.
As for the Egyptians seafaring vessels. Apparently they would dismantle them and
carry them across to the ports, then put them together again. There is evidence
of them found in many places where Gold was mined.Here is one link on the
Egyptians ships,
This one here is National geographics story on the latest discovery, showing the
evidence of their seafaring from 4000BC Nat Geo- Egyptian oldest sea vessels
Interestingly some of the Egyptian Royal Family had red hair, Queen Tiye for
one.Regards
Thank you for these addresses. Wow, sure enough this museum page tells that the
swastika found there was from 7000 BCE in the Geghama Mountains, Armenia. I
totally agree with them that it is unfortunate that the Nazis corrupted the
meaning of this symbol. The swastika was symbolism of swirling power and Wilson
mentions this interpretation in the old book.
It seems like there was a people called Ermani, Arata, Nairi, or later Hai,
Ararat and Armeni. Knowing what a melting pot the Middle East and Caucasus have
been and still is, one have to ask whether these people are the same as the ones
that lives in these areas today. Have there been comparisons of ancient and
present genetics in Armenia?
Were they Buddhist too? Or did they use Buddhist similar ornamentation in
Aremenia?
The article from National Geographic tells that these ships were dated to be
4000 years old, not from 4000 BC.
The first Tidal dock was built 2300 BC in Lothal, Gujarat in India, that is c.
4300 years ago (during the Harappan period).
http://indiannavy.nic.in/history.htm
An artist have reconstructed the dock from the ruins in the following
image:http://www.harappa.com/lothal/gif/1.jpghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_maritime_history Archaeological photos can
be seen here: http://www.harappa.com/lothal/
There have clearly been trade connections between India and for instance Egypt,
so the ships found might have come from there:
Lothal was a major trade centre, importing en masse raw materials like copper,
chert and semi-precious stones from Mohenjo-daro and Harappa .An intensive
trade network gave the inhabitants great prosperityit stretched across the
frontiers to Egypt, Bahrain and Sumer.[9]One of the evidence of trade in Lothal
is the discovery of typical Persian gulf seals, a circular button sealThe rise
of civilization in India and Pakistan by Bridget and F. Raymond Allchin. p.187
end of quote from Wikpedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothal
Why these findings are interesting for the topic in this tread:
1) It shows that people from very early on sailed long distances on the oceans.
Therefore it is not impossible that Buddhist missioners came from India to
Europe.
2) The finding of 4000 year old ships in Egypt additionally show that these
ancient people were able to transport the ships over land areas. "It looks as
though they created ships in kit form, carried them over the desert, sailed to
Punt, got what they required, and abandoned the ships," Snape said.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...gypt_ships.html
This supports that a route from India, via the Red sea and over land to the
Mediterranean Sea, then passing Gibraltar and up to Northern Europe were
possible before Common Era. I mentioned earlier that old texts of St. Origen
told that Asoka had sent missions to England. Norr View Member Profile
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QUOTE (Petrina @ Nov 17 2008, 09:48 AM) Many people in Europe likely have such
mathces in Asia. I do not know if autosomal testing is accurate.
What are your haplogroups?
Y-hg is I1 and mtDNA-hg is H. Norr View Member Profile Nov 17 2008,
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QUOTE (Petrina @ Nov 17 2008, 10:47 AM) To illusrate the previous comparison
between the Svastika symbols in the book I downloaded some photos from the book
of Wilson that no longer is copyrighted. You can see that Jain svastika matches
the svastika's in the four squares on the Buddha found in Myklebostad in Norway:
Jain
svastika(IMG:http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/aprerogative/Jainsvastikafr\
omwilson1857.jpg)
Buddha Myklebostad Norway by Arnybo 2008 Creative commons licence (Cropped
photo)
(IMG:http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/aprerogative/BuddhaMyklebostadNorwa\
ybyArnybo2008.jpg)
Use the center of the sun-circle in the middle as a frame of reference.
Buddha from Oseberg Viking ship
grave:(IMG:http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/aprerogative/BucklefromOseber\
gVikingshipBuddha3.jpg)
Svastika found on Chinese potters
mark:(IMG:http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/aprerogative/pottersmarkonporc\
elainchinafromWils.jpg)
I think one form of swastika is the ancient "Tursaansydän" in Finland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tursaansyd%C3%A4n
(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Mursunsydämet.jpg)
The one on the left looks like it's formed of four Tyr-runes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyr_rune parasar View Member Profile Nov
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QUOTE (Aromagician @ Nov 17 2008, 04:50 AM) Re Armenian swastika. A quick
google search brought up this site which has pictures of Armenian museum pieces.
See item 15 where it states
15. In the right display case on the back wall are temple worship artifacts
uncovered at Metsamor (Early to Late Bronze Age). Among these are several small
carved stones, including one with the design of a swastika on one side and
another with the head of a dog carved on the back side (th example at left is
carved with a human deity). The swastika carving is one of the oldest sacred
symbols in the world, and cave drawings in the Geghama Mountains dating back to
the Neolithic times (7000 BC) include them. It is unfortunate the Nazis
corrupted their meaning in our times, as the swastika is a strong link between
the Indo-Europeans and the indigenous cultures of ancient times. In Armenia
examples of swastikas include swirling arms to both the right and left. Not a
crooked cross, as some people call them, they are actually one of the first
drawings of movement, showing a swirling power burning in the heavens. The
swastika was the primary symbol assigned to the gods for several thousand years.
It also so says this about the Armenians", but since Ancestral Armenia was a
bridge between Asia and Europe we do know what other cultures at the time called
the people living in this area. The Persians called them the Ermani, the
Babylonians Arata, the Assyrians Nairi . Later the Indo-European name
Ararat and Armeni become predominant names, though Hai was used by the
Hittites. Our guide suggested that though Hai and Armen were both names for
the same people, the word Hai is in fact an older name, as etymologists
believe it originated in the Ararat and Geghama mountains and migrated with
Ancestral Armenians into Anatolia and Asia Minor.
As for the Egyptians seafaring vessels. Apparently they would dismantle them and
carry them across to the ports, then put them together again. There is evidence
of them found in many places where Gold was mined.Here is one link on the
Egyptians ships,
This one here is National geographics story on the latest discovery, showing the
evidence of their seafaring from 4000BC Nat Geo- Egyptian oldest sea vessels
Interestingly some of the Egyptian Royal Family had red hair, Queen Tiye for
one.Regards
I had thought that the Babylonian Arata was the modern upper Punjab (Meluha
(Indus Delta), and Maka (Makran), Dilmun? are also mentioned). Or maybe there
were two different Aratas.
Mahabharata: "the Satadru, the Vipasa, the Iravati, the Candrabhaga, and the
Vitasa and which have the Sindhu for their sixth, there in those regions removed
from the Himavat, are the countries called by the name of the Aratta ... where
the five rivers flow just after issuing from the mountains"
Periplus: "The country inland from Barygaza is inhabited by numerous tribes,
such as the Arattii, the Arachosii, the Gandaraei and the people of Poclais, in
which is Bucephalus Alexandria. Above these is the very warlike nation of the
Bactrians, who are under their own king. And Alexander, setting out from these
parts, penetrated to the Ganges, leaving aside Damirica and the southern part of
India; and to the present day ancient drachmae are current in Barygaza, coming
from this country, bearing inscriptions in Greek letters, and the devices of
those who reigned after Alexander, Apollodorus and Menander."
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/periplus.html
Nevertheless, after reading the Sumerian text, it is still difficult to place
the Sumerian Aratta: "He traversed five mountains, six mountains, seven
mountains. He lifted his eyes as he approached Aratta. He stepped joyfully into
the courtyard of Aratta, he made known the authority of his king. Openly he
spoke out the words in his heart." "let Aratta fashion gold and silver skilfully
on my behalf for Unug. Let them cut the flawless lapis lazuli from the blocks"
On the similarity of the Swastika form to the Chatur-anga, please see:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/digital/co...;top=&left= Aromagician
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The other link called "Egyptian ships", shows that the boat found in Khufus
tomb at Giza, was a sound one, and was 4000 years old. Which proves they had the
means for sea travel back then.
The swastika in Armenia and in Greece, and in Phoenician pottery seems to relate
to the sun God. Is a solar symbol.
