Dear Science and astronomy friends,
It is still too early to ask but still let us discuss what will be the best time
and places to observe the Venus transit?
Morning transit or evening transit? Clear sky or Hazy sky without clouds. and so
where we need to go to see the best?
Its good idea to think about of places and weather well in an advance before the
real phenomenon.
going back to the time of viewing the Venus transit - it will be convenient to
see in either at the place where Venus transit is in the morning time or in the
evening time. (Best will be transit with Sun rise as there will be a chance to
see all later phases of Venus
transit -later in the day)
If any one have a map of the transit where it will be visible in the morning
(with sun rise )and where in the evening (before sun set)time. that will be
better to observe the sun disk and transits of Venus with low light in morning
OR evening time. also that will give good view as that will give a wider pupil
view in the eye. and pleasant atmosphere too. bit hazy atmosphere with light fog
in air may improve the view as it gives partial filter effects.
but for that some one has to travel east or west depending of the location.
Some prefer to go to see shore- some to desert area like Kutch and some to Hill
station holiday to enjoy. But main problem is weather on the day - hope that do
not become cloudy at the time at that place.
Weather patterns nowadays are changing so unexpectedly that we can not judge the
weather in six months in advance. (generally kutch weather is clear sky in June
but last early June 2003 was well cloudy followed by plenty of rain for many
long days) so this type of changing weather pattern need to take an opinion from
weather expert well in advance but just 2-3 weeks before 8June. that will decide
where to go or not! and whether to go or not!
Time tables of some Venus transits:
Year Begin End
1518 4 Jun 22:25 5 Jun 5:34
1526 2 Jun 16:10 2 Jun 22:19
1631 7 Dec 3:37 7 Dec 7:04
1639 4 Dec 14:51 4 Dec 22:02
1761 6 Jun 1:55 6 Jun 8:43
1769 3 Jun 19:08 4 Jun 1:42
1874 9 Dec 1:38 9 Dec 6:36
1882 6 Dec 13:48 6 Dec 20:22
2004 8 Jun 5:07 8 Jun 11:33
2012 5 Jun 22:03 6 Jun 4:56
2117 10 Dec 23:54 11 Dec 5:50
2125 8 Dec 13:10 8 Dec 19:01
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Dear Science and Astronomy friends,
There are many disputes, but seeing these its really looks that there are plenty
of Bluffs. recently NASA Declared galaxies are closing at the speed of 2000/s
!!! But No calculation proofs and no confirmation. We just blindly Believe BIG
names and even their bluffs and no one tries to make calculation check. Is there
any one can put some calculations? hope some one will find correction with proof
of calculations an not just Copy ditto of BIG NAMES information.
It has been found on statistics and graphical presentation that :
1) Natural satellites are going round at near about 1- 4 km /s round the
planetary bodies.(Units speed) our Moon speed <1km /s.
2) Planets are going round at near about 10- 40 km /s round the solar
systems.(tens speed) Earth 29-30 Km /s round the Sun.
3) Solar Systems are going round at near about 100- 400 km /s round the
Galaxies. (Hundreds speed) solar system 280 km /s.
4) Galaxies are going round at near about 1000+ km /s round (thousands
speed) NASA Declared galaxies are closing at the speed of 2000/s
5) If anything (Universe) going 10000-40000 speed (in a muliverse system)
Multiverse system ?? be travelling 100000 - 400000 km /s ??????? That's not the
materialistic worlds ad 300000/s speed is the speed of energy not the
materialistic matter. (INVISIBLE)
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubofindia/message/6
February 14, 2002 "<br>Just last night -
scientist found that Remained SUN LIFE of our SUN star can
not be greater than 3BN years as the two galaxies
(Andromeda and Milky way are closing at the speed of 2000Km
/s * 3bn years =22Mn light years ) will destroy the
stars of galaxies and the sun will neither become white
dwarf nor the red Giant.<br><br>(Calculations: speed of
2000Km /s * 3bn yers =22Mn light years )
http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.html
When will the next galaxy hit the Milky Way? according to Dr. Sten Odenwald
with NASA's IMAGE/POETRY project:
"Well...The Milky Way is currently making a meal of the Large and Small
Magellanic Clouds and will probably finish digesting them in, say, 100 million
years or so. There are also several dwarf galaxies such as the Sagittarius
System that are also, apparently, waiting in the wings. The biggest, and most
spectacular, collision will be with the Andromeda Galaxy ( Messier 31) which is
due to visit us in about 2-3 billion years give or take a few millenia! It is
approaching the Milky Way at a speed of roughly 300 km/sec, so that in 1 billion
years it will be 300,000 parsecs closer ( roughly 1/2 its current distance). By
the time they are 100,000 parsecs apart, in about 2 billion years or so, massive
tidal gravitational effects will tear spiral arms apart and start to shred the
pinwheels from the outside-in."
What else? from our prime-radiant site: notes on Colliding and the Fate of
the Milky Way (8/3/01)
http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/000414b.asp
The 2.2-million-light-year gap between the Milky Way and Andromeda is closing at
about 500,000 kilometres an hour, he explains. That pace will quicken as the two
galaxies near each other.
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast15jul99_2.htm
Collisions are much rarer today than they were in the past, but not impossible.
Our own spiral galaxy, the Milky Way, is currently "eating up" several small
satellite galaxies. Within 5 to 10 billion years -- some computer simulations
show -- the Milky Way may collide with the Andromeda galaxy, and the result
would be an elliptical galaxy.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: WHO IS RIGHT? http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.htmlhttp://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/000414b.asphttp://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast15jul99_2.htm
Dear Science and Astronomy friends,
There are many disputes, but seeing these its really looks that there are plenty
of Bluffs. recently NASA Declared galaxies are closing at the speed of 2000/s
!!! But No calculation proofs and no confirmation. We just blindly Believe BIG
names and even their bluffs and no one tries to make calculation check. Is there
any one can put some calculations? hope some one will find correction with proof
of calculations an not just Copy ditto of BIG NAMES information.
It has been found on statistics and graphical presentation that :
1) Natural satellites are going round at near about 1- 4 km /s round the
planetary bodies.(Units speed) our Moon speed <1km /s.
2) Planets are going round at near about 10- 40 km /s round the solar
systems.(tens speed) Earth 29-30 Km /s round the Sun.
3) Solar Systems are going round at near about 100- 400 km /s round the
Galaxies. (Hundreds speed) solar system 280 km /s.
4) Galaxies are going round at near about 1000+ km /s round (thousands
speed) NASA Declared galaxies are closing at the speed of 2000/s
5) If anything (Universe) going 10000-40000 speed (in a muliverse system)
Multiverse system ?? be travelling 100000 - 400000 km /s ??????? That's not the
materialistic worlds ad 300000/s speed is the speed of energy not the
materialistic matter. (INVISIBLE)
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubofindia/message/6
February 14, 2002 "<br>Just last night -
scientist found that Remained SUN LIFE of our SUN star can
not be greater than 3BN years as the two galaxies
(Andromeda and Milky way are closing at the speed of 2000Km
/s * 3bn years =22Mn light years ) will destroy the
stars of galaxies and the sun will neither become white
dwarf nor the red Giant.<br><br>(Calculations: speed of
2000Km /s * 3bn yers =22Mn light years )
http://www.futuresedge.org/Colliding_galaxies_2.html
When will the next galaxy hit the Milky Way? according to Dr. Sten Odenwald
with NASA's IMAGE/POETRY project:
"Well...The Milky Way is currently making a meal of the Large and Small
Magellanic Clouds and will probably finish digesting them in, say, 100 million
years or so. There are also several dwarf galaxies such as the Sagittarius
System that are also, apparently, waiting in the wings. The biggest, and most
spectacular, collision will be with the Andromeda Galaxy ( Messier 31) which is
due to visit us in about 2-3 billion years give or take a few millenia! It is
approaching the Milky Way at a speed of roughly 300 km/sec, so that in 1 billion
years it will be 300,000 parsecs closer ( roughly 1/2 its current distance). By
the time they are 100,000 parsecs apart, in about 2 billion years or so, massive
tidal gravitational effects will tear spiral arms apart and start to shred the
pinwheels from the outside-in."
What else? from our prime-radiant site: notes on Colliding and the Fate of
the Milky Way (8/3/01)
http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/000414b.asp
The 2.2-million-light-year gap between the Milky Way and Andromeda is closing at
about 500,000 kilometres an hour, he explains. That pace will quicken as the two
galaxies near each other.
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast15jul99_2.htm
Collisions are much rarer today than they were in the past, but not impossible.
Our own spiral galaxy, the Milky Way, is currently "eating up" several small
satellite galaxies. Within 5 to 10 billion years -- some computer simulations
show -- the Milky Way may collide with the Andromeda galaxy, and the result
would be an elliptical galaxy.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
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Dear Astronomy and science friends,
Venus transit and AU Calculations have limitations as that is the au measured
on the day - and not the mean AU - as neither it is on the aphelion or nor on
the day of perihelion of the earth and has only one chance in that year and has
to wait for long for other chance in diff situation. Also Au calculation is to
be compared with other observation to get it right.
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One of the accurate, daily observations is timing of the sun set and its
applications in Vedic science. (pls Do your OWN calculations).
Method 1) take two indexing poles A and B and fix it upright to one of wood
base. now observe the Sun (S) from the observation point (C) so as to come all
observation point C, upper end of A, and upper end of B and LOWER BORDER -
margin of Sun S - all in one line." -> C-> A-> B-> S " First observation -
record that time with a stopwatch facility so as to record 1/10 or 1/100 sec if
you have or in round seconds if you do not have stop watch. Second observation -
now take second reading when observation point C, upper end of A, and upper end
of B and UPPER Border of Sun S - all in one line." -> C-> A-> B-> S " so record
the timing by stopping the stop watch when UPPER border comes to same line
position as above.
Take those time difference of the two recorded readings. - ANY doubt - If you
have any doubt - you can take multiple readings as plenty of chances are there
in a day - also which will help to get you daily average timings to eradicate
all errors. it will take only few minutes.
Method 2) Same readings can be recorded on VIDEO recording with grid screen
lines and clock running while recording. and many video has shutter sped of
10,000 and can be played in slow frame - by frame and as this is recorded and
you can re run by reply. no need to take multiple reading in this method. also
this ha in built clock running in the screen 1/100 or 1/1000 of the second can
be recorded to most accurate readings
Note 1) IF those readings are taken near tome of Aphelion and perihelion period
of the Earth (4Jan - 4July ) it gives that time AU and easy to find Mann AU
distance too.
Note 2) these readings are very accurate that if you take 1/100 s clock record
it gives 1/7" = 0.15" size of SUN size and with 1/1000 clock ten times more
accurate. That is equal to 10000 km and 1000 km AU accuracy respectively.
Easy Calculations : Earth moves 1 degree in 4 minutes = 240 seconds -
observation time recorder gives you the degree of the sun while Earth rotates
that much in that time.