The Chinese are also credited with a lot of early travel. Not long ago Ancient
Chinese petroglyphs were found in a cave in NZ. As to buddhist travel. At the
Motuti marae in Northland NZ, they have a legend about some of their ancestors
arrving from Tibet.Also the Maori also have a history where they say the ancient
peoples traveled from URU ( thought by some to be UR or Mesopotamia) then onto
Irihia ( Which is thought to be similar to the ancient word for India-
Vrihia)The prevalence of the swastika in the Native Americans iconry, also leads
us to look closely at the idea of a very early exchange of ideas and peoples
throughout the world.
Regards
QUOTE (Petrina @ Nov 17 2008, 06:23 PM) Were they Buddhist too? Or did they use
Buddhist similar ornamentation in Aremenia?
The article from National Geographic tells that these ships were dated to be
4000 years old, not from 4000 BC.
The first Tidal dock was built 2300 BC in Lothal, Gujarat in India, that is c.
4300 years ago (during the Harappan period).
http://indiannavy.nic.in/history.htm
An artist have reconstructed the dock from the ruins in the following
image:http://www.harappa.com/lothal/gif/1.jpghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_maritime_history Archaeological photos can
be seen here: http://www.harappa.com/lothal/
2) The finding of 4000 year old ships in Egypt additionally show that these
ancient people were able to transport the ships over land areas. "It looks as
though they created ships in kit form, carried them over the desert, sailed to
Punt, got what they required, and abandoned the ships," Snape said.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...gypt_ships.html
This supports that a route from India, via the Red sea and over land to the
Mediterranean Sea, then passing Gibraltar and up to Northern Europe were
possible before Common Era. I mentioned earlier that old texts of St. Origen
told that Asoka had sent missions to England.
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Genetic proofs -Ancient civilisation of KUTCh and its relation to all ancient
civilisation all over the worldþDear EDITORIALS, MEDCOs, Friends of the Science,
History, ARCHEO - Anthropology and GEO-Archeology, When ever evolution of life
and human evolution comes in disscussion dispute always comes forward. and when
it comes to explanations in Purans is goes only to beliefs and mythology. But is
that all? NO Genetic science comes in favour to solve all those questions.
CIVILISATION started in river basin areas of saraswati and INDUS and spread to
middle east , Europe and than across the atlantic to Mexico and southern america
- Peru and Andis, BUt how they cross the ATLANTIC. about 10000 years ago english
chennel was frozen to ice so gypsis (original Indian origin as they believe
themselves of INDIAN origin - SEE GENETIC DNA reports bootom of this email)
crossed to british land, worshiped at STONEHENGE, worshiping SUN (suryavanshi),
to cross an ATLANTIC ocean they go further north to SCANDINAVIA (so finis -
scandinavian has similar GENETIC DNA similarity with Indian origin and differes
from rest of Scandinavian tribes and rest of europeans too) to cross to CANADIAN
part and then south to MEXICO and to PERU and ANDIS regions. (Mexican Maya
civilisations authentic book we have gives information as people of Indian -
asian origin came from across Europe to Maxico caves and stayed there in caves
some 20000 yeras back - similar evidense found MARUDA TAKKAR an oldest port of
the world in the middle of present SALT RANN and lake of INDUS SARASWATI at the
time 20000 years ago) SIMILARLY origin of life started on earth some 2Bn years
ago. as science says also proves by Vedis scienec and vedic maths calculations.
vedic calculative file is aatched to email as an attachemnt of MAHAYUGA.XLS
According to vedas AT AD 1999 FROM KALP START(ARAMBHA)TIME 1.99E+09 = 1990013100
match to scienec evedence of 2Bn years more accurately. STROMATOLITES study of
origin of life on Earth is studies in STROBOLITES of AUSTRALLIAN study of PERTH
but not KUTCH STROMBOLITES in STROMATOLITES of BAY of KUTCH. at that time bothe
parts were united together with african continent. (AFRICA - AUSTRALLIA And
INDIAN continental plate and KUTCH) we have records and Pictuere of KUTCH
fossils and stromatolites in our pictuer library records. OUR SUN'S LIFE = 1
KALP DAY (4320000000 YEARS) + 1 KALP NIGHT (4320000000 YEARS) = 8640000000 yeas
match to scienec evedence of 9Bn years more accurately Origin of river is the
oldest source of river water. if water in the river Origin dries rest of the
river also dries along the path. e.g. JAMNOTRI / GANGOTRI etc. Even if the
river dries at the distant end the underground water flows if the origin of the
river has the water source.
e.g. Gaggar Hakara of Saraswati river basin. If distant end of river water
becomes scarce or dries up the river bed at distant end of the river, the
civilisation dependent on water of the river will have to move upstream of the
river for the source of water.
Civilisations Move upstream to wards the origin of river for water as time
passed and as water become scarcely at distant end of the river. Civilisation on
the river banks of the river SARASWATI and civilisations in the Kutch moved
upstream to the riverbed where water source was available. Similarly to the
river basin of the Indus as river Indus and river Saraswati has common mouth in
the present RANN of the KUTCH when it was in the form of the lake.
Also people of the civilisation moved to the other region linked with water and
the sea. To the Middle east and Mesopotamia, (See Dholavira film) map available
on request also Indus Decoding is available for reference in reference library.
Recently No one Visited MARUDA TAKKAR since the area is under the border safety
control, but 15000 years older than that of Dholavira and pyramids!! Ancient
port - map available is the world's oldest port in the RANN of the Kutch in
India. Which suggest that, MARUDA TAKKAR was the oldest origin of the
civilisation in the world.
Awaiting for the research from the ASI research team work. They used typical
boat to move all over the world by River water channels and Sea, as Dholavira,
Indus, haraapan and Egyptian used. So we see similar Boat symbol, which is
common in those civilisations.
Civilisations Navigated by Ancient BOATS and astronomical Compass. So Boat
symbol remained common for those civilisations, e.g. Kutch Saraswati
civilisation, Egypt and Indus as well.
Though western and Egyptian archaeological researchers hide many information
regarding those facts or do not agree. Or manipulates the in formations. Include
Egypt as well as the Egypt itself is suggestive, Egypt's Original NAME was
MUDRAYA.
MUDRAYA name itself suggestive what it means. If any doubts can be cleared with
the Linguistic study. name from an ancient Avestha/ Old Persian derived from
SANSKRIT. Decoding of Egyptian and OLD PERSIAN AVESTAN languages are available
for reference from the reference library. Including ATHARVAN ZARATHUSHTRA (also
OLD Persian used atharveda -ATHARVAN ZARATHUSHTRA)
ALSO Egyptians worshiped Sun GOD (SURYA), Cows as mother of Gods (KAMDHENU),
Snake (NAAG DEVA), Eagle - (GARUDA), Kings Ramses and king dynasty of RAMESIS,
Queen of the EGYPTIAN KING RAMESIS first was SITARE ,
Queen Matare (MATA) from maternal queen dynasty. Queen HATSHEPSUT = HAsT kSHEP
SUT - has missing phonatic half letter which is not understood by non phonatic
languages like arabic/ egyptian/latins
And also Symbolic language used in MUDRAYA - EGYPT is not equvelent to PHONATIC
language. Queen HATSHEPSUT / HAsT kSHEP SUT it self suggestive that she was
aginst King dynasty and she used the beard and become the Queen of the Egypt.
IT interptuted (HAsT kSHEP =HATSHEP) the ruling by King dynasty. and she was
not the SUT (SON). Now the name of the queen itself becomes suggestive that
Queen HATSHEPSUT = HAsT kSHEP SUT.
Ancient Languages SANSKRIT, Old PERSIAN language AVESTHA is similar to SANSKRIT
and believed derived from Sanskrit. Decoding is available for the reference form
the reference library for the ancient Avestha /Old Persian language which was
derived from SANSKRIT.
Decoding of Egyptian and OLD PERSIAN AVESTAN languages are available for
reference from the reference library. Including ATHARVAN ZARATHUSHTRA (also OLD
Persian used Atharva veda -ATHARVAN ZARATHUSHTRA)
European Hippies /GIPO believe them selves as original Indian of origin, and
also worship STONEHENGE as their worship place as they originated from India and
bought Astronomical aspect
For the Investigation purpose a trench is underway since 1st April2008 for
2weeks investigations. And if truth is not covered up as usual then findings of
ancient potteries and the writing and design will prove the fact.
ESKIMOES - believed to be originated from indian of the AMERICAN origin but now
that truth has come out to be original ASIANS - not americans - proven with
MATERNAL Mitochondrial genetic study.
Mitochondrial genetic DNA are the original source of Mother and transmitted from
generations to generations from mothers . and Without mother generations do not
go on. we can get paternal genes , DNA from any sourse but Mother is always
required. that can not be changed.
Nothing will grow in space - One need the Mother first even in the space if wish
to grow. even to germinate seed one has to take earthern material and water to
the space to germinate any thing in the space.
Prehistoric Hair Suggests 1st Eskimos Came From Asia
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/05/080529-eskimo-hair.htmlfor
National Geographic News May 29, 2008
A clump of frozen human hair from northwest Greenland suggests that the first
Eskimos in the New World did not descend from Native Americans as previously
thought but came directly from Asia, a new study says. Furthermore, these
pioneer settlers of the far north later died out and did not give rise to the
Inuit living in Greenland today.
The research is based on DNA analysis of ancient hair from a so-called
Paleo-Eskimo, which was found preserved in permafrost soil in the Disco Bay area
in the 1980s.
The hair, which belonged to a male who lived some 4,000 years ago, has provided
the first ever complete mitochondrial genome for an ancient human, according to
a team led by Tom Gilbert of the Center for Ancient Genetics at the University
of Copenhagen, Denmark.
Mitochondrial DNA is passed down from mother to child and thus gives a genetic
marker to an individual's maternal ancestry.
In the ancient Greenland Eskimo's case, his hair revealed that his people came
from Siberia, the study found.
The Paleo-Eskimo's genetic relatives survive today only in small pockets in
north-eastern Siberia and the Aleutian Islands, which stretch across the Bering
Sea from Alaska to Russia, Gilbert said. (See a map of the islands.)
Challenging Theories
Previously, there were two main theories to explain the ancestry of the first
Eskimos in Alaska, Canada, and Greenland, Gilbert said.
The theories held that they either descended from Native Americans who colonized
North America at least 14,350 years ago, or they came from the same source area
in Siberia that gave rise to modern Eskimos, such as those who have lived in
Greenland for the past 1,000 years.
'Then there is a third idea that they were independent to bothand that's what
it turns out to be,' Gilbert said.
The new research, which appears tomorrow in the journal Science, suggests that
the original Paleo-Eskimos of the New World were replaced by later colonizers,
who spread eastward from Siberia.
Civilisation moved from Kutch MARUDA port to Middle East, to Mesopotamia and
Egypt and to Europe, and from Europe to American continent, Across Atlantic
MEXICO, Peru brazil Amazon etc.
People move from one area to other area but they carry on their farming and
weaving techniques and so Egyptians do similar farming and cattle farming as
well. Common thing for the civilisation in farming and weaving techniques
carried with them where ever they go.
RED Indians / Egyptians all used similar techniques for farming and weaving as
indo Sarasvati civilisation used.
Red Indians are original Indians and they carry on their farming techniques they
brought with them since then. Including traditional flowers of MERRY GOLD flower
used for every holy purpose And to the ancestors.
MAYA and Mayan books of Mexico suggest that Indian crossed the Atlantic from
Europe and lived in Mexican caves before 20000 years ago. Decoding is available
- books original information are available for reference form the reference
library. Including MAYAN CODOSIS and decoding Mayan language.Romani people
(Gypsies or Gipsies) The Romani people[46][47], Roma people[48][49][50] or
Romany people are an ethnic group with origins in South Asia.[51][52] The Romani
people are a widely dispersed ethnic group, with the largest concentrated
populations in Europe and the Americas.[53][54] They are often referred to as
Gypsies or Gipsies. OriginsThe absence of a written history has meant that the
origin and early history of the Roma people was long an enigma. As early as 200
years ago, cultural scholars hypothesised an Indian origin of the Roma based on
linguistic evidence[83]. Genetic information confirms this.Although the Nazis
claimed that the Gypsies were not Aryan,[citation needed] some members of the
Gypsy Lore Society (established in 1888 in England) claimed that the Gypsies
were the most ancient Aryans and "sought to protect them from mixing with
non-Gypsy elements and from modernization...".[84]
Linguistic evidenceUntil the mid to late eighteenth century, theories of the
origin of the Roma were mostly speculative. Then in 1782, Johann Christian
Christoph Rüdiger published his research that pointed out the relationship
between the Romani language and Hindustani.[85] Subsequent work supported the
hypothesis that Romani shared a common origin with the Indo-Aryan languages of
Northern India,[86] with Romani grouping most closely with Sinhalese in a recent
study.[87]The majority of historians accepted this as evidence of an Indian
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Genetic evidence Haplogroup H (Y-DNA)
In human genetics, Haplogroup H (M69) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup.
This haplogroup is found at a high frequency in India and Sri Lanka. It is
generally rare outside of the Indian subcontinent but is common among the Roma
people, particularly the H-M82 subgroup. DistributionVery low frequencies of the
Haplogroup H are found among populations of Pakistan compared to the frequency
of this haplogroup among Indian populations. A recent study of Y-chromosome
variation among populations of Pakistan found Haplogroup H1-M52 Y-chromosomes in
only 2.5% of a sample of the general Pakistani population (16 out of 638
individuals), and this haplogroup was also found at similar frequencies among
ethnic Pashtuns (4/96 or 4.2%) and Burusho (4/97 or 4.1%). Surprisingly,
Haplogroup H1-M52 was found at a much higher frequency among this study's sample
of Kalash (9/44 or 20.5%) (Firasat et al. 2007).Haplogroup H has been found very
rarely outside of the Roma and populations of the Indian subcontinent, including
approximately 6% (1 out of 17 individuals) of a sample of Kurds from
Turkmenistan, 4% (2/53) of Iranians from Samarkand, 2% (1/56) of Uzbeks from
Bukhara, 3% (2/70) of Uzbeks from Khorezm, 2% (1/63) of Uzbeks from the Fergana
Valley, 4% (2/45) of Uzbeks from Samarkand, 12.5% (2/16) of Tajiks from
Dushanbe, 2% (1/41) of Uyghurs from Kazakhstan (Wells et al. 2001), 2% (1/50) of
Ukrainians, and 5% (1/20) of Syrians.[1] The subclade H1a-M82 has also been
found in 2.56% (3/117) of a sample of the population of southern Iran (Regueiro
et al. 2006). Some instances of haplogroup H have also been found among
populations of the east coast of the Arabian Peninsula, including 2.4% (4/164)
haplogroup H*(xH1-M52) and 1.8% (3/164) haplogroup H1a-M82 in Oman and 1.4%
(1/72) H1a-M82 in Qatar (Cadenas et al. 2007). Haplogroup M (mtDNA) In human
genetics, Haplogroup M is a human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup.(ONLY
DERIVED FROM MATERNAL GENES maternal mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup)
An enormous haplogroup spanning many continents, the macro-haplogroup M is a
branch of the haplogroup L3. It is the single most common mtDNA haplogroup in
Asia,[2] and is ubiquitous in India[3] where it represents about 60% of maternal
lineages.[4]M is believed to have originated in Asia[1] some 60,000 to 75,000
years before present:
The deep roots of M phylogeny clearly establish the antiquity of Indian
lineages, especially M2, as compared to Ethiopian M1 lineage and hence, support
an Asian origin of M macrohaplogroup.[4]
Among the descendants of M are C, D, E, G, Q, and Z, with Z and G being observed
in North Eurasian populations, C and D being shared between North Eurasian and
Native American populations, E being observed in Southeast Asian populations,
and Q being observed in Melanesian populations. The lineages M2, M3, M4, M5, M6,
M18 and M25 are exclusive to India, with M2 reported to be the oldest lineage on
the Indian sub-continent.[5] M7 and M8 are widespread Eastern Eurasian
lineages.Due to its great age, haplogroup M is an mtDNA lineage which does not
correspond well to present-day ethnic groups, as it spans Siberian, Native
American, East Asian, Southeast Asian, Central Asian, South Asian, Melanesian as
well as Egyptian, Ethiopian, Somali, European, and various Middle Eastern
populations in lesser frequency.Further evidence for the Indian origin of the
Roma came in the late 1990s when it was discovered that Roma populations carried
large frequencies of particular Y chromosomes (inherited paternally) and
mitochondrial DNA (inherited maternally) that otherwise exist only in
populations from South Asia.47.3% of Roma men carry Y chromosomes of haplogroup
H-M82 which is rare outside of the Indian subcontinent.[89] Mitochondrial
haplogroup M, most common in Indian subjects and rare outside Southern Asia,
accounts for nearly 30% of Roma people.[89] A more detailed study of Polish Roma
shows this to be of the M5 lineage, which is specific to India[90] Moreover, a
form of the inherited disorder congenital myasthenia is found in Romani
subjects. This form of the disorder, caused by the 1267delG mutation, is
otherwise only known in subjects of Indian ancestry. This is considered to be
the best evidence of the Indian ancestry of the Romanies.[91]The Roma have been
described as "a conglomerate of genetically isolated founder populations",[92]
while a number of common Mendelian disorders among Romanies from all over Europe
indicates "a common origin and founder effect".[92] See also this table: [93]A
study from 2001 by Gresham et al. suggests "a limited number of related
founders, compatible with a small group of migrants splitting from a distinct
caste or tribal group".[94] Also the study pointed out that "genetic drift and
different levels and sources of admixture, appear to have played a role in the
subsequent differentiation of populations".[94] The same study found that "a
single lineage ... found across Romani populations, accounts for almost
one-third of Romani males. A similar preservation of a highly resolved male
lineage has been reported elsewhere only for Jewish priests".[94] See also the
Cohen Modal Haplotype.A 2004 study by Morar et al. concluded that the Roma are
"a founder population of common origins that has subsequently split into
multiple socially divergent and geographically dispersed Gypsy groups".[91] The
same study revealed that this population "was founded approximately 3240
generations ago, with secondary and tertiary founder events occurring
approximately 1625 generations ago".[91]
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Health folklore: Do you believe in the power of a full moon?