Perihelion OBSERVATION recorded on JAN 4 144.328 sec - simple rounded - 144
seconds
144/240= 0.6 degree = 36' Sun disk diameter;
sin 36' = Sun diameter / AU (p) - perihelion;
0.009424638 = 1391980/ AU (p) ;
AU (p) = 1391980 / 0.009424638;
AU (p) - perihelion = 147695858.5 km
Aphelion OBSERVATION recorded on July 4 139.922 sec - simple rounded - 140
seconds
140/240= 0.5833 degree = 35' Sun disk diameter;
Sin 35' = Sun diameter / AU (a) - aphelion;
0.009162326 = 1391980/ AU (a) ;
AU (a) = 1391980 / 0.009162326;
AU (a) - aphelion = 151924303.9 km;
Mean AU = 151924303.9 km + 147695858.5 km X 1/2 = 149810081.2 Km.
* We can record daily observation and plot an Earth orbit with great accuracy.
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Dear Astronomy and Science friends,
After hearing the sad news of the BEAGLE2, it looks that we lost it but
scientist do not leave any hope till the end - why? so question rise the - Where
is the BEAGLE2 ? where it can be ? how can we search for it?
There are many possibilities - let us device in three stages of it and their
chances of to being there. 1) M+1 position of mars 2) M+0 position of mars and
3) M-1 position of Mars at the time of the final leg of the landing of the
BEAGLE 2 to the MARS.
1) M+1 position of the Mars. (Beagle becomes Late)- Beagle was travelling to
wards the mars meeting point 'X' at the speed of 3km /s where Mars was
travelling at about 24km /s at the same point as we expected. means Mars was
approaching about 19 Km /s to the Beagle2 towards the meeting point 'X'
Here Beagle2 was about 5 mn km from mars to meet in 6 days time - and mars was
expected to be approaching to it to cover that 1/2 km/day. Here in this case if
Mars did OVERTOOK the Beagle2 before it reach to mars gravitation. so mars was
ahead of Beagle2 (1) M+1 position of the Mars.). then Beagle2 has continued to
travel in the same direction as it was travelling before towards the orbit of
next planetary orbits?
In that case Mars is moving 1/2 every day. so we should look with the earth
radio telescope (if it had any facility to emit radio signals tracking device
attached to beagle to trace in case it is lost in the space ????? if such a
facility was attached and activated to Beagle2???? ) / or an optical or any
other means (Hubble) telescopes in the direction in which Beagle2 was sent and
not in the direction of present Mars position.
Chances of such case are just so minor (Negligible) as Mother ship was in the
same direction reached the mars orbit.
2) M+0 position of the Mars. -(Beagle was on time)-
Most probable chance that Beagle to was on time. so it entered the mars
gravitation but was that in the parallel to the mars and Martian satellites
orbital planes? and these timing were considered when Beagle 2 was separated
from Mothership for the final leg of the journey to the Mars landing.
2A) Mars satellites are orbiting so close to Mars - if any thing goes round the
planet at less than 2.5 radius of the planet. it becomes unstable and it goes
round so violently - speedy that it goes 3-4 times round the mars in a day. like
Phobos it goes round in 7 hours - such a satellite can not be a natural
satellite so close to mars. Means this is an ADOPTED member and as it goes round
3-4 times in a Mars day, it looks that it goes WEST to East - though it may be
travelling otherwise. Phobos may will become closer in orbit as it may crash and
disappear on the Mars some time in the future. (Hope Beagle2 to was not
intercepted by PHOBOS if was that in the parallel to the mars and Martian
satellites orbital planes and crossed orbit same time as Phobos? )
2B) Deimos is speedy but it goes once round the mars in a day about 30 hours. so
it is just above the Martian Geostationary orbit. so that also unstable adopted
member. but more stable than Phobos. if that comes close to Mars geostationary
orbit than it may drop as Phobos but at a Long long time. (Hope Beagle2 to was
not intercepted by Deimos if was that in the parallel to the mars and Martian
satellites orbital planes and crossed orbit same time as Deimos? )
2C) if all was Ok and landed on the Mars but speed was unexpectedly high than
was calculated - it might crash landed on the Martian surface with the damage -
as might destroyed , signalling and radio communication damaged or antenna in
wrong direction or clock reset!!! we need to keep trying - as these are most
common possibilities. (see bottom of mail -for errors reasons of crash
landings.)
3) M-1 position of the Mars. - (Beagle was Early)- In this case beagle did
experience the Mars gravitation and may swung back by mars gravitation - in that
case beagle might come back to perihelion near the sun and during that trio it
may pass near earth orbit after six months time? we (EARTH) will be near the
same position as at the time of launch of Beagle2.
Chances of such case are minor (but greater that case 1 M+1 Mars position where
beagle was Late) as Mother ship was in the same direction reached the mars
orbit. and if we can not trace Beagle2 at all we should not forget to trace it
back this time as an near Earth object in Jun. /July 2004.
This time the BEAGAL 2 system was prepared for an IMPERIAL system so no one just
blame any mistakes of Imperial to metric conversion errors just to hide their
own mistakes of the understanding mars gravitation and Wrong calculations. Nor
will blame any one putting wrong programmes or signs - as that's all wrong as
all programmes and modules are practically ground tested before sending. BUT I
thing time will tell them to understand those own mistakes. Let us see what is
happening in 24 hours or so and on 1st of JANUARY NASA probe landing on MARS
with metric system based (system may be any thing - should not make any
difference but is some thing lands on surface at 1.5 times faster speed than
expected it does make more difference - and no other things to be blamed to
cover up just own mistakes - but need to correct them. in the future).
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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:49 PM
Subject: Will there be any Congestion on the mars in Christmas traffic?
Dear space - science friends,
Will there be any Congestion on the mars in Christmas traffic?
There have been many news of traffic congestion on the Mars around the
Christmas. But will there be any such traffic congestion on the Mars? Three Mars
missions are programmed in this year. And news goes on the spread just as
humours of the congestion on the Mars.
News spread and our sites and news media just copy those news and paste as such
as if that is the reality! No one thinks of the real aspects and facts remain
undisclosed.
We are expert in copying. no doubt we are the expert in that field. not only the
news but even whole of the films and so many more. We need to understand and
Forward our own thoughts and evaluate the reality on our way. Thinks of Four
dimensions of the space. - three dimensions of the space and a time factor for
the space travel. any two or three mars crafts of meter of size can not make any
congestion on the Mars Surface at all. and there is fourth factor of the time -
each one is not expected at the same time to make any congestion.
Reality mars area and gravitation. infect there are many reasons to have
multiple mars mission in short interval of time. (same time - area). mars has
nearly same surface LAND area as that of the earth land area(1/3 of total
surface of the earth) and for such a big surface area, three small modules will
be like a LOST on The MARS rather than a congestion on the MARS. We do remember
last failure and crash land and disputes. there was a calculation error of the
gravitational acceleration on the mars and so crash landed (over speed of
landing resulting the damage of the function of the last mission). argue was
that the system failed because of the Metric and imperial system mistakes. So
miss-judgement of the gravitation of mars resulted in accelerated landing
resulted in failure of the mission. Actually that was more complicated than that
was disputed for.
Comparison with Earth, Moon and Sun gravitation with that of Mars. Suns
gravitation is nearly equal in comparison to MOON and Earth as those both are
nearly Equidistance from the Sun. When we think of landing acceleration and
MARS-G for the Mars, we need to see back to SUN as well. As sun is approximately
1.5 (1.5AU) time further from the mars, sun's gravitation is reduced by
1/(1.5x1.5) = 1/2.25 = 0.44 and that make MARS to enhance its own gravitation to
accelerate the landing probe on the MARS surface.
Which was not the problem with Moon landing calculations. and here we do not
have any option. we learned from previous failure and we need to correct this
time.
Chances of Success are 30 to 50 according to the probe BEAGAL designer, so
instead of the single we should plan multiple mission at the appropriate time
(EK SE DO BHALA), else schedule for next mission will be pushed back for our
Mars expedition mission. and there are chances that any one can miss the target
mission (we failed last one and if still if we miss one of three , still there
will be two to communicate or help each other). And there is also a competition
of successful Mars Mission. NASA and ESA all are trying to make first success of
their mission to the Mars. More than two missions are essential for these
reasons and also multiple functions can be carried out instead of the repeated
missions which may waste time.
If any case any one fails, still the two working probes can communicate via
earth station. may help each other to find the cause of any failure. even track
each other. and if it happened so that will be a miracle to find and trace the
faulty probe on SUCH A BIG SURFACE AREA OF THE MARS. and I am sure there will
not be any congestion but that will be like a mission of the "lost on the Mars".
and if it happened that way a BIG Sci fi movie will be on the way for that "lost
on the Mars". and we are always ready to copy it again as we copy on the news.
Trace the other and Communication among the working probes is also not an easy
task. searching for the companion will be a big job for each other. a single
message will take at least 4 minutes (Approximate 73,000,000 km / 3, 00,000 km
/s speed of message= 243 seconds) to reach on the Mars (only one way message
transmission). and to see other partner and if found, send pictures back to
earth is a really tough job, time consuming and lot of patience will require
handling it rather than a congestion issue on the MARS.
Finding probes and Mars Obiter? could be easier if the Mars orbital is left in
the ORBIT around the Mars to make the communication and tracking device
assistance. (as was the case in the Moon landing - Lunar landing Module and
Lunar orbital - Returning Craft)
Science Fiction & films - if any exiting thing happed, that will give rise to
the next big movie of Mars expedition and Sci fi film. but that depend what will
happen. Hope our film industry will follow their steps behind them. Needs step
ahead for such an action, what might happen rather that what has happened, for
the inspiration of the science in our scientific society to enhance the
scientific thinking and encouragement. we should be ready to offer all the
support for such a sci fi activity for our society. Hope some one will come
forward to think about it.
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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:09 PM
Subject: Dear Science and Astronomy friends, Time to Be ready to celebrate
Christmas on Mars.
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:45 PM
3) C) MARS Gravitation field (not the MARS - G )
Distance from the Sun = 227.9 mn Km. MARS G = 0.38 (Earth G =1)
Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass
Sun mass = 3084112 Mars mass.
For that let us take square root of 3084112= 1756, from the Sun 1756 d and 1d
from the MARS = 1757 d,
Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 227.9 mn Km / 1757 = 129709 km =
1d,
If we stay at distance from the Mars at 1 d =129709 km and 1756 d from the Sun
- Sun gravitation will be reduced by 1756 x1756=3083636, mean will be equal to
that of the Mars at that point in the space.
Looking at the Mars data though Mars G is only = 0.38 (Earth G =1) and Mars
Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass, the gravitational field is wider than the expected
(nearly half of that of the Earth, (Mars at 1 d =129709 km - as for the Earth
1d =260173 km).
That is how the Mars has comparative more influence on gravity at that place in
space. And starts dragging objects and accelerating quite earlier than we think
and more time gives more speed of probes to wards the mars surface - and speed
is gained more than we think (speed will be an initial speed + gt) towards the
Mars.
Try to swap the place of the Mars and earth and re calculate all data. And see
what happens to their gravitational field area. Which one shrinks and which one
swells up and how much? What will be the effects on the speeds for descents?
So we need to plan more deceleration on the descents of the probes. Even space
shuttle retrograde propellers could reduce the speed of entry to save from
friction heat in the case of damaged surface.