From: kutchscience@...
Dear Friends of Mythology, Logics, Science and Astronomy,
COMMENTS :- Though it has been beleived in indian people that moon drive of
mind and heart as many astrologers says. But How ? science could not confirm but
if science can not find the solution does not mean that its not the fact. More
about the Gravitational influence on blood pressure , flow to brain and how the
bleding is affected with the Moons negative Gravitations. and how the body
secretary functions are affceted with moon garvitational drive. The rays emmited
by moon rocks and Mocrodust with bombarding of SUN protons and highly powered e
rays in moon's VACCUMED astosphere need to be studied. what type, frequency rays
are those and how it affects, (as To create an X rays we need high powered
bombarding of paricles on anod electode in vaccumed tube) Are you suspicious
about full moons? I know people who swear that more crimes are committed, more
babies are conceived and born, and more people are admitted to hospitals on
nights where the moon is full. And when my sister told me her prediction--that
my baby would be born on December 12 (next Friday!), when a full moon is
predicted, I wondered what research had to say on the topic--and what you
thought, too...****Let me preface this by telling you that I am probably the
least superstitious person I know. Cemeteries don't even freak me out. But I was
a little spooked at what I read about full moons and how they affect human
behavior. Past studies suggest that some wacky things happen when a full moon is
in the sky. For instance, University of Miami researchers analyzed crime data
over the course of 15 years in the Miami area and found that violent crime was
more likely to be committed on--you guessed it--full-moon nights. Still more
studies have suggested that full moons bring out other scary behaviors, such as
arson, risky driving and kleptomania. (Even during full moon, would you read
porn in public?)But what about our health? One British study found that more
people visit hospitals or make doctor appointments in the days preceding a full
moon. Even so, the researchers have no idea why. As far as more babies being
born on days where the moon is full, I haven't found any solid evidence. But, I
did talk to a few delivery room nurses a few years ago who swore that full moons
brought in more deliveries than regular nights. So, I guess I'll have to wait
until December 12 to see if the prediction is true for me!What do you think
about full moons and the supposed connection to human behavior? Do you buy it or
think it's a bunch of baloney? Or, do you have any crazy-but-true full moon
stories? If so, share! And, what's your prediction for my delivery? Will Vitamin
G's first baby be born on a full-moon night?
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From: akshay68@... Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:07:35 +0530To:
drbhudia@... Subject: Re: āŠāŠ°āŠāŠĻāŠū āŠāŠūāŠĪāŦāŠ°āŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠĩāŠ§āŠĪāŦāŠ āŠĩāŠŋāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻ āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠđ
āŠ āŠŠāŠĻāŠūāŠĩāŠĩāŠūāŠĻāŦāŠ āŠĩāŠēāŠĢ
Respected Dr Bhudia,
Its really heartening to know about the rising levels of waters in the pond of
science and kind efforts and initiatives taken by your goodself and Kutchmitra
Regional Community Science center( Recog By Govt of Gujarat)and Run ByThe Indian
Planetary Society is contributing to this opreation science flood and On The Top
of all The Govt of Gujarat's , Media's(print and elctronic and Information dept
kachchh Bhuj) Role is praise worthy.
Team Work Always works.
Let's join hands more firmly and show the world we can,Yes we Can
Warm Regards and best wishes
Akshay
AKSHAY MALHOTRACHIEF. EXE. OFFICERTHE INDIAN PLANETARY SOCIETY
On 12/2/08, Dr. Bhudia <drbhudia@...> wrote:
āŠāŠ°āŠāŠĻāŠū āŠāŠūāŠĪāŦāŠ°āŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠĩāŠ§āŠĪāŦāŠ
āŠĩāŠŋāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻ āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠđ āŠ āŠŠāŠĻāŠūāŠĩāŠĩāŠūāŠĻāŦāŠ
āŠĩāŠēāŠĢ
WE ARE PLASED TO KNOW THIS AND WE AIM TO DO SO . AFTER ESATBLISH MENT OF KUTCH
ASTRONOMY CLUB WITH INSPIRATION OF THE ARRIVAL OF HELLEY COMET. AS WE REALISED
THE DECREASE OF NUMBERS AND INTERST IN SCIENCE STREAM, WE PLANNED TO ESTABLISH A
SCIENCE FOUNDATION IN KUTCH TO INCREASE STUDENTS AND PUBLIC INTERSTS IN SCIENEC
, WE ESTABLISHED "KUTCH SCIENCE FOUNDATION" IN YEAR 2000. tODAY WE ALSO HAVE WEL
EQUIPPED MILLIONS PAGE DIGITAL LIBRARY FOR sCIENCE FOR ALL BRANCHES OF SCIENCE.
INCLUDING TEN THOUSANDS OF BOOKS OF PURE SCIENCE.universities and colleges, We
are updateing our Digital DATA libraries in our Science foundations. Now we have
Thosands of Books on many subjects of Science and other subjects of Maths and
engineerings as well.
Sub:- Now our Digital DATA libraries in Kutch Science Foundations & many more to
come.
Our digital library is ready to use for references. Colleges and universities
are welcome to share our vast subject selection library.
Now Universities of Gujarat has decided to develop the new digital libraries and
computer network for Universities. we are happy to offer and share our library
source for KUTCH University.
We are sharing some of library of Sanskrit with Sanskrit department but now wide
source is ready for use for students and staff.
We continue to grow our library and are updating our Digital DATA libraries in
our Science foundations.
Now we have Thousands of Books on many subjects of Science and other subjects of
Maths and engineering as well.
Now our Millions page Digital DATA libraries in Kutch Science Foundations & many
more to come.
1) Thousands +1800 of books on Computer and IT Science 500+ libraries = 2300+
books
2) Books on Mathematics Library including MATLABS , Astronomy = 500+ books
including video lecture library
3) Books On Astronomy and Space science, study course library, including SPACE
ENCYCLOPEDIA Astronomy Video library of Science discoveries Asimov's science
fiction library. including video library.
4) Ancient Books of Astronomy, BRAHMAND PURAN, and spherical astronomy, elements
of space, Physics and maths Science which are not available now a day. And
ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SPACE and including video library
4) Home science and Cooking Books with cooking recopies
6) Handicrafts and Stitching books
7) Physics Complete library. +500s of books including video library
8) Chemistry Complete library +500s of Books
9) Biology Complete Library +500s of Books
10) Human Anatomy Science and complete Medical Library for medical university
and research students. + 1500 BOOKS
11) Full medical science library, medical dictionary and Ayurvedic information
library INCLUDING BIOMEDICAL, GENETICS, + 1500 BOOKS
12) Actuarial science and statistical science and predictions BOOKS library
13) Robotic science and technology Books LIBRARY
14) SANSKRIT and grammar including full +1000 page Sanskrit dictionary, Oxford
dictionaries, Vedic (PURANs NAAD VEDAs) Library including all 18 Purans and 4
Vedas including grammar and translations AND AN ANCIENT PERSIAN BOOKS
15) Archaeological library WITH ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ARCHEOLOGY , Forbidden
archaeology including Civilisation and DHOLAVIRA video library, INCA, MAYA,
EGYPT, INDUS etc.
16) Geological Science Library including fossils and DINO fossils complete sets
of Photographic libraries INCLUDING Forbidden Geology, ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GEOLOGY.
including video library
17) History, Science Documentary and science Discoveries, GEO DISCOVERIES and
civilisations Digital and digital Video libraries. including video library
18) Reference Library of ancient civilisation and geological science of Kutch
AND ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GEOTECTONICS . including video library
19) Reference Library for Birds and Environment & Nature library of Kutch AND
ENCYCLOPEDIA OF BIRDS, ENCYCLOPEDIA OF NATURE , ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ANIMAL including
video library
20) Digital Audio Library including Vedic audio, Asimov's Science Fictions audio
Library And many more to come.
21) Books On Botany and science, and ENCYCLOPEDIA OF Science including video
library
22) Books On engineering science, electric engineering, civil , construction and
mechanical + 600 Books23) full Encyclopedia of Britannica 2008
And many more to come
By yours Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of
INDIA.http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/
President:'Kutch Science Foundation'.Founder :'Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club -
Bhuj - Kutch'.Life Member:'kutch Itihaas
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āŠāŠŋāŠēāŦāŠēāŠūāŠāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠ§āŦ. āŦ§āŦĶ āŠŽāŠūāŠĶ āŠĩāŠŋāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻ
āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠđ āŠ āŠŠāŠĻāŠūāŠĩāŠĩāŠūāŠĻāŦāŠ āŠāŠēāŠĢ āŠāŠāŦ
āŠ°āŠđāŠŊāŦāŠ āŠāŦ, āŠĪāŦāŠŊāŠūāŠ°āŦ āŠāŠķāŦāŠāŠ°āŦāŠŊāŠāŠĻāŠ
āŠđāŠāŦāŠāŠĪ āŠ āŠāŦ āŠāŦ, āŠāŠ°āŠāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠāŦāŠēāŦāŠēāŠū
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āŠ āŠŠāŠĻāŠūāŠĩāŠĪāŠū āŠĩāŠŋāŠ§āŠūāŠ°āŦāŠĨāŦāŠāŠĻāŦ āŠļāŠāŠāŦāŠŊāŠū
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āŠāŦ. āŠ āŠŪāŠūāŠāŦ āŠŽāŦ āŠĩāŠ°āŦāŠ· āŠŠāŠđāŦāŠēāŠūāŠ
āŠĩāŠŋāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻ āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠđāŠĻāŦāŠ āŠŽāŦ
āŠāŦāŠ°āŦāŠŠāŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠĩāŠŋāŠāŠūāŠāŠĻ āŠĪāŠĨāŠū
āŠāŦāŠēāŦāŠāŠāŠāŦāŠ·āŠūāŠ āŠĩāŠŋāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻ āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠđāŠĻāŠū
āŠ āŠāŦāŠŊāŠūāŠļāŠāŦāŠ°āŠŪāŦ āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĪāŦāŠŊāŦ āŠĩāŠūāŠēāŦāŠāŠĻāŦ
āŠĩāŠ§āŠĪāŦ āŠāŠūāŠāŦāŠĪāŠŋāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠūāŠ°āŠĢāŠāŦāŠĪ āŠāŠĢāŠūāŠĩāŠūāŠ
āŠ°āŠđāŦ āŠāŦ.
āŠāŦāŠāŠ°āŠūāŠĪāŠāŠ°āŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠāŦāŠēāŦāŠēāŠū āŠĨāŦāŠĄāŠū
āŠĩāŠ°āŦāŠ·āŦāŠĨāŦ āŠĩāŠŋāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻ āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠđāŠĻāŠū
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āŠāŠūāŠ°āŠĢāŦ āŠķāŠŋāŠāŦāŠ·āŠĢ āŠĩāŠŋāŠāŠūāŠāŦ āŠāŦāŠ°āŠŋāŠŊāŠ°
āŠāŦāŠ°āŦāŠĻāŠ° āŠĪāŠĨāŠū āŠŪāŠūāŠ°āŦāŠāŠĶāŠ°āŦāŠķāŠĻ
āŠāŠūāŠ°āŦāŠŊāŠāŦāŠ°āŠŪāŦ āŠāŠŠāŠ°āŠūāŠāŠĪ āŠĩāŠūāŠēāŦāŠāŠĻāŦ
āŠāŠūāŠāŦāŠĪāŠŋ āŠĩāŠŋāŠ·āŠŊāŠ āŠāŠūāŠĢāŠāŠūāŠ°āŦ āŠāŠŠāŠĩāŠū
āŠļāŠāŠŽāŠāŠ§āŦ āŠāŠŊāŦāŠāŠĻ āŠāŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠāŠĩāŦāŠŊāŦāŠ
āŠđāŠĪāŦāŠ. āŠ āŠāŠūāŠ°āŦāŠŊāŠāŦāŠ°āŠŪāŦāŠĻāŦāŠ āŠāŠ°āŠāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠļāŠūāŠ°āŦāŠ āŠŠāŠ°āŠŋāŠĢāŠūāŠŪ āŠ°āŠđāŠŊāŦāŠ āŠđāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠĻāŦāŠ
āŠāŦāŠĩāŠū āŠŪāŠģāŦāŠŊāŦāŠ āŠāŦ.
āŠāŠŋāŠēāŦāŠēāŠū āŠķāŠŋāŠāŦāŠ·āŠĢāŠūāŠ§āŠŋāŠāŠūāŠ°āŦ āŠāŠāŦāŠ°āŦāŠĻāŠū
āŠāŠāŠāŠĄāŠūāŠ āŠŪāŦāŠāŠŽ āŠāŠ°āŠāŠŪāŠūāŠāŠĨāŦ āŦĻāŦĶāŦĶāŠŠāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŦŦāŦĶāŦ āŠĩāŠŋāŠ§āŠūāŠ°āŦāŠĨāŦāŠāŠ āŠ§āŦ. āŦ§āŦĻāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠĩāŠŋāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻ āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠđāŠĻāŦ āŠŠāŠ°āŦāŠāŦāŠ·āŠū āŠāŠŠāŦ
āŠđāŠĪāŦ. āŠāŦ āŠāŠāŠ āŦĻāŦĶāŦĶāŦŽāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠĩāŠ§āŦāŠĻāŦ āŦŽāŦĐāŦŠ
āŠŠāŠ° āŠŠāŠđāŦāŠāŠ°āŠŊāŦ āŠđāŠĪāŦ. āŠĩāŠ°āŦāŠ· āŦĻāŦĶāŦĶāŦāŠŪāŠūāŠ
āŠĩāŠŋ.āŠŠāŦāŠ°.āŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠŽāŦ āŠāŦāŠ°āŦāŠŠāŠĻāŦ āŠŠāŠĶāŦāŠ§āŠĪāŠŋ
āŠ āŠŪāŠēāŦ āŠđāŦāŠĩāŠūāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠūāŠ°āŠĢāŦ āŦŪāŦĻāŦ§ āŠĪāŠĨāŠū
āŦĻāŦĶāŦĶāŦŪāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŦŊāŦŦāŦŽ āŠĩāŠŋāŠ§āŠūāŠ°āŦāŠĨāŦāŠāŠ
āŠŠāŠ°āŦāŠāŦāŠ·āŠū āŠāŠŠāŦ āŠđāŠĪāŦ. āŠāŠūāŠēāŦ āŠĩāŠ°āŦāŠ·āŦ
āŦ§āŦĶāŦĶāŦĶāŠĨāŦ āŠĩāŠ§āŦ āŠĩāŠŋāŠ§āŠūāŠ°āŦāŠĨāŦāŠ āŠĩāŠŋāŠāŦāŠāŠūāŠĻ
āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠđāŠĻāŦ āŠŠāŠ°āŦāŠāŦāŠ·āŠū āŠāŠŠāŦ āŠĪāŦāŠĩāŦāŠ
āŠāŠĢāŠūāŠĩāŠūāŠ āŠ°āŠđāŠŊāŦāŠ āŠāŦ. āŦ§āŦĶ āŠŠāŦāŠāŦ āŠēāŠāŠŠāŠĪ,
āŠ āŠŽāŠĄāŠūāŠļāŠū āŠĪāŠĨāŠū āŠ°āŠūāŠŠāŠ° āŠĪāŠūāŠēāŦāŠāŠūāŠŪāŠūāŠ āŠĪāŦ āŠ
āŠŠāŦāŠ°āŠĩāŠūāŠđāŠĻāŦ āŠāŠ āŠŠāŠĢ āŠķāŠūāŠģāŠū āŠĻāŠĨāŦ.ITS REALY PITY
THAT SCIENCE SCHOOLS ARE STILL NOT AVAILABLE IN ABADASA , RAPAR AND LAKHAPAT BUT
OUR SCIENCE ACTIVITY HAS BEEN STARTED IN ALL THESE REGIONS.