We should keep in mind that Astronauts travelling to ISS never feel the
acceleration of Earth G but Deceleration of the Earth G. those orbits are well
below the Gravitational field limit of the Earth. E.G. lower orbits from 300 to
800 and geosichronising orbits to 36000 Km. But those all orbits are still well
below the Gravitational field limit of the Earth, Higher the orbit slower the
circular speed of the Body in the orbit. ranging from 90 minutes to a day for a
single circle.
If the body travel from OUTSIDE of Earth gravitation files of Earth towards the
Earth and if Enters the Earth G Field - it feels the acceleration of earth G
depending on the enter angle to the Earth G sphere. and accordingly bends the
path of the travel. May pass in the field or divert the path in the space. .
E.G. satellites orbiting earth at about 36000 Km is about six times above the
earth centre and the G falls to about 1/6 X 1/6 = 1/36 so G =980/36 CM = only
27.22 CM, while body at the height of Earth G boundary at 260 000 km it has G of
less than a 1/2CM and tends to ZERO if the body just slides the Earth G sphere -
means may not enter at all to the earth G filed and NO EARTH G is applicable to
that body.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
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Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 11:17 AM
Subject: Has Begal 2 Crash Landed? let ufs find out TONIGHT !
Dear Science and Astronomy Friends,
Its Very sad to know that Begal 2 is not working properly, but not
unexpectedly. as chances of success are just ranging from 1/3 to 1/2
ONLY. let us know tonight to attempt to revive the Mars BEGAL 2 probe.
This time the BEGAL 2 system was prepared for an IMPERIAL system so
no one just blame any mistakes of Imperial to metric conversion
errors just to hide their own mistakes of the understanding mars
gravitation and Wrong calculations. Nor will blame any one putting
wrong programmes or signs - as that's all wrong as all programmes and
modules are practically ground tested before sending. BUT I thing
time will tell them to understand those own mistakes. Let us see what
is happening in 24 hours or so and on 1st of JANUARY NASA probe
landing on MARS with metric system based (system may be any thing -
should not make any difference but is some thing lands on surface at
1.5 times faster speed than expected it does make more difference -
and no other things to be blamed to cover up just own mistakes - but
need to correct them. in the future).
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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:49 PM
Subject: Will there be any Congestion on the mars in Christmas
traffic?
Dear space - science friends,
Will there be any Congestion on the mars in Christmas traffic?
There have been many news of traffic congestion on the Mars around
the Christmas. But will there be any such traffic congestion on the
Mars? Three Mars missions are programmed in this year. And news goes
on the spread just as humours of the congestion on the Mars.
News spread and our sites and news media just copy those news and
paste as such as if that is the reality! No one thinks of the real
aspects and facts remain undisclosed.
We are expert in copying. no doubt we are the expert in that field.
not only the news but even whole of the films and so many more. We
need to understand and Forward our own thoughts and evaluate the
reality on our way. Thinks of Four dimensions of the space. - three
dimensions of the space and a time factor for the space travel. any
two or three mars crafts of meter of size can not make any congestion
on the Mars Surface at all. and there is fourth factor of the time -
each one is not expected at the same time to make any congestion.
Reality mars area and gravitation. infect there are many reasons to
have multiple mars mission in short interval of time. (same time -
area). mars has nearly same surface LAND area as that of the earth
land area(1/3 of total surface of the earth) and for such a big
surface area, three small modules will be like a LOST on The MARS
rather than a congestion on the MARS. We do remember last failure and
crash land and disputes. there was a calculation error of the
gravitational acceleration on the mars and so crash landed (over
speed of landing resulting the damage of the function of the last
mission). argue was that the system failed because of the Metric and
imperial system mistakes. So miss-judgement of the gravitation of
mars resulted in accelerated landing resulted in failure of the
mission. Actually that was more complicated than that was disputed
for.
Comparison with Earth, Moon and Sun gravitation with that of Mars.
Suns gravitation is nearly equal in comparison to MOON and Earth as
those both are nearly Equidistance from the Sun. When we think of
landing acceleration and MARS-g for the Mars, we need to see back to
SUN as well. As sun is approximately 1.5 (1.5AU) time further from
the mars, sun's gravitation is reduced by 1/(1.5x1.5) = 1/2.25 = 0.44
and that make MARS to enhance its own gravitation to accelerate the
landing probe on the MARS surface.
Which was not the problem with Moon landing calculations. and here we
do not have any option. we learned from previous failure and we need
to correct this time.
Chances of Success are 50 -50 according to the probe BEEGAL2
designer, so instead of the single we should plan multiple mission at
the appropriate time (EK SE DO BHALA), else schedule for next mission
will be pushed back for our Mars expedition mission. and there are
chances that any one can miss the target mission (we failed last one
and if still if we miss one of three , still there will be two to
communicate or help each other). And there is also a competition of
successful Mars Mission. NASA and ESA all are trying to make first
success of their mission to the Mars. More than two missions are
essential for these reasons and also multiple functions can be
carried out instead of the repeated missions which may waste time.
If any case any one fails, still the two working probes can
communicate via earth station. may help each other to find the cause
of any failure. even track each other. and if it happened so that
will be a miracle to find and trace the faulty probe on SUCH A BIG
SURFACE AREA OF THE MARS. and I am sure there will not be any
congestion but that will be like a mission of the "lost on the Mars".
and if it happened that way a BIG Sci fi movie will be on the way for
that "lost on the Mars". and we are always ready to copy it again as
we copy on the news.
Trace the other and Communication among the working probes is also
not an easy task. searching for the companion will be a big job for
each other. a single message will take at least 4 minutes
(Approximate 73,000,000 km / 3, 00,000 km /s speed of message= 243
seconds) to reach on the Mars (only one way message transmission).
and to see other partner and if found, send pictures back to earth is
a really tough job, time consuming and lot of patience will require
handling it rather than a congestion issue on the MARS.
Finding probes and Mars Obiter? could be easier if the Mars orbital
is left in the ORBIT around the Mars to make the communication and
tracking device assistance. (as was the case in the Moon landing -
Lunar landing Module and Lunar orbital - Returning Craft)
Science Fiction & films - if any exiting thing happed, that will give
rise to the next big movie of Mars expedition and Sci fi film. but
that depend what will happen. Hope our film industry will follow
their steps behind them. Needs step ahead for such an action, what
might happen rather that what has happened, for the inspiration of
the science in our scientific society to enhance the scientific
thinking and encouragement. we should be ready to offer all the
support for such a sci fi activity for our society. Hope some one
will come forward to think about it.
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubofindia/message/50
also Posted at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astronomyclubindia/message/1552
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:09 PM
Subject: Dear Science and Astronomy friends, Time to Be ready to
celebrate Christmas on Mars.
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:45 PM
3) C) MARS Gravitation field (not the MARS - G )
Distance from the Sun = 227.9 mn Km. MARS G = 0.38 (Earth G
=1) Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass
Sun mass = 3084112 Mars mass.
For that let us take square root of 3084112= 1756, from the Sun 1756
d and 1d from the MARS = 1757 d,
Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 227.9 mn Km / 1757 =
129709 km = 1d,
If we stay at distance from the Mars at 1 d =129709 km and 1756 d
from the Sun – Sun gravitation will be reduced by 1756 x1756=3083636,
mean will be equal to that of the Mars at that point in the space.
Looking at the Mars data though Mars G is only = 0.38 (Earth G =1)
and Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass, the gravitational field is wider
than the expected (nearly half of that of the Earth, (Mars at 1 d
=129709 km – as for the Earth 1d =260173 km).
That is how the Mars has comparative more influence on gravity at
that place in space. And starts dragging objects and accelerating
quite earlier than we think and more time gives more speed of probes
to wards the mars surface – and speed is gained more than we think
(speed = gt) towards the Mars.
Try to swap the place of the Mars and earth and re calculate all
data. And see what happens to their gravitational field area. Which
one shrinks and which one swells up and how much? What will be the
effects on the speeds for descents?
So we need to plan more deceleration on the descents of the probes.
Even space shuttle retrograde propellers could reduce the speed of
entry to save from friction heat in the case of damaged surface.
We should keep in mind that Astronauts travelling to ISS never feel
the acceleration of Earth G but Deceleration of the Earth G. those
orbits are well below the Gravitational field limit of the Earth.
E.G. lower orbits from 300 to 800 and geosichronising orbits to 36000
Km. But those all orbits are still well below the Gravitational field
limit of the Earth, Higher the orbit slower the circular speed of the
Body in the orbit. ranging from 90 minutes to a day for a single
circle.
If the body travel from OUTSIDE of Earth gravitation files of Earth
towards the Earth and if Enters the Earth G Field - it feels the
acceleration of earth G depending on the enter angle to the Earth G
sphere. and accordingly bends the path of the travel. May pass in the
field or divert the path in the space. .
E.G. satellites orbiting earth at about 36000 Km is about six times
above the earth centre and the G falls to about 1/6 X 1/6 = 1/36 so G
=980/36 CM = only 27.22 CM, while body at the height of Earth G
boundary at 260 000 km it has G of less than a 1/2CM and tends to
ZERO if the body just slides the Earth G sphere - means may not enter
at all to the earth G filed and NO EARTH G is applicable to that
body.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
kutchscience@..., kutchscience@...,
Just click on web page: http://uk.geocities.com/wildlifeofkutch/
NEW:
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Do visit our ABOVE Clubs/Groups of Science club of India, Science
Group of India & kutch science foundation and ALSO JOIN US.
Dear Science and Astronomy Friends,
Its Very sad to know that Begal 2 is not working properly, but not unexpectedly.
as chances of success are just ranging from 1/3 to 1/2 ONLY. let us know tonight
to attempt to revive the Mars BEGAL 2 probe.
This time the BEGAL 2 system was prepared for an IMPERIAL system so no one just
blame any mistakes of Imperial to metric conversion errors just to hide their
own mistakes of the understanding mars gravitation and Wrong calculations. Nor
will blame any one putting wrong programmes or signs - as that's all wrong as
all programmes and modules are practically ground tested before sending. BUT I
thing time will tell them to understand those own mistakes. Let us see what is
happening in 24 hours or so and on 1st of JANUARY NASA probe landing on MARS
with metric system based (system may be any thing - should not make any
difference but is some thing lands on surface at 1.5 times faster speed than
expected it does make more difference - and no other things to be blamed to
cover up just own mistakes - but need to correct them. in the future).
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubofindia/message/31
also posted at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astronomyclubindia/message/999
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:49 PM
Subject: Will there be any Congestion on the mars in Christmas traffic?
Dear space - science friends,
Will there be any Congestion on the mars in Christmas traffic?
There have been many news of traffic congestion on the Mars around the
Christmas. But will there be any such traffic congestion on the Mars? Three Mars
missions are programmed in this year. And news goes on the spread just as
humours of the congestion on the Mars.
News spread and our sites and news media just copy those news and paste as such
as if that is the reality! No one thinks of the real aspects and facts remain
undisclosed.
We are expert in copying. no doubt we are the expert in that field. not only the
news but even whole of the films and so many more. We need to understand and
Forward our own thoughts and evaluate the reality on our way. Thinks of Four
dimensions of the space. - three dimensions of the space and a time factor for
the space travel. any two or three mars crafts of meter of size can not make any
congestion on the Mars Surface at all. and there is fourth factor of the time -
each one is not expected at the same time to make any congestion.
Reality mars area and gravitation. infect there are many reasons to have
multiple mars mission in short interval of time. (same time - area). mars has
nearly same surface LAND area as that of the earth land area(1/3 of total
surface of the earth) and for such a big surface area, three small modules will
be like a LOST on The MARS rather than a congestion on the MARS. We do remember
last failure and crash land and disputes. there was a calculation error of the
gravitational acceleration on the mars and so crash landed (over speed of
landing resulting the damage of the function of the last mission). argue was
that the system failed because of the Metric and imperial system mistakes. So
miss-judgement of the gravitation of mars resulted in accelerated landing
resulted in failure of the mission. Actually that was more complicated than that
was disputed for.
Comparison with Earth, Moon and Sun gravitation with that of Mars. Suns
gravitation is nearly equal in comparison to MOON and Earth as those both are
nearly Equidistance from the Sun. When we think of landing acceleration and
MARS-g for the Mars, we need to see back to SUN as well. As sun is approximately
1.5 (1.5AU) time further from the mars, sun's gravitation is reduced by
1/(1.5x1.5) = 1/2.25 = 0.44 and that make MARS to enhance its own gravitation to
accelerate the landing probe on the MARS surface.
Which was not the problem with Moon landing calculations. and here we do not
have any option. we learned from previous failure and we need to correct this
time.
Chances of Success are 50 -50 according to the probe BEEGAL2 designer, so
instead of the single we should plan multiple mission at the appropriate time
(EK SE DO BHALA), else schedule for next mission will be pushed back for our
Mars expedition mission. and there are chances that any one can miss the target
mission (we failed last one and if still if we miss one of three , still there
will be two to communicate or help each other). And there is also a competition
of successful Mars Mission. NASA and ESA all are trying to make first success of
their mission to the Mars. More than two missions are essential for these
reasons and also multiple functions can be carried out instead of the repeated
missions which may waste time.
If any case any one fails, still the two working probes can communicate via
earth station. may help each other to find the cause of any failure. even track
each other. and if it happened so that will be a miracle to find and trace the
faulty probe on SUCH A BIG SURFACE AREA OF THE MARS. and I am sure there will
not be any congestion but that will be like a mission of the "lost on the Mars".
and if it happened that way a BIG Sci fi movie will be on the way for that "lost
on the Mars". and we are always ready to copy it again as we copy on the news.
Trace the other and Communication among the working probes is also not an easy
task. searching for the companion will be a big job for each other. a single
message will take at least 4 minutes (Approximate 73,000,000 km / 3, 00,000 km
/s speed of message= 243 seconds) to reach on the Mars (only one way message
transmission). and to see other partner and if found, send pictures back to
earth is a really tough job, time consuming and lot of patience will require
handling it rather than a congestion issue on the MARS.
Finding probes and Mars Obiter? could be easier if the Mars orbital is left in
the ORBIT around the Mars to make the communication and tracking device
assistance. (as was the case in the Moon landing - Lunar landing Module and
Lunar orbital - Returning Craft)
Science Fiction & films - if any exiting thing happed, that will give rise to
the next big movie of Mars expedition and Sci fi film. but that depend what will
happen. Hope our film industry will follow their steps behind them. Needs step
ahead for such an action, what might happen rather that what has happened, for
the inspiration of the science in our scientific society to enhance the
scientific thinking and encouragement. we should be ready to offer all the
support for such a sci fi activity for our society. Hope some one will come
forward to think about it.
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/scienceclubofindia/message/50
also Posted at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astronomyclubindia/message/1552
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:09 PM
Subject: Dear Science and Astronomy friends, Time to Be ready to celebrate
Christmas on Mars.
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:45 PM
3) C) MARS Gravitation field (not the MARS - G )
Distance from the Sun = 227.9 mn Km. MARS G = 0.38 (Earth G =1)
Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass
Sun mass = 3084112 Mars mass.
For that let us take square root of 3084112= 1756, from the Sun 1756 d and 1d
from the MARS = 1757 d,
Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 227.9 mn Km / 1757 = 129709 km =
1d,
If we stay at distance from the Mars at 1 d =129709 km and 1756 d from the Sun
- Sun gravitation will be reduced by 1756 x1756=3083636, mean will be equal to
that of the Mars at that point in the space.
Looking at the Mars data though Mars G is only = 0.38 (Earth G =1) and Mars
Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass, the gravitational field is wider than the expected
(nearly half of that of the Earth, (Mars at 1 d =129709 km - as for the Earth
1d =260173 km).
That is how the Mars has comparative more influence on gravity at that place in
space. And starts dragging objects and accelerating quite earlier than we think
and more time gives more speed of probes to wards the mars surface - and speed
is gained more than we think (speed = gt) towards the Mars.
Try to swap the place of the Mars and earth and re calculate all data. And see
what happens to their gravitational field area. Which one shrinks and which one
swells up and how much? What will be the effects on the speeds for descents?
So we need to plan more deceleration on the descents of the probes. Even space
shuttle retrograde propellers could reduce the speed of entry to save from
friction heat in the case of damaged surface.
We should keep in mind that Astronauts travelling to ISS never feel the
acceleration of Earth G but Deceleration of the Earth G. those orbits are well
below the Gravitational field limit of the Earth. E.G. lower orbits from 300 to
800 and geosichronising orbits to 36000 Km. But those all orbits are still well
below the Gravitational field limit of the Earth, Higher the orbit slower the
circular speed of the Body in the orbit. ranging from 90 minutes to a day for a
single circle.
If the body travel from OUTSIDE of Earth gravitation files of Earth towards the
Earth and if Enters the Earth G Field - it feels the acceleration of earth G
depending on the enter angle to the Earth G sphere. and accordingly bends the
path of the travel. May pass in the field or divert the path in the space. .
E.G. satellites orbiting earth at about 36000 Km is about six times above the
earth centre and the G falls to about 1/6 X 1/6 = 1/36 so G =980/36 CM = only
27.22 CM, while body at the height of Earth G boundary at 260 000 km it has G of
less than a 1/2CM and tends to ZERO if the body just slides the Earth G sphere -
means may not enter at all to the earth G filed and NO EARTH G is applicable to
that body.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
kutchscience@..., kutchscience@...,
Just click on web page: http://uk.geocities.com/wildlifeofkutch/
NEW:
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From: KutchScience
"MARS LANDING BEGAL2:1" ( Welcome to My Room ) Dr. BHUDIA: we will come on Live
on this "MARS LANDING BEGAL2:1" 25DEC2003 marry Christmas
DR. BHUDIA says: "VENUS TRANSIT JUNE2004:1" ( Welcome to My Room ) Dr. BHUDIA:
we will come on Live on this "VENUS TRANSIT JUNE2004:1" on 8 th June 2004
Dear space - science friends,
3) C) MARS Gravitation field (not the MARS - G )
Distance from the Sun = 227.9 mn Km. MARS G = 0.38 (Earth G =1)
Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass
Sun mass = 3084112 Mars mass.
For that let us take square root of 3084112= 1756, from the Sun 1756 d and 1d
from the MARS = 1757 d,
Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 227.9 mn Km / 1757 = 129709 km =
1d,
If we stay at distance from the Mars at 1 d =129709 km and 1756 d from the Sun
- Sun gravitation will be reduced by 1756 x1756=3083636, mean will be equal to
that of the Mars at that point in the space.
Looking at the Mars data though Mars G is only = 0.38 (Earth G =1) and Mars
Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass, the gravitational field is wider than the expected
(nearly half of that of the Earth, (Mars at 1 d =129709 km - as for the Earth
1d =260173 km).
That is how the Mars has comparative more influence on gravity at that place in
space. And starts dragging objects and accelerating quite earlier than we think
and more time gives more speed of probes to wards the mars surface - and speed
is gained more than we think (speed = gt) towards the Mars.
Try to swap the place of the Mars and earth and re calculate all data. And see
what happens to their gravitational field area. Which one shrinks and which one
swells up and how much? What will be the effects on the speeds for descents?
So we need to plan more deceleration on the descents of the probes. Even space
shuttle retrograde propellers could reduce the speed of entry to save from
friction heat in the case of damaged surface.
We should keep in mind that Astronauts travelling to ISS never feel the
acceleration of Earth G but Deceleration of the Earth G. those orbits are well
below the Gravitational field limit of the Earth. E.G. lower orbits from 300 to
800 and geosichronising orbits to 36000 Km. But those all orbits are still well
below the Gravitational field limit of the Earth, Higher the orbit slower the
circular speed of the Body in the orbit. ranging from 90 minutes to a day for a
single circle.
If the body travel from OUTSIDE of Earth gravitation files of Earth towards the
Earth and if Enters the Earth G Field - it feels the acceleration of earth G
depending on the enter angle to the Earth G sphere. and accordingly bends the
path of the travel. May pass in the field or divert the path in the space. .
E.G. satellites orbiting earth at about 36000 Km is about six times above the
earth centre and the G falls to about 1/6 X 1/6 = 1/36 so G =980/36 CM = only
27.22 CM, while body at the height of Earth G boundary at 260 000 km it has G of
less than a 1/2CM and tends to ZERO if the body just slides the Earth G sphere -
means may not enter at all to the earth G filed and NO EARTH G is applicable to
that body.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder :"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
kutchscience@..., kutchscience@...,
Just click on web page: http://uk.geocities.com/wildlifeofkutch/
NEW:
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Dear Science and Astronomy friends,
Now a days two bright planets are seen in droad day lights.