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Dear friends of Science and Astronomy,
Though the events is happening all over, the timings are odd for INDIAN sub
continental region. as total event will not be seen there as shown in map
attached. IN UK AND EUROPE where the events will be fully visible for full time
of event and also in europe VENUS PASS BEHIND MOON DISK in the middle, so actual
measurements of diameter of the MOON and distance of VENUS can be calculated
correctly on astronomicalt and trignometrically.
Occultation of Venus on 01 Dec
Occultation of Venus - December 1, 2008
Venus shortly before disappearance
Venus reappears from behind the Moon
Brilliant Venus will pop out from behind the Moon on Monday night (December 1)
in a spectacular display of celestial hide-and-seek over much of Europe
including the UK. Britain is ideally placed for the rare event, called a
planetary occultation, which occurs during the "rush hour" and so could be
widely noticed by non-astronomers. In the darkening twilight, Venus will appear
like a bright "star" emerging and detaching itself from the crescent Moon which
will probably show "earthshine" on its dark side - a phenomenon known as "the
old moon in the young moon's arms". The pair will then make a dazzling pattern
with another bright planet, Jupiter, above the south-western horizon - itself a
rare event called a conjunction.The Moon's cover-up of Venus begins in daylight
shortly after 3.45pm from London. Venus will then lie just to the left of the
Moon and may be seen even with the naked eye as it is so bright. But the
reappearance of Venus will be even easier to spot because of the darker sky.
From London this happens at about 5.16pm. Times in other parts of the country
vary slightly but you can check for major cities below. (Warning: Do not try to
find it in binoculars or a telescope without first hiding the Sun behind a
building and don't allow anyone else to risk pointing the instrument at the Sun
and being blinded.)The lunar cover-up is similar to a solar eclipse except that
it is Venus being hidden instead of the Sun. A conjunction between these bright
planets and the Moon is unusual enough but the occultation makes this event
extra special. It will be a spectacular sight in the twilight sky, if clouds
stay away, and a great opportunity to get out your camera.
Time of disappearance
Time of reappearance
Penzance
3.37pm
5.11pm
Bristol
3.42pm
5.14pm
Swansea
3.40pm
5.12pm
London
3.46pm
5.16pm
Birmingham
3.43pm
5.13pm
Norwich
3.48pm
5.17pm
Manchester
3.42pm
5.12pm
Hull
3.45pm
5.14pm
Douglas
3.39pm
5.09pm
Newcastle
3.43pm
5.13pm
Belfast
3.37pm
5.07pm
Edinburgh
3.41pm
5.09pm
Inverness
3.39pm
5.07pm
If you can find the Moon in the sky earlier in the afternoon, see if you can
spot Venus just to its left. You may be surprised at how easy it is to see in
daylight with the naked-eye once you know where to look!" Do report any
sightings to the SPA Occultation Section. You can also post your pictures and
results, and check those of other observers, on the SPA Forum.
SPA Lunar Section Director Peter Grego is hoping to show a live webcast of the
occultation if skies are clear. Check his website here.
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Dear friends of Science and Astronomy,
Though the events is happening all over, the timings are odd for INDIAN sub
continental region. as total event will not be seen there as shown in map
attached. IN UK AND EUROPE where the events will be fully visible for full time
of event and also in europe VENUS PASS BEHIND MOON DISK in the middle, so actual
measurements of diameter of the MOON and distance of VENUS can be calculated
correctly on astronomicalt and trignometrically.
Occultation of Venus on 01 Dec
Occultation of Venus - December 1, 2008
Venus shortly before disappearance
Venus reappears from behind the Moon
Brilliant Venus will pop out from behind the Moon on Monday night (December 1)
in a spectacular display of celestial hide-and-seek over much of Europe
including the UK. Britain is ideally placed for the rare event, called a
planetary occultation, which occurs during the "rush hour" and so could be
widely noticed by non-astronomers.
In the darkening twilight, Venus will appear like a bright "star" emerging and
detaching itself from the crescent Moon which will probably show "earthshine" on
its dark side - a phenomenon known as "the old moon in the young moon's arms".
The pair will then make a dazzling pattern with another bright planet, Jupiter,
above the south-western horizon - itself a rare event called a conjunction.
The Moon's cover-up of Venus begins in daylight shortly after 3.45pm from
London. Venus will then lie just to the left of the Moon and may be seen even
with the naked eye as it is so bright. But the reappearance of Venus will be
even easier to spot because of the darker sky. From London this happens at about
5.16pm. Times in other parts of the country vary slightly but you can check for
major cities below. (Warning: Do not try to find it in binoculars or a telescope
without first hiding the Sun behind a building and don't allow anyone else to
risk pointing the instrument at the Sun and being blinded.)
The lunar cover-up is similar to a solar eclipse except that it is Venus being
hidden instead of the Sun. A conjunction between these bright planets and the
Moon is unusual enough but the occultation makes this event extra special. It
will be a spectacular sight in the twilight sky, if clouds stay away, and a
great opportunity to get out your camera.
Time of disappearance
Time of reappearance
Penzance
3.37pm
5.11pm
Bristol
3.42pm
5.14pm
Swansea
3.40pm
5.12pm
London
3.46pm
5.16pm
Birmingham
3.43pm
5.13pm
Norwich
3.48pm
5.17pm
Manchester
3.42pm
5.12pm
Hull
3.45pm
5.14pm
Douglas
3.39pm
5.09pm
Newcastle
3.43pm
5.13pm
Belfast
3.37pm
5.07pm
Edinburgh
3.41pm
5.09pm
Inverness
3.39pm
5.07pm
If you can find the Moon in the sky earlier in the afternoon, see if you can
spot Venus just to its left. You may be surprised at how easy it is to see in
daylight with the naked-eye once you know where to look!" Do report any
sightings to the SPA Occultation Section. You can also post your pictures and
results, and check those of other observers, on the SPA Forum.
SPA Lunar Section Director Peter Grego is hoping to show a live webcast of the
occultation if skies are clear. Check his website here.
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From: kutchsciencefoundation@... Dear EDITORIALS, Friends of the
Science, History, paleontology and Geology, ISOTOPIC FINGERPRINTS OF MICROBIAL
RESPIRATION IN ARAGONITE FROM MODERN BAHAMIAN STROMATOLITES
More Information of Stromatolites @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromatolite
'The Strombolites' was inspired by a visit to a lake south of Perth, one of two
places in Australia where 'strombolites' can be seen. These are a kind of
'living' rock which date back to the dawn of life on Earth
Though geologist all over the world do visit to research in Kutch but Geological
study has not been given such a priority in KUTCH. Kutch do have fossilised
strombolites in Gangeshwar dome area. when it was under shalow sea water it has
LIVING fossils at that time but later with the uplift of the area from the sea
bed. those fossils are plenty on the gangeshwar hill area.
Though Australians and Americans geologist has dome more to study similar
fossils in PERTH of AUSTRALIA. none of geologist has given the time to the
strombolites foosils of Gangeshwar dome of KUTCH. similarly Bay of Kutch is
full of misteries. Diving in bay of kutch reveals a beutiful coral seabed and
planty of Living STROMATOLITES which are original organisms of the time of the
evolution of life on the Earth. picture of the BAY of kutch and Perth Australlia
are attached along with gangeshwar dome strombolites fossils in KUTCH
Which proves the KUTCH land formation is since the LIFE evolved on the Earth and
well beyond the time we think. and need more study of the fossil records.
documentry film for this subject is vailable for reference study in the
Geological Library of KUTCH SCIENCE FOUNDATION GEOLOGICAl section.