1) Information about Jupiter for 21 Dec 2003 07:00:18 (Magnitude: -2.1)
(Julian day number 2452994.56271)
Local Information
Apparent topocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 11h 19m 52.41s
Declination: +5° 34' 39.4"
Constellation: Leo
Altitude: 70° 26' 34"
Azimuth: 228° 50' 2"
Rise: 23h 48m 54s
Transit: 6h 1m 46s
Set: 12h 10m 53s
Star atlas chart numbers:
Herald-Bobroff Astroatlas, Chart C-48
Millennium Star Atlas, Charts 753-754 (Vol II)
Sky Atlas 2000.0, Chart 13
Uranometria 2000 Chart 191, Vol 1
Geocentric Information
Apparent geocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 11h 19m 52.441s
Declination: +5° 34' 39.77"
True distance: 5.1408734 AU (769 million km)
Horizontal parallax: 1.71"
Heliocentric Information
Ecliptic coordinates for the epoch of date:
Ecliptic longitude: 158° 16' 10.0"
Ecliptic latitude: +1° 6' 8.2"
Radius vector: 5.4018270 AU (808 million km)
Physical Information
Magnitude: -2.1
Phase: 0.992
Phase angle: 10.3°
Elongation: 100.2°
Equatorial diameter: 38.30"
Polar diameter: 35.81"
Light time: 0h 42m 45.3s
Central meridian longitudes:
System I: 23.0°
System II: 99.4°
Position angle of the north pole: 25.2°
Mass: 1.8988e+027 kg (317.8 x Earth)
Mean equatorial radius: 71492 km (11.21 x Earth)
Maximum angular diameter: 46.9"
Minimum geocentric distance: 4.203 AU
Geometric flattening: 0.064874
Sidereal rotation period (System III): 0d 9h 55m 30s
Mean density: 1.33 g/cm^3
Geometric albedo: 0.52
Satellite Information
Name X Y State
Io (I) 2.5614 -0.1418
Europa (II) -8.7126 0.1343
Ganymede (III) 15.0015 0.0224
Callisto (IV) 16.5772 0.4898
2) Information about Venus for 21 Dec 2003 18:00:18 (Magnitude: -4.0)
(Julian day number 2452995.02104)
Local Information
Apparent topocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 20h 11m 39.97s
Declination: -21° 51' 21.3"
Constellation: Capricornus
Altitude: 28° 27' 23"
Azimuth: 230° 43' 3"
Rise: 9h 20m 19s
Transit: 14h 51m 26s
Set: 20h 22m 45s
Star atlas chart numbers:
Herald-Bobroff Astroatlas, Chart C-60
Millennium Star Atlas, Charts 1385-1386 (Vol III)
Sky Atlas 2000.0, Chart 23
Uranometria 2000 Chart 343, Vol 2
Geocentric Information
Apparent geocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 20h 11m 40.292s
Declination: -21° 51' 17.86"
True distance: 1.3617730 AU (204 million km)
Horizontal parallax: 6.46"
Heliocentric Information
Ecliptic coordinates for the epoch of date:
Ecliptic longitude: 344° 43' 52.1"
Ecliptic latitude: -3° 23' 33.8"
Radius vector: 0.7273937 AU (109 million km)
Physical Information Magnitude: -4.0
Phase: 0.857
Phase angle: 44.4°
Elongation: 31.1°
Diameter: 12.25"
Light time: 0h 11m 19.6s
Position angle of the bright limb: 260.5°
Mass: 4.8690e+024 kg (0.815 x Earth)
Mean equatorial radius: 6051.8 km (0.9488 x Earth)
Maximum angular diameter: 60.2"
Minimum geocentric distance: 0.277 AU
Geometric flattening: 0
Sidereal rotation period: 243d 0h 26m 56s (retrograde)
Mean density: 5.24 g/cm^3
Geometric albedo: 0.65
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Subject: "MARS LANDING BEGAL2" & "VENUS TRANSIT JUNE2004"
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Dear space - science friends,
Gravitational fields can shrink or swell - with the influence of the gravitation
of other powerful objects - body in the space.
Let us start with some simple examples to understand the gravitational fields
and shrinking and bulging of the fields.
1) A) Sun and Jupiter and its gravitational comparisons.
Sun and Jupiter has nearly the same specific gravity of the matter of the Sun
and Jupiter - so we choose them for easy comparison.
Sun has approximate 1000 Jupiter mass. So Sun can generate 1000 times
gravitation than that of Jupiter. But gravitation is also inversely proportional
to the distance.
So if go square root of 1000 = 31.62 times far from Sun - suns gravitation force
is reduced to 1/1000 at that point in the space.
Now if we remain 1d from Jupiter and 31.62d from Sun and find that place the
gravitations of both will be neutral for each other. Let us find that place. Let
us divide the Distance of Sun and a Jupiter by 31.62+1= 32.62d, So 778, 000, 000
/ 32.62 = 2,38, 000 00 Km, so d = 23800000 km is the distance where Jupiter
satellites (last satellite - 23700000 Km SINOPE ) can go round the Jupiter. Any
thing beyond that will be dragged by sun gravitation. No satellite can exist
beyond this limit for Jupiter at that place. (If place is swapped for Saturn
than Jupiter gravitational field will swell up nearly 4 times)
1) B) Now let us find how big the gravitational field of the Saturn is!
Sun has approximate 3473 Saturn mass. So Sun can generate 3473 times gravitation
than that of Saturn. But gravitation is also inversely proportional to the
distance.
So if go square root of 3473 = 58.93, times far from Sun - suns gravitation
force is reduced to 1/3473 at that point in the space.
Now if we remain at 1d from Saturn and 58.93 d from Sun and find that place, the
gravitations of both will be neutralised for each other. Let us find that place.
Let us divide the Distance of Sun and a Jupiter by 58.93+1= 59.93d, So 1427,
000, 000 / 59.93 = 2,38, 000 00 Km, so d = 23800000 km is the distance where
Saturn satellites can go round the Jupiter. (But the last satellite -129,52,
000 Km , so many more need to find beyond these satellites).
Surprisingly! Looking at the Data below and both gravitational fields above of
Jupiter and Saturn Both have the nearly same area though the actual gravitation
of Saturn is less than the that of the Earth G and Mass of Saturn is much less
than that of Jupiter. The reason as the distance of Saturn from the Sun is
nearly twice than that of Jupiter from the Sun, so the gravitation of sun
reduces near Saturn about ¼ of that is at the place near the Jupiter.
2) A) Comparison of the Jupiter and Saturn in relation to their
gravitational fields and power:
Jupiter Distance from the Sun= 778.3 mn Km
Saturn Distance from the Sun= 1427 mn Km
Jupiter Mass = 318 Earth Mass
Saturn Mass = 95 Earth Mass
Jupiter Gravitation = ??? Find Out (Earth G =1)
Saturn Gravitation = ?? FindOut (Earth G =1)
Q 1:- As Saturn has the Mass of ONLY 0.3 Mass of Jupiter - does Saturn has
gravitational field of 0.3 of that of Jupiter? No because Last satellite of
Saturn is furtherer than that Distance. Nearly at half distance 129,52,000Km
Q 2:- G of Saturn is less that that of the Earth G but why satellites of Saturn
are beyond that limits? Because Saturn's bigger Gravitational field (nearly
equal to that of Jupiter) extending big as that of Jupiter-23800000 km.
JUPITER: As Jupiter Mass is 318 times that of Earth and Ratio of the radius of
the Jupiter and Earth is = 71492/6378= 11.209.
Jupiter G is proportional to Mass and inverse of square of radius ratio -
distance will be as follows.
11.21 x 11.21= 125.64
318/125.64 = 2.53 Earth G - SO Jupiter Gravitation is about approximates to 2.5
times that of our Earth.
Similarly find out Saturn gravitation will be about 0.93 G Earth - nearly to
Earth.
3) *) Similarly Earth and Moon Gravitational calculation can be done by
school Maths, and if you can, see those gravitational fields of the Earth and
the Moon are separated with a gape of dominant sun gravitation in between as in
the case of interplanetary gravitation of the sun between to planetary orbits.
When ever some one forgets to consider such minute calculations - of the
shrinking - and widening of gravitational fields because of other power of
gravitation or EM G , it fails the mission, it can be any one even NASA.
3) A)
Let Us check that with simple maths checks for the Earth & our Moon. And next
door neighbour Mars.
Earth Distance from the Sun= 149.6 mn Km Mars
Distance from the Sun= 175.6 mn Km
Eath Mass = 1 Mars
Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass
Earth Gravitation = 1 = 9.8/ s.s (Earth G =1) Mars
Gravitation = .38 (Earth G =1)
EARTH Gravitation field (not the Earth G )
Mass of the Sun is about 330 000 times that of the Earth so gravitation is
proportional to Mass = 330 000 time that of the Earth.
So let us go far from Sun and close to the Earth at distance "d" again. And find
that mathematical d for our Earth and Moon.
For that let us take square root of 330 000 = 574 d from the Sun and 1d from the
earth = 575 d,
Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 149.6 mn Km / 575 = 260173 km = 1d,
If we stay at distance from the earth at 1 d =260173km and 574 d from the sun -
sun gravitation will be reduced by 574x574= 330 000, mean will be equal to that
of the earth at that point in the space.
Here any thing passing inside 260173 km from the earth will be diverted towards
the Earth but rest will go towards the Sun.
3) B) Similarly MOON Gravitation field (not the Moon G )
Mass of the Sun is about 27083333 times that of the MOON so gravitation is
proportional to Mass = 27083333time that of the Moon.
So let us go far from Sun and close to the Moon at distance "d" again. And find
that mathematical d for our MOON.
For that let us take square root of 27083333= 5204 d from the Sun and 1d from
the Moon = 5205 d,
Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 149.6 mn Km / 5205 = 28741 km = 1d,
If we stay at distance from the Moon at 1 d =28741km and 5204 d from the sun -
Sun gravitation will be reduced by 5204x5204=27081616, mean will be nearly equal
to that of the Moon at that point in the space.
But that leaves an Empty gape e.g. Moon distance from the Earth = 384400 Km is
much larger than the sum of two fields of the gravitation of Earth and the Moon
(Moon at 1d =28741km + Earth at 1d =260173km = 288914 Km).
Difference id Gape between two gravitational field = Moon distance from the
Earth = 384400 Km - 288914 Km = 95486 Km which is without the gravitation of
Earth or Moon, so is under the influence of sun gravitation as said before. So
the two gravitational fields of Earth and the Moon are not bound to each other
but each one separately bound to the gravitation of Sun.
If so what will happen to the meteor or asteroid that pass in between (without
entering any one of gravitational fields of the Earth or Moon) the gravitation
of the Earth and that of our Moon. That will be dragged by the sun gravitation
to wards the Sun. And if so the question rises if the moon is not bound to the
earth gravitation and under the influence of the sun gravitation then, should
it be considered as satellite of earth or the twin planetary system in the earth
orbit?
IS MOON is the planet as out tradition has accepted may be that true - proven by
maths and also Origin of Moon fro the earth is disputed and nor the chemical
composition is not same as that of the Earth!
Soon new theories will be on the way to as new theories are already on the way
for the Universe - Multiverse-parallel uni-multiverse, string theory of the
strings of the energy created the UNI-Multiverse. As in VEDA the SHAKTI created
the Brahmands
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3) C) MARS Gravitation field (not the MARS - G )
Distance from the Sun = 227.9 mn Km. MARS G = 0.38 (Earth G =1)
Mars Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass
Sun mass = 3084112 Mars mass.
For that let us take square root of 3084112= 1756, from the Sun 1756 d and 1d
from the MARS = 1757 d,
Now let us divide the Distance from the Sun 227.9 mn Km / 1757 = 129709 km =
1d,
If we stay at distance from the Mars at 1 d =129709 km and 1756 d from the sun
- sun gravitation will be reduced by 1756 x1756=3083636, mean will be equal to
that of the Mars at that point in the space.
Looking at the Mars data though Mars G is only = 0.38 (Earth G =1) and Mars
Mass = 0.107 Earth Mass, the gravitational field is wider than the expected
(nearly half of that of the Earth, (Mars at 1 d =129709 km - as for the Earth
1d =260173 km).
That is how the Mars has comparative more influence on gravity at that place in
space. And starts dragging objects and accelerating quite earlier than we think
and more time gives more speed of probes to wards the mars surface - and speed
is gained more than we think (speed = gt) towards the Mars.
Try to swap the place of the Mars and earth and re calculate all data. And see
what happens to their gravitational field area. Which one shrinks and which one
swells up and how much? What will be the effects on the speeds for descents?
So we need to plan more deceleration on the descents of the probes. Even space
shuttle retrograde propellers could reduce the speed of entry to save from
friction heat in the case of damaged surface.