Geology Department, Univ of California at Davis, Davis, CA 95616,
sumner@... and ANDRES, Miriam S., Rosenstiel School of Marine
and Atmospheric Science, University of Miami, 4600 Rickenbacker Causeway, Miami,
FL 33149 In honor of Prof. Ginsburg and the numerous insightful conversations we
have had with him, we present new results on processes causing lithification in
modern Bahamian stromatolites. As Ginsburg has argued for longer than we have
been scientists, understanding how modern stromatolites or Ą°strombolitesĄą form
and lithify is critical to properly interpreting the origins of ancient
stromatolites. Microbial roles in stromatolite lithification can be traced in
carbonates because microbial communities produce carbon isotopic shifts when
they cycle local DIC (dissolved inorganic carbon). Thus, the isotopic
composition of carbonates can record ancient microbial CO2 cycling, providing
insights into the processes of stromatolite growth and microbial influences on
carbonate chemistry. In shallow subtidal modern stromatolites from Highborne
Cay, Bahamas, authigenic aragonite preserves a carbon isotopic record of
heterotrophic microbial influences on DIC; authigenic aragonite is >1 per mil
depleted in 13C relative to aragonite that precipitated in equilibrium with
local seawater. Even though cyanobacteria raise pH during peak photosynthesis,
more aragonite precipitates when and where respiration influences local DIC.
These results are consistent with 1) sulfate reduction promoting carbonate
precipitation and 2) calcium release during decay of exopolymeric substances as
previously reported. Thus, heterotrophs play a more important role than
phototrophs in Bahamian stromatolite lithification on a local scale. However,
organic matter produced by cyanobacteria supports the heterotrophic community.
Thus, the absence of an autotrophic isotopic signature in the rock record cannot
imply the absence of photosynthetic activity.
Heterotrophic signatures may also be difficult to observe in ancient
stromatolites. With continued lithification, the 1-2Ąë ĶÄ13C shifts will be
diluted by carbonate precipitation during early diagenesis and burial. Thus,
microbial isotopic signatures in shallow subtidal stromatolites are only likely
to be identified in exceptional circumstances. Identifying ancient microbial
signatures will require careful sampling to separate carbonate components with
different isotopic signatures and carbonates that precipitated on the spatial
scales influenced by microbial communities.If oyu are just waiting to hear for
the Hominid Fossils found in the KUTCH, your wish will be copleted very soon in
near future! teams are working to get the perfect evidence proofs and soon reach
to conclusion to clear the confusions.Do not be surprised if you get a good vews
of unexpected HOMINID fossil find in the KUTCH of GUJARAT INDIA. Though most of
the geologist stick to the darwinian beliefs, But thats not the coplete truth
and thats the reality that darwinian theory is not the coplete science of
creation of the GOD.Many of the geologist are in favour of the New Study
Supporting the Idea That Primates and Dinosaurs Coexisted. and Many geologists
do stay away from those Geologist but must not afraid of these but dare to read
their finding facts too. GEOLOGIST opposing those viws must read the BOOK about
the hominid evolution, the canals studied of many living primates, 'Review of
Forbidden Archaeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race.' Books and
Documentry Filming evedenses are avilable for reference ONLy at out Science
library geology sections. MANY GEOLOGISTS did LAUGH when first news of fossils
of GIANTS CROCODILION published very first time just after the KUTCH EARTHQUAKE
in 2001. But Now atleast FOUR crocodillion fossil specimens are discoverd from
Kutch sediments. Though many have not visited those museum places to see them
may be lack of information to them.But here is details of those 1) in PANDHROW
Mine GEOLOGY MUSEUM at PANDROW - KUTCH @
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=23.6896473&lon=68.7201691&z=14&l=0&m=a&v=2&search=Pana\
ndhro2) Bharatioya SANSKRITI DARSHAN Museum of BHUJ - SPECIMAN PICTURES MAP AND
LOACTION @
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=23.241982&lon=69.6648324&z=18&l=0&m=a&v=2&show=/884307\
/Bharatiya-Sankriti-Darsan-Museum3) specimen is under process of retrieving and
the 4) the very first and the BIGGEST OF ALL is been destroyed due to lack to
understand the preserving the precious fossil treasere.Geo ARCHEOLOGICAL
LIBRARY LISTING of KUTCH SCIENCE FOUNDATION DIGITAL LIBRARY
15) 100s of Books of Archaeological library WITH ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ARCHEOLOGY ,
Forbidden archaeology including Civilisation and DHOLAVIRA video library, INCA,
MAYA, EGYPT, INDUS etc.
16) 100s of Books of Geological Science Library including fossils and DINO
fossils complete sets of Photographic libraries INCLUDING Forbidden Geology,
ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GEOLOGY. including video library INCLUDING Forbidden Geology
video.
Many doubts were raised when ETV and Bombay SAMACHAR broadcasted the following
news, with doubt that the PURVA - Aadi MANAV ancestor was not existing at that
time but now the skeleton evidence came out that the ancestor missing link was
there at that time before (about 22 to 5.5 million years ago) between 11 and 16
million years ago.
The partial skeleton of this 13-million-year-old 'missing link' was found by
palaeontologists working at a dig site near Barcelona in Spain.
That time matches with the Rameshwarm bridge and RAMAVATAR and Koteshwar -
RAVANa History (Tretauga), means Formation of MONKEY and Apes army formation by
DEVAs. that will rule out all the doubts raised for the PURVA - Aadi
MANAV.Hominid Foot prints found in older layers may have been formed later in
the geological process but the study of Photomicrographs and infrared
photography is required so that to eliminate that there were no signs of carving
or artificial markings in or around the prints. A study of microscopic count of
sand grains is ralso required so indicating that the material within the prints
had been impacted, and created as the result of a force pressing down on the
firmament while it was soft. These facts show that the prints were made by the
natural result of pressure from the human foot, and in no way could have been
duplicated by carving nor only the pheneonmena of honeycomb appearance as the
study of Photomicrographs and infrared photography can differnciate the compact
sand particles under the pressurepoints which are not in honeycomb pattern
appearance.Many geologists and paleontologists do visit with curiocity of the
specimen and the subject but have no background of study of Photomicrographs and
infrared photography and its geological/paleontological applications so do not
have any clue or chance to study those subjects in that angle of research.
unfortunately lack of resourses and facility for such a research. Phase Two
Fossils: Burroughs Conjecture
The most cogent explanation of anomalous fossil footprints is perhaps offered by
Dr. William Greely Burroughs, of Berea College in Kentucky. Dr. Burroughs
conjecture is that a depression in fossil-bearing rock may, long after the
original fossils have been formed, be filled with a sediment that in its turn
may also become the medium in which the impression of a footprint or the body of
a creature is fossilized. When this second period of fossilization is complete
the newly formed rock may be indistinguishable from the older formation, and the
new fossils may appear to have formed at the same time as those which are much
older. Thus, several fossilization processes may wind up looking like a
footprint made at the same time. This is undoubtebly the case in many instances,
but the theory is lacking in several respects. Firstly, fossilized human
footprints have been found deep within rocks that show no evidence of
discontinuous formation, not just at the junction of sedimentary layers.
Secondly, out of place fossils are often inconsistent not only with the ages of
associated fossils but also with the rock strata and the age conventionally
ascribed to them. New Study Supports Idea That Primates, Dinosaurs Coexisted
!!!!
Sientists have acquired new data supporting the idea that the last ancestor
shared by all living primates walked with the dinosaurs more than 80 million
years ago. The results came from a new technique used to reconstruct the course
of animal evolution.Previously, opposing scientific camps estimated that the
animal that gave rise to the primates lived as recently as 55 million years ago
and as long ago as 90 million years. The newly proposed date is closer to the
older end of the range. That's significant because the older estimate, which was
derived from studies based on molecular genetics, identifies the earliest
primates as contemporaries of the dinosaurs. The younger date, which was based
on fossil records, represents a period after the dinosaurs had already become
extinct. 'Our results agree broadly with a molecular estimate [and] contradict
widely accepted palaeontological estimates,' Simon TavarĻĶ of the University of
Southern California and his colleagues reported in the journal Nature. Their
finding sprang from a scientific collaboration that straddled the fields of
biology and mathematics and spanned research centers from California to the
Swiss Alps. Working with colleagues from Harvard University, the University of
Washington, Chicago's Field Museum, and institutions in England and Switzerland,
TavarĻĶ used a novel mathematical approach to help answer a major piece of the
evolutionary puzzle. Past Views The search for the first primateĄŠthat is, the
last animal to have been an ancestor of all members of the primate family
treeĄŠhas long intrigued scientists and others interested in humanity's
evolutionary origins. From the oldest known fossil remains of primates,
paleontologists have determined that some ancient members of our evolutionary
family lived and died at least as far back as 55 million years ago. Fossils
alone, however, cannot disclose precisely when members of the last common
ancestral species began to segregate into distinct populations that eventually
gave rise to the modern array of some 200 primate species. That's because the
fossil record is incomplete. Paleontologists can't tell how close any particular
specimen was to the progenitor of the primates. So, to approach the problem from
another angle, scientists in the field of molecular genetics have compared
subtle differences in the DNA of living primates. Geneticists can tell how
recently two species diverged from a common ancestor from information etched in
the organisms' genes: The fewer differences researchers find between two genetic
codes, the more recently the species parted evolutionary company. Using this
method, geneticists have concluded that about 90 million years have elapsed
since all living primates shared their last common ancestor. Based on such
studies, evolutionary biologists such as Pennsylvania State University's Blair
Hedges believe that early primates lived alongside the great reptiles.
'[Primates and other] major groups of mammals evolved for tens of millions of
years before the dinosaurs became extinct,' Hedges said. That mass extinction
occurred about 65 million years ago.
Fleshing out the Fossil Record
To reconcile the genetics-based date with the comparatively young estimates of
paleontologists, TavarĻĶ and his colleagues fashioned an evolutionary tree of
the primates as it's known from fossils.
Not wanting to depend entirely on what paleontologists have turned up, the
researchers then fleshed out the rudimentary tree with educated guesswork. They
used mathematical equations to predict how many species of primates are not
represented in the fossil record, and to predict when and for how long those
species may have lived.
The resulting modelĄŠbased loosely on hard evidence but expanded to take into
account species that lived and died out but remain unknown to scienceĄŠsuggests
that the earliest primate lived about 81.5 million years ago, long before the
age of the oldest fossils uncovered by paleontologists.
'Naturally,' said Hedges, 'I am pleased with this result because it shows
agreement with our molecular-clock studies.'
TavarĻĶ's team suggested that the earliest primates might have been small,
nocturnal creatures that inhabited tropical forests. But, assuming they did
exist that long ago, numerous forms could have evolved prior to the fateful
cataclysm that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.
That event, presumably caused by a giant impact from outerspace, didn't wipe out
all primates living at the time, but probably spared relatively few of them,
TavarĻĶ theorized. Those primates that survived would have subsequently evolved
into myriad species.
'Of course, this is all speculation,' TavarĻĶ acknowledged. 'We have not found
any fossils in that bin yet.'
In fact, scientists may never know how these proposed lost kin of ours
lookedĄŠor be certain they existed at allĄŠunless paleontologists someday
recover fossilized remains. FROM YOURS Dr.BHUDIA-Science Group Of
INDIA.http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/venustransit_2004/President:'Kutch
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From: kutchsciencefoundation@...
Dear friends of Science, Astronomy and all kutchies.
People of Kutch are preparing for ASHADHI BIJ (ASHAD SUD2-JUNE24 Though RATH
YATRA will be held on ASHAD SUD3-JUNE25) years 2009 as Kutchi NEW year 2066 and
all kutchi from all over the world will gather in KUTCH to celebrate the NEW
year. But Kutchi astronomers will celebrate double celebrations. So wish both
astronomers and Kutchies get to gather for combined double celebrations with
Kutchi HINDOLA in Swaminarayan temples.
Simultaneously JUST after 4 weeks ASHAD AMAVASHYA-JULY22 celebration as year
2009 is also will be celebrated as INTERNATIONAL ASTRONOMY YEAR and as the great
astronomical phenomenon of TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE in the year 2009 is in INDIA
starting from Saurashtra, south of GUJARAT and crossing middle of India on
Tropic of CANCER.
22 July 2009 is waiting to celebrate in INDIA , and the year 2009 is the
international Astronomy year. let us celebarte together all together.
Places of Gujarat, astronomy clubs of that area of near Eclipse centre line near
areas of the Bay of CAMBAY.
SuratAstronomyClub SuratAstronomyClub-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
VEDicScienceMaths VEDicScienceMaths-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
bhavnagarastronomyclub BhavnagarAstronomyClub-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
MahuvaAstronomyClub MahuvaAstronomyClub-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Since we had Venus transit activity in India we are waiting for an another
golden opportunity of Total eclipse locally passing through the middle of India
and Indian continental region. That will give the maximum advantage to study for
Sun Eclipse to the maximum Local people of India and from all over the world to
come to India.
Since it has starting point @ SE region of Saurashtra around Bhavnagar and
Mahuva beach area and crossing south Gujarat - Surat and MP, UP, Bangol and
Assam it will give advantage to people around to study the phenomenon locally at
their own home place. we encourage local people, schools and science institutes
to participate and share their knowledge and experience during this time and
give and take maximum benefit of the study of the SUN Eclipse study opportunity.
Luckily both the place Bhavnagar and Surat of Gujarat have Science teaching
institutes and university. we encourage people from the concerned department
come forward and start an astronomical activity in and advance to create
interest in local people and students. so bye the time they are well aware of
the importance of the Astronomical phenomenon and train them for the study of
the subject.
http://eclipse.astroinfo.org/solar/maps/solecl-2009-07-22-india.htmlhttp://eclipse.astroinfo.org/solar/globallist2005.html All Solar Eclipses until
2015
We compiled all solar eclipses for the nearer future, accompagned with a rought
global view of the region obscured. Maps are available on a national scale for
total solar eclipses, and for selected regions of some annular eclipses.
Solar Eclipse-Wednesday July 22 2009
2009 July 22 Wednesday
Total
108.1%
6m43.5s
Partial:
Asia, Polynesia, Pacific Ocean
Total:
India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan, China Ostchinesisches Meer Ogasawara-Inseln
(JP) Marschallinseln Samoa (keine grossen Inseln)
http://eclipse.astroinfo.org/solar/maps/solecl-2009-07-22-india.html
Interactive Map for the Solar Eclipse of 22 July 2009
Click on a location on the map and see the solar eclipse at this location.
The following maps are directely linked to our astronomical online software
CalSKY and show the maximum eclipse phase for the solar eclipse you have
selected. Furthermore, the local circumstances are listed as well (attention:
times in Universal Time, UTC/GMT, if not otherwise noted). The icon shows an
example of what to expect.
With Compliments from: Dr. BHUDIA : Science Group Of
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Science Foundation".Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj -
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From: drbhudia@...kutchsciencefoundation@... Subject: Japanese
researchers make brain tissues from stem cellsTo: harshadudeshi@...;
b.mthakkar@...
Dear Docs, Medicos and friends of Science and Genetics,
Japanese researchers said Thursday they had created functioning human brain
tissues from stem cells, a world first that has raised new hopes for the
treatment of disease.
Stem cells taken from human embryos have been used to form tissues of the
cerebral cortex, the supreme control tower of the brain, according to
researchers at the government-backed research institute Riken.
The tissues self-organised into four distinct zones very similar to the
structure seen in human foetuses, and conducted neuro-activity such as
transmitting electrical signals, the institute said.
Research on stem cells is seen as having the potential to save lives by helping
to find cures for diseases such as cancer and diabetes or to replace damaged
cells, tissues and organs.
The team's previous studies showed stem cells differentiated into distinct cells
but until now they had never organised into functioning tissues.
"In regenerative therapy, only a limited number of diseases can be cured with
simple cell transplants. Transplanting tissues could raise hopes for greater
functional recovery," the institute said in a statement.
"Cultivated tissues are still insufficient and too small to be used to treat
stroke patients. But study of in-vitro cultivation of more mature cortex
tissues, such as those with six zones like in the adult human brain, will be
stepped up," it said.
The tissues could also serve as "a mini organ" for use in studying the cause of
the Alzheimer's disease and developing vaccines, it said.
Embryonic stem cells are harvested by destroying a viable embryo, a process that
some people find unacceptable.
Riken said cortex tissues were also obtained from "induced pluripotent stem
cells," which are similar to embryonic stem cells but artificially induced,
typically from adult cells such as skin cells.
The research was led by Yoshiki Sasai at Riken Centre for Development Biology in
western Japan's Kobe.
The cultivated tissues look like minature mushrooms two millimetres (0.08
inches) in diametre.
The team also succeeded in making cortex tissues from the embryonic stem cells
of mice.
Using mouse tissues, scientists confirmed they had formed a network of neurons
that properly respond to stimulus.
The tissues can also be selectively induced to different cortex types
controlling memories, visual sensation and other tasks.
The findings of the study were published in the November 6 online journal Cell
Stem Cell in the United States.
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