More advanced and formulated astronomical science study (Matter in the Universe)
are available at
Planetary and Space Sciences Research Institute
The Open University, http://www.openuniversity.com
Milton Keynes
MK7 6AA, UK,
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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: "MARS LANDING BEGAL2" & "VENUS TRANSIT JUNE2004 &"
Dear Science and Astronomy Friends, Subject: Re: Time to Be ready to
celebrate Christmas on Mars.
http://mars.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMA2YTZJND_0.htmlhttp://www.cord.edu/dept/physics/p128/lecture_27.html#topic3 Gravitational
Fields
The phrase "gravitational field" is often used in discussing gravity but what
exactly does it mean? As we have seen we can calculate an acceleration due to
gravity at any point near or above the surface of a planet. But we can do more.
We can calculate the quantity g at every point in space where g is defined as
gravitational force on a mass placed at that point divided by the mass. This g
does not depend on the mass placed at the point. It is a vector that is defined
for every point in space. This more broadly defined g is called the
gravitational field strength. The force on any mass placed at a given point is
just F = mg where g is the gravitational field strength at that point. You might
imagine the universe filled with little arrows. Each arrow points in the
direction of g at that point and has a length corresponding to the magnitude of
g at that point. This giant collection of arrows is the gravitational field.
"MARS LANDING BEGAL2" & "VENUS TRANSIT JUNE2004"
"MARS LANDING BEGAL2:1" ( Welcome to My Room ) Dr. BHUDIA: we will come on Live
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WE Need to understand the gravitation – Force and the field of the force in
distance from the planetary body. In general gravitation is described as a
gravitational force at the surface of the planetary body. e. g. Gravitational
force of earth is 9.8m/s.s – at the surface of the Earth.
Gravitational fields can shrink or swell – with the influence of the gravitation
of other powerful objects – body in the space.
Let us start with some simple examples to understand the gravitational fields
and shrinking and bulging of the fields.
1) A)
Sun and Jupiter and its gravitational comparisons.
Sun and Jupiter has nearly the same specific gravity of the matter of the Sun
and Jupiter – so we choose them for easy comparison.
Sun has approximate 1000 Jupiter mass. So Sun can generate 1000 times
gravitation than that of Jupiter. But gravitation is also inversely proportional
to the distance.
So if go square root of 1000 = 31.62 times far from Sun – suns gravitation force
is reduced to 1/1000 at that point in the space.
Now if we remain 1d from Jupiter and 31.62d from Sun and find that place the
gravitations of both will be neutral for each other. Let us find that place. Let
us divide the Distance of Sun and a Jupiter by 31.62+1= 32.62d, So 778, 000, 000
/ 32.62 = 2,38, 000 00 Km, so d = 23800000 km is the distance where Jupiter
satellites (last satellite – 23700000 Km SINOPE ) can go round the Jupiter. Any
thing beyond that will be dragged by sun gravitation. No satellite can exist
beyond this limit for Jupiter at that place. (If place is swapped for Saturn
than Jupiter gravitational field will swell up nearly 4 times)
1) B)
Now let us find how big the gravitational field of the Saturn is! Try not to
depend on others and nets information - all net information is not correct nor
reliable. but try to learn yourself and evaluate by calculating your self - that
is first step to learn.
Sun has approximate 3473 Saturn mass. So Sun can generate 3473 times gravitation
than that of Saturn. But gravitation is also inversely proportional to the
distance. THIS WILL be on next time after your calculation figures ( NO just
copy ditto of data ) are arrived for Saturn.
ALSO what will happen to the meteor or asteroid that pass in between (without
entering any one of gravitational fields of the Earth or Moon) the gravitation
of the Earth and that of our Moon. That will be dragged by the sun gravitation
to wards the Sun. And if so the question rises if the moon is not bound to the
earth gravitation and under the influence of the sun gravitation then, should
it be considered as satellite of earth or the twin planetary system in the earth
orbit?
IS MOON is the planet as out tradition has accepted may be that true – proven by
maths and also Origin of Moon fro the earth is disputed and nor the chemical
composition is not same as that of the Earth!
Soon new theories will be on the way to as new theories are already on the way
for the Universe – Multiverse–parallel uni-multiverse, string theory of the
strings of the energy created the UNI-Multiverse. As in VEDA the SHAKTI created
the Brahmands
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More advanced and formulated astronomical science study (Matter in the Universe)
are available at
Planetary and Space Sciences Research Institute
The Open University, http://www.openuniversity.com
Milton Keynes
MK7 6AA, UK,
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Dear Science and Astronomy friends,
Time to Be ready to celebrate Christmas on Mars.
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From: KutchScience
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:45 PM
Reality mars area and gravitation. infect there are many reasons to have
multiple mars mission in short interval of time. (same time - area). mars has
nearly same surface LAND area as that of the earth land area(1/3 of total
surface of the earth) and for such a big surface area, three small modules will
be like a LOST on The MARS rather than a congestion on the MARS. We do remember
last failure and crash land and disputes. there was a calculation error of the
gravitational acceleration on the mars and so crash landed (over speed of
landing resulting the damage of the function of the last mission). argue was
that the system failed because of the Metric and imperial system mistakes. So
miss-judgement of the gravitation of mars resulted in accelerated landing
resulted in failure of the mission. Actually that was more complicated than that
was disputed for.
Comparison with Earth, Moon and Sun gravitation with that of Mars. Suns
gravitation is nearly equal in comparison to MOON and Earth as those both are
nearly Equidistance from the Sun. When we think of landing acceleration and
MARS-g for the Mars, we need to see back to SUN as well. As sun is approximately
1.5 (1.5AU) time further from the mars, sun's gravitation is reduced by
1/(1.5x1.5) = 1/2.25 = 0.44 and that make MARS to enhance its own gravitation to
accelerate the landing probe on the MARS surface.
Which was not the problem with Moon landing calculations. and here we do not
have any option. we learned from previous failure and we need to correct this
time.
Chances of Success are 50 -50 according to the probe BEEGAL2 designer, so
instead of the single we should plan multiple mission at the appropriate time
(EK SE DO BHALA), else schedule for next mission will be pushed back for our
Mars expedition mission. and there are chances that any one can miss the target
mission (we failed last one and if still if we miss one of three , still there
will be two to communicate or help each other). And there is also a competition
of successful Mars Mission. NASA and ESA all are trying to make first success of
their mission to the Mars. More than two missions are essential for these
reasons and also multiple functions can be carried out instead of the repeated
missions which may waste time.
If any case any one fails, still the two working probes can communicate via
earth station. may help each other to find the cause of any failure. even track
each other. and if it happened so that will be a miracle to find and trace the
faulty probe on SUCH A BIG SURFACE AREA OF THE MARS. and I am sure there will
not be any congestion but that will be like a mission of the "lost on the Mars".
and if it happened that way a BIG Sci fi movie will be on the way for that "lost
on the Mars". and we are always ready to copy it again as we copy on the news.
Trace the other and Communication among the working probes is also not an easy
task. searching for the companion will be a big job for each other. a single
message will take at least 4 minutes (Approximate 73,000,000 km / 3, 00,000 km
/s speed of message= 243 seconds) to reach on the Mars (only one way message
transmission). and to see other partner and if found, send pictures back to
earth is a really tough job, time consuming and lot of patience will require
handling it rather than a congestion issue on the MARS.
Finding probes and Mars Obiter? could be easier if the Mars orbital is left in
the ORBIT around the Mars to make the communication and tracking device
assistance. (as was the case in the Moon landing - Lunar landing Module and
Lunar orbital - Returning Craft)
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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:55 AM
On 8th June 2004 the planet Venus will cross the Sun's disk as seen
from Earth. It will cut into the solar disk at about 5:20am in the
morning and will pass off the other limb at about 11:23am. The last
occasion on which this happened was 1882, over a century ago.
Looking at the Sun at any time is potentially dangerous and can
result in serious eye damage or blindness. The safest way to view the
Sun is indirectly using a projection method.
VENUS Radius vector: 0.7261900 AU (109 million km) and SUN Radius
vector: 1.0150791 AU (152 million km)
ON 8th June Venus is at 0. : 0.7262 AU from Sun so 0.2889 AU from
Earth (1.0150791-0. 0.7262). And VENUS Diameter is 12012KM which
covers area of Sun about 12012 x 1.0151/0.2889 = 42206 Km Sun area.
This is greater part of the Sun than VENUS Diameter.
Sun D= 1391980 and divide by area covered by VENUS 42206, Gives us
how big area of Sun is covered by Planet Venus of 12012 Km diameter.
1391980 /42206 =32.98. So it covers nearly about 1/33of the Sun.
You may view the Sun directly only through a special filter made for
safe solar viewing. If you are not certain that a filter is approved
and safe or you have any other doubts - DO NOT USE IT.
Times of Transit 8th June 2004
All times given in UT (h:m:s).
Dec. 1631
Dec. 1639
June 1761
June 1769
Dec. 1874
Dec. 1882
June 2004
June 2012
Dec. 2117
Dec. 2125
External Ingress 05:19:57 (IST 10:49:57)
Internal Ingress 05:39:39 (IST 11:09:39)
Internal Egress 11:04:06 (IST 16:34:06)
External Egress 11:23:15 (IST 16:53:15)
As you can see from the list below, transits of Venus across the
Sun's disk are very rare (there are only about 12 per millennium!).
We are quite lucky that two transits are going to happen in the next
few years although the second one is only partially visible from some
parts of Europe.
There is a curious 243 year repeating pattern with two transits in
December (around the 8th) 8 years apart. Then wait 121 and half
years, then two June transits (around 7th), again 8 years apart. Then
wait 105 and half years and the pattern repeats again.
Information about Venus for 08 Jun 2004 05:00:40
(Julian day number 2453164.70880)
Local Information
Apparent topocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 5h 7m 50.39s
Declination: +22° 45' 5.7"
Constellation: Taurus
Altitude: 8° 31' 55"
Azimuth: 62° 49' 41"
Rise: 3h 47m 31s
Transit: 12h 8m 16s
Set: 20h 27m 25s
Geocentric Information
Apparent geocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 5h 7m 49.135s
Declination: +22° 45' 30.29"
True distance: 0.2888833 AU (43 million km)
Horizontal parallax: 30.44"
Heliocentric Information
Ecliptic coordinates for the epoch of date:
Ecliptic longitude: 257° 39' 19.4"
Ecliptic latitude: -0° 3' 19.8"
Radius vector: 0.7261900 AU (109 million km)
Physical Information
Magnitude: -3.7
Phase: 0.000
Phase angle: 180.0°
Elongation: 0.0°
Diameter: 57.74"
Light time: 0h 2m 24.2s
Position angle of the bright limb: 294.5°
Mass: 4.8690e+024 kg (0.815 x Earth)
Mean equatorial radius: 6051.8 km (0.9488 x Earth)
Maximum angular diameter: 60.2"
Minimum geocentric distance: 0.277 AU
Geometric flattening: 0
Sidereal rotation period: 243d 0h 26m 56s (retrograde)
Mean density: 5.24 g/cm^3
Geometric albedo: 0.65 Information about Sun for 08 Jun 2004 05:00:40
(Julian day number 2453164.70880)
Local Information
Apparent topocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 5h 6m 42.74s
Declination: +22° 52' 23.6"
Constellation: Taurus
Altitude: 8° 46' 41"
Azimuth: 62° 58' 21"
Rise: 3h 42m 53s
Transit: 12h 9m 9s
Set: 20h 35m 54s
Geocentric Information
Apparent geocentric coordinates for the epoch of date:
Right ascension: 5h 6m 42.384s
Declination: +22° 52' 30.62"
True distance: 1.0150685 AU (152 million km)
Horizontal parallax: 8.66"
Heliocentric Information
Ecliptic coordinates for the epoch of date:
Ecliptic longitude: 77° 45' 6.0"
Ecliptic latitude: -0° 0' 0.1"
Radius vector: 1.0150791 AU (152 million km)
Physical Information
Magnitude: -26.8
Light time: 0h 8m 26.5s
Mass: 1.9891e+030 kg (3.329e+005 x Earth)
Mean equatorial radius: 696000 km (109.1 x Earth)
Events for Tuesday 08 Jun 2004
00:26 Pluto transits the meridian
00:28 Uranus rises
00:44 Moon rises
00:45 Jupiter sets
01:24 Start of nautical twilight
02:51 Start of civil twilight
03:11 Mercury rises
03:43 Sun rises
03:48 Venus rises
04:14 Neptune transits the meridian
05:08 Moon transits the meridian
05:10 Pluto sets
05:38 Uranus transits the meridian
05:38 Saturn rises
06:04 Mars rises
08:44 Neptune sets
09:45 Moon sets
10:47 Uranus sets
11:00 Jupiter rises
11:17 Mercury transits the meridian
12:08 Venus transits the meridian
12:09 Sun transits the meridian
13:57 Saturn transits the meridian
14:30 Mars transits the meridian
17:51 Jupiter transits the meridian
19:26 Mercury sets
19:39 Pluto rises
20:27 Venus sets
20:36 Sun sets
21:28 End of civil twilight
22:17 Saturn sets
22:55 Mars sets
22:56 End of nautical twilight
23:39 Neptune rises
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Is the uncontrolled common use of pain killers like Paracetamol and Aspirin is
safe? also read http://www.healthandage.com/PHome/gm=20!gid1=5132 and also
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-11/wfub-isp111303.php
Overuse of painkillers can lead to kidney damage
Reported by Susan Aldridge, PhD, medical journalist
A study shows that some people may suffer from irreversible kidney damage as a
result of overuse of analgesics. Researchers at Wake Forest University have been
surveying a group of 222 patients on kidney dialysis. They were looking at the
incidence of a recently discovered condition called SICK (Small, Indented and
Calcified Kidneys) which represents an irreversible form of kidney damage
detectable on CT scan.
Seven per cent of the group proved to have SICK of whom one third were heavy
users of analgesics prior to being on dialysis. Heavy use is defined as more
than 300 grams of aspirin or acetaminophen each year. That's equivalent to two
full strength aspirins or extra strength acetaminophen each day for a year.
It is not clear why some people - and not others - are more prone to developing
SICK. The study tested whether CT scans could be used as a diagnostic tool to
identify those who were heavy users of analgesics and at risk of kidney damage -
but it was not sensitive enough. Until further research is done, people might
want to consider whether heavy analgesic use is actually putting their kidneys
at risk.
Taking too many pain killers can damage some people's kidneys permanently.
Overuse was defined as taking two doses of full strength Aspirin or extra strong
paracetamol everyday.
common use of 500 mg Paracetamol - in full strength 2 four times are recommended
by practiceners - but that not only damage the Liver as metabolism overburdens
the liver function but also hampers the kidney functions and so spirally affects
the Liver functions.
Aspirin has mild diuretic effects but still seen to have damaging kidneys. but
as this was a common study of effect of analgesic on kidney failure. to my
opinion, I think a separate study for Aspirin and paracetamol is required to be
done to eliminate and conclude - which has the greater damaging effects.
US researchers said overuse was linked to the condition known as "Small,
Indented Calcified Kidneys" - (SICK).
The National analgesic Nephropathy study tested kidney failure patients and
found 7% had SICK and a Third of those had overused analgesics.
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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:53 AM
Subject: Coming Back to OLDies GOLDies ?
http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displayStory.cfm?subjectid=3\
48945&story_id=2208650
SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY - Treating arthritis Coming Back to OLDies GOLDies ?
http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displayStory.cfm?subjectid=3\
48945&story_id=2208650 Leeching away pain
Nov 13th 2003
From The Economist print edition
An old remedy may have a new application
AS RECENTLY as a century ago, many doctors carried a few leeches around in their
bags. Leeches, though often abused by quacks, had real value for controlling
blood clots because their saliva contains an anti-clotting agent.
Today, that job is normally done with anti-coagulent drugs—although leeches are
occasionally used to deal with post-operative clotting. Leech saliva, however,
contains another agent that enables the animals to extract the maximum amount of
blood from their hosts, with the minimum amount of fuss. This is an anaesthetic.
And a group of scientists led by Andreas Michalsen, of the University of
Duisburg-Essen, in Germany, has just put this fact to the test, to see whether
it might be useful for relieving the pain of arthritic joints. The upshot,
reported in Annals of Internal Medicine, is that it is.
Dr Michalsen picked 51 people suffering from osteo-arthritis of the knee.
(Osteo-arthritis is the sort caused by wear and tear, as opposed to rheumatoid
arthritis, which is caused by the immune system attacking the body's own
tissue.) About half of these people were treated with twice-daily doses of a
painkilling drug called diclofenac, applied to the affected knee. The others
were given a one-shot treatment with leeches. This involved allowing four to six
leeches to attach themselves to the knee, and then feed until they let go of
their own accord, which they tended to do after about an hour. Everyone was
asssessed in detail over the course of a month from the start of treatment, and
more generally over the course of three.
The result was that leech therapy beat diclofenac for pain relief, particularly
in the first week after application. It also seemed to bring longer-term
benefits in the form of reduced stiffness and better joint function, probably
because besides dulling pain, leech saliva also acts as an anti-inflammatory
agent. Whether such benefits outweigh the disadvantages of having half a dozen
leeches feasting from your knee for an hour is a matter of personal taste.
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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:43 AM
Subject: Spleen may provide diabetes cure
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3266987.stm
Spleen may provide diabetes cure http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3266987.stm
Cells from the spleen can transform into insulin-producing cells, offering hope
of a cure for diabetes, say scientists.
US researchers were able to halt, and even reverse, the disease in mice. The
research offers hope to people with Type 1 diabetes who need insulin injections
to survive. The team from Massachusetts General Hospital, whose announcement
coincided with World Diabetes Day on Friday, hope to begin human trials soon.
Diabetes affects around 350,000 people in the UK, and 194 million around the
world. Type 1 diabetics do not produce insulin, needed to convert sugar into
fuel and normally produced in the pancreas in cells called islet cells. Their
islet cells are destroyed by the body's own immune system, leading to sugar
building up dangerously in the blood.
'Re-educating the immune system'
The US researchers had already shown that injecting diabetic mice with spleen
cells from healthy mice re-educated their immune systems so that they could
accept an islet cell transplant. But the mice unexpectedly began producing islet
cells that could secrete insulin themselves. This latest research found this
only happened if the mice had been given a specific type of spleen cell.
They can be distinguished from other spleen cells because they lack a particular
molecule called CD45. Scientists had believed it was impossible to regenerate
insulin-secreting islet cells. To double-check their findings, researchers
carried out the same treatment, giving female diabetic mice spleen cells from
healthy male cells. They found that in diabetic mice that achieved long-term
normal glucose metabolism, all of the new functioning islets had significant
numbers of cells with Y chromosomes, showing they had come from the male donors.
In a further experiment, donor spleen cells were marked with a fluorescent green
protein, and again these cells were found throughout the newly developed islets.
'Rescue' hope
Denis Faustman, director of the Massachusetts General Hospital Immunobiology
Laboratory who led the research, said: "It's the cells without CD45 that are the
precursors for pancreatic islets. They have a distinct function that has not
previously been identified for the spleen." Dr David Nathan, director of the
hospital's Diabetes Center, added: "These exciting findings in a mouse model of
Type 1 diabetes suggest that patients who are developing this disease could be
rescued from further destruction of their insulin-producing cells. "In addition,
patients with fully established diabetes possibly could have their diabetes
reversed."
Dr Eleanor Kennedy, research director for Diabetes UK , said "The initial
results of this research are potentially very exciting for people with diabetes.
Reversing the onset of Type 1 diabetes by turning adult precursor cells from the
spleen into insulin-producing cells is a new approach. "Previously research has
concentrated on embryonic stem cells. This new breakthrough reopens the debate
on what other types of cells are capable of. This research is in the very early
stages and a lot more work still needs to be done. "Diabetes UK will be watching
the progress with interest."
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Subject: WISH to watch? Be ready CH30 560 Mhz UK sattelite &
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/everything.html
Dear Science and Astronomy friends and editorials,
A scientific presentation of the following THEORies (G, EM, Quantum and String -
parallel universes/Mutiverses) will be visualised on the broadcast. WISH to
watch? Be ready CH30 560 MHz UK satellite every Sundays at 8pm (GMT) from 2
November. So don't miss that if you wish to see those and tune your TV and
satellite receivers. Programmes will be avilable in Kutch Science Foundatin
Library this SAWAN.
There are all theories and no scientific proofs can be acheived but ultimately
comes to the Vedic believes that what is that engergy SHAKTies- GOD? hey there
it the science every thing in GOD!
http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/S/science/space/stringtheory.html
The Theory of Everything every Sundays at 8pm (GMT) from 2 November This series
of three programmes unravels one of the most ambitious and perplexing scientific
theories ever proposed – string theory.
String theory promises to revolutionise our understanding of the universe by
uniting the natural laws that govern space (general relativity) with the natural
laws that govern atoms (quantum mechanics). If successful, string theory will
break the conceptual logjam that has frustrated the world's brightest scientists
for nearly a century.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/everything.html
The fundamental particles of the universe that physicists have identified --
electrons, neutrinos, quarks, and so on -- are the "letters" of all matter. Just
like their linguistic counterparts, they appear to have no further internal
substructure. String theory proclaims otherwise. According to string theory, if
we could examine these particles with even greater precision -- a precision many
orders of magnitude beyond our present technological capacity -- we would find
that each is not pointlike but instead consists of a tiny, one-dimensional loop.
Like an infinitely thin rubber band, each particle contains a vibrating,
oscillating, dancing filament that physicists have named a string.
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Sheth' ; 'Dr.Mahesh Punjabi - Kota' ; 'Dr.Shashiben Vani -
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Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:58 AM
Dear Friends,
Recent Study has shown that :
NASA 1) Just test flight carried out to experiment the Laser beam can
direct energy towards the photovoltaic cells which power the
flight. - This may revolutionise the space flights to Moon and
satellite launches. and the aviation.
2) Medical :
A) Human for of BSE (vCJD) is under the to treat the case by
injecting with PENTOSAL POLYSULPHATE in to the brain directly.
B) Combination of ANTIBIOTICS (DOXYCYCLIN + Rifampin) can interfere
with the build-up of Plaques around the brain cells those are a
HALLMARKS for development of ALZHEIMER'S.
Early Diagnosis:
Summary
Early diagnosis of Alzheimer's disease (AD) is needed to initiate
symptomatic treatment with acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, and will
be of even greater significance if drugs aimed at slowing down the
degenerative process, such as vaccination regimes and â-secretase and
ã-secretase inhibitors, prove to affect AD pathology and to have
clinical effect. However, there is no clinical method to determine in
which patients mild cognitive impairment (MCI) will progress to AD
with dementia, and in which patients MCI is benign. Hence, there is a
great clinical need for biomarkers to identify incipient AD in
patients with MCI. The CSF biomarkers total tau protein,
phosphorylated tau protein, and the 42 amino-acid residue form of
amyloid-â may, if put in the right clinical context, prove to have
high enough diagnostic accuracy to meet this challenge.
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Dear Science and Nature Friends,
We been to visit MASAI tribes in Masai MARA in end of august. along
with those tribes we been with the Lion & Lioness of the MASAI MARA.
we also visited the places along the Equator. we were so much
surprised to know their interest to the nature and the equator. Each
Road and places on Equator are Marked with the sign. and Lions Club
has played a role to display those landmarks. Hope our Lions Club
and Rotary Club Particularly in Area District of 3050 - BHUJ -
Ahmedabad and Rajasthan will take some interest in those of our
Tropical of Cancer to display those on the roads so as to advertise
them selves too.
On 28 August we arranged a flight to south of the equator to the
North - passing OVER the EQUATOR region and also seeing the orbital
paths of sky dome and the MARS. Particularly the MARS at the height
of 40000 feet above the cloud level so as to avoid and cloud covering
of the mars when the MARS is close to earth. On flight we informed to
the crews pilots and captains to declare to all flight passengers and
we announced to all on flight. - so all passengers could see mars on
the right side (as we flied south to north) just above the Horizon to
coming up. Every one enjoyed the occasion in the sky.
It was a fantastic experience to have. we did not wish to miss that.
Full Pictured report will be ready soon and do not hesitate to ask
for.
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We been to visit MASAI tribes in Masai MARA in end of august. along with those
tribes we been with the Lion & Lioness of the MASAI MARA. we also visited the
places along the Equator. we were so much surprised to know their interest to
the nature and the equator. Each Road and places on Equator are Marked with the
sign. and Lions Club has played a role to display those landmarks. Hope our
Lions Club and Rotary Club Particularly in Area District of 3050 - BHUJ -
Ahmedabad and Rajasthan will take some interest in those of our Tropical of
Cancer to display those on the roads so as to advertise them selves too.
On 28 August we arranged a flight to south of the equator to the North - passing
OVER the EQUATOR region and also seeing the orbital paths of sky dome and the
MARS. Particularly the MARS at the height of 40000 feet above the cloud level so
as to avoid and cloud covering of the mars when the MARS is close to earth. On
flight we informed to the crews pilots and captains to declare to all flight
passengers and we announced to all on flight. - so all passengers could see mars
on the right side (as we flied south to north) just above the Horizon to coming
up. Every one enjoyed the occasion in the sky.
It was a fantastic experience to have. we did not wish to miss that. Full
Pictured report will be ready soon and do not hesitate to ask for.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
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From: KutchScience
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 10:47 AM
Subject: New Dinos :
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/07/04/safrica.dinosaur.reut/ this link is
inactive now
Dear Science friends,
(More information mail and correspondences to University of Florida and
Geologists and anthropologist are attached in attached mail and all attachments)
Kutch was a part of (new science name) Gondwanaland = Old name JUMBU DWIPE-
Jambu dwip, BHARAT KHANDE- Bharat Khand was a Indian plate (including kutch).
According to VEDA these words means that. JUMBU DWIPE BHARAT KHANDE - JUMBU
DWIPE - BHARAT KHANDE.
We can not deny Vedas word and neither the SARASWATI (ancient Saraswati river)
river basin. And its archaeology.
So we need to prepare our selves and others to understand and evaluate not only
VEDAs but also Kutch the original part of Gondwanaland (Jambu Dwip).
More are there like South Africa. Only need is to observe and sight to observe
(archaeological Divya Chakshu)
THE EARLY MAN
There are evidences of the Early man in Kutch · It is believed
that kutch was a part of the 'Gondvana' continent (African continent) millions
of years ago when the present Kutch Saurashtra was part of the East Africa.
Stone Age tools were found from the gravels of Bhuki river near Nakhatrana.
Stone Age tools have also been discovered from other parts of Gujarat confirming
the advent of the Early Man from Africa to India. The original settlers in Kutch
were aborgins who were probably driven out down south of Vindhyachal by the
tribes who migrated to Kutch from the north and west .
This link is inactive now
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/07/04/safrica.dinosaur.reut/
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (Reuters) -- The remains of a two-ton dinosaur have
lurked in a South African university for more than 20 years -- but only now have
researchers realized it is the oldest direct ancestor of the largest creatures
ever to walk the earth.
Scientists said Thursday that the fossil, dug up in 1981, was the earliest known
example of a sauropod, the group of giant plant-eating reptiles that ruled the
Jurassic world between 205 and 145 million years ago.
The fossil is 215 million years old, and represents a new species of sauropod
that would have been the largest land animal of its time, weighing 1.8 tons and
stretching 26 to 33 feet from nose to tail.
"We have got a very, very early sauropod ... the earliest yet found," said Adam
Yates, a palaeontologist at Johannesburg's University of the Witwatersrand.
Small compared to relatives
Yates first noticed that the forgotten fossil had been wrongly classified when
he was a visiting research student.
"I was so lucky that no one else had moved on this specimen before," he said.
Antetonitrus ingenipes, as Yates has named his find, is a minnow compared to its
grandchildren. Argentinosaurus, probably the largest sauropod, has a strong
claim to be the heaviest land animal of all time, weighing 100 tons.
"This discovery tells us a lot about the way the group actually developed ...
Antetonitrus is not a giant yet but it gives us some clues as to the evolution
of gigantism," Yates said.
Classified wrong
Previously the earliest known sauropod was the 210-million-year-old Isanosaurus,
found in Thailand.
Antetonitrus was found by veteran fossil hunter James Kitching in 1981. But the
remains were initially classified as belonging to the prosauropod group, and
left to gather dust in the university's archaeology institute.
Sauropods were the first dinosaurs to walk on four short, equal-length legs,
while their prosauropod predecessors had shorter fore-limbs than hind-limbs and
were scavengers as well as grazers.
Yates noticed that the creature's backbone had sauropod characteristics, and
after intensive study he and Kitching reclassified it as a new sauropod species
in a paper published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder President:"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
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To: Perran Ross
Cc: christopher-brochu@... ; Madras Croc Bank ; romulus whitaker
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Subject: Crocodile "DINO"saurs in MADHAPAR & KUTCH!!!
Dear James Perran Ross
Executive Officer, Crocodile Specialist Group
Florida Museum of Natural History
Dickinson Hall, Box 117800
University of Florida
Thank you for your interests in above subject, now excavation is under way
in Kutch, I do forward my letters of some projects and visit to those
places.(photo & letter attached).
also some of the report from oil & natural gas commission - and Coal mine.
Coal mine news are in Local Gujarati. you may need assistance to translate
to English - Gujarati news Paragraph 3 says Fossil of 9 meter long
crocodilians. (please download appropriate fonts - Gujarati from net to
display it correctly)
also we found Belemnites fossils in the rock with the ammonites in same
layers - dating back to 170 mn years old.
From Yours : Dr. BHUDIA.- Science Group Of INDIA.
President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
Founder President:"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj - Kutch".
Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Perran Ross" <prosscsg@...>
To: "Kutch Science @ hotmail" <kutchscience@...>
Cc: <christopher-brochu@...>; "Madras Croc Bank"
<sthiru@...>; "romulus whitaker" <draco@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: Subject: Fw: Crocodile "DINO"saurs in MADHAPAR & KUTCH!!!
> Dear Dr. Bhudia,
>
> Thanks for your interesting preliminary report of crocodilian fossils from
> Kutch.
>
> We would be interested to recieve additional details as your research on
> this topic proceeds.
>
> Sincerely
>
> James Perran Ross
> Executive Officer Crocodile Specialist Group
>
> At 05:08 PM 6/13/2002, you wrote:
> >From: <mailto:kutchscience@...>Kutch Science
> >Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 10:32 AM
> >Subject: Crocodile "DINO"saurs in KUTCH
> >
> >Dear Science Friends,
> >
> >I would like to write YOU all of our expert GEOLOGIST, Archaeologists
and
> >ANTHROPOLOGIST on the subject of the new Geological researches. WE have
> >seen fossils of "Crocodiles" in "GUNAWARI" at GANGESWAR Dome. Shree DAS
> >surveyed KUTCH for ONGC mission and on mining project for ONGC. He
> >observed the importance of KUTCH on geological science. some of the
> >fossils he declared as Mesozoic (Ammonites +208Mn years and some
> >CROCODILES "cretaceous period" 140 Mn years together at the same place
> >with a VAST time difference of more than 65Mn Years). Some experts are in
> >favour of those DINO "Supercroc " are Prejurassic - Triassic +200 Mn
years
> >rather than "cretaceous period" 140 Mn years.
> >
> >What we are thinking of the Fossils of the "crocodiles" are actually the
> >ancestors (10-12meters size and according to the wildlife expert David
> >Attenborough "Marine Dinosaurs") of the present time Crocodiles of 4
meter
> >size.
> >
> >some describes as "CROCODILIAN" ancestors of many species and that of
> >crocodiles and some explain as "Supercroc" "DINO". Those "sarcosuchus"
> >ancestors of crocodiles had protruding teeth and armoured plate and
> >lifespan of more than 110 years compared to 70 years of present life span
> >of the crocodiles.
> >
> >Mesozoic Ammonites +205Mn years and some CROCODILIANS of the "cretaceous
> >period of - JUNGLES IN KUTCH" +140 Mn years together at the same place
> >with a VAST time difference of 65Mn Years makes us to re-think about the
> >time scale and to understand geology of KUTCH, wildlife, environment,
> >history and fossils history.
> >
> >Perhaps we need to ask our expert geologist Shree DAS to visit KUTCH
again
> >and give us an expert second opinion on the subject to support the New
> >research of Kutch geology. I think this time every one should consult
such
> >an experts who are in our touch and known to us to give their advise for
> >the benefit of the science of Geology.
> >Yours Dr. Bhudia. Science Group Of INDIA.
> ><mailto:kutchscience@...>kutchscience@...,
> ><mailto:kutchscience@...>kutchscience@...,
>
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> >http://profiles.yahoo.com/kutchscience
> >
> >President:"Kutch Science Foundation".
> >Founder & Founder President:"Kutch Amateurs Astronomers Club - Bhuj -
Kutch".
> >Life Member:"kutch Itihaas Parishad".
>
> James Perran Ross
> Executive Officer, Crocodile Specialist Group
> Florida Museum of Natural History
> Dickinson Hall, Box 117800
> University of Florida
> Gainesville, FL 32611 USA
> Phone 1 352 846 2566
> fax 1 352 392 9367
>
>
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