EPISODE 14
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KS: Pyare-ji, sangeetkaaron ki agar ham baat karen to kis sangeetkaar
se aap sabse zyaada mutaasir rahe?

PL: sangeetkaar agar kahen to Shankar Jaikishan, jinke saath hamne
kabhi kaam kiya hi naheen.

KS: kabhi naheen?

PL: kabhi bhi naheen kaam kiya. matlab, kabhi dekhaa hi naheen unko
kaam karte huye, kabhi naheen. Jaikishan-ji aaye the hamaari shaadi
mein, to shaadi mein aaye to mujhe ek bahut achchha chaandi
ka 'violin' diya, maine sambhaal ke rakha huya hai. aur ham jab gaye
the unki shaadi mein to unhone hamaari 'wife' ko kahaa tha, English
mein, kahaa tha 'yeh do bachche, dekhnaa, kyaa naam karenge!'. bahut
achchhe se kahaa tha unhone.

KS: woh bhi bahut 'young age' mein chale gaye the Jaikishan-ji

PL: 46

KS: Shankar Jaikishan ki agar 'contribution' ki baat karen, 'film
music' mein unkaa sabse 'great contribution' kya hai?

PL: dekhiye, Shankar-ji aur Jaikishan-ji ne jo moD laaya 'music' ke
andar, woh ek uchhaal laayi hai, ki unhone 'modern music' ko bhi
liya, lekin 'Indianized' karke. yeh bahut baDi baat hai. "yahoo"
unhone laaya, aur achchhe achchhe 'words' laaye. woh kya kahaa tha,
Shankar-ji ne Khud hi kahaa tha, Shailendra-ji ka gaana tha, kya tha
woh,.... lekin 'music' ke andar bhi Shankar-ji apne hisaab se 'music'
karte the, aur uske andar bahut 'powerful' hotaa tha. Jaikishan-
ji 'simple' zyaada rakhte the, aap samjhe na, 'simple music'
aur 'sweet' sunne ko achchha. "chashm-e-baddoor", yeh Jaikishan-ji
hain.

KS: rumaani zyaada the woh

PL: 'romantic', haan, aur Jaikishan-ji jo hain woh 'background music'
bhi kiya karte the. naheen to baaki log jo hain, sab aur logon
se, 'assistants' se karwaate the.

KS: aur aapki baat karen to?

PL: hamaari baat, wohi hai na, woh sirf Jaikishan-ji hi the jo
likhaate the, 'conduct' bhi karte the, sab kuchh karte the.

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Song: teri pyaari pyaari soorat ko (Sasooral)
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KS: Anna Saahab, C Ramchandra-ji, 'singer' bhi, 'composer' bhi

PL: kya baat hai, waah waah

KS: unkaa bhi bahut naam hai

PL: bahut hi, unkaa bahut baDaa oonchaa darjaa hai. Azad, kyaa baat
hai.

KS: unke saath aapne bahut kaam kiya

PL: jee haan, naheen to, bataaya naa aapko, subah main milaa unse aur
shaam ko 'train' mein biThaa diya Madras ke liye. woh 'picture' thi
Devta. wahaan se jo shuru kiya, 'picture' ke 'end' tak kaam kiya.
uske baad mein ek din mile mujhe, tab kaam naheen karte the unke
yahaan, to ek laDke ko leke aaye, 'jaise tum mere paas aaye the,
waise isko aaj main leke aaya', uskaa naam Avinash hai, to woh laDkaa
aaj tak hamaare saath mein waise hi hai. sangeet ke andar, 'I think'
itna 'sweet music', "dheere se aaja"...

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Clip: dheere se aaja ri akhiyan mein (Albela)
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PL: "eena meena Deeka", aur kyaa kyaa gaane hain, Azad ka, yeh kya
hai apna...

KS: Albela ke hain

PL: naheen, "kitnaa haseen hai mausam", yeh maaloom hai aapko, yeh
gaana Lata-ji aur Talat gaanewaale the. to Talat saahab naheen aaye
kisi vajah se, to Gaur se aap gaana suniye, Anna saahab ne gaaya hai
yeh 'duet', aapko lagegaa ki Talat saahab ne gaaya hai, agar aap Gaur
se sunenge.

KS: sahi keh rahe hain aap

PL: (sings) "saathi hai Khoobsoorat, yeh mausam ko bhi Khabar hai",
mausam bhi unhone waise hi bolaa hai jaise Talat saahab bolte.

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Song: kitnaa haseen hai mausam (Azad)
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KS: shaastriya sangeet ke jo bahut saare naami log hain, aaj jinko
bahut duniya jaanti hai, film sangeet mein bhi inkaa 'contribution'
rahaa hai...

PL: naheen naheen, main 'openly' boltaa hoon aapko, Pt Ravi Shankar-
ji film se shuru huye hain. Ali Akbar Khan saahab jo hain, woh
naheen, baaki Ravi Shankar-ji se leke jitne bhi log hain, yeh kuchh
kharaab naheen hai...

KS: jee haan jee haan

PL: ... ki bhai filmi vilmi 'effect' bolte hain, aur usko kharaab,
dekhiye, agar sangeet ke lihaaz se dekhi jaaye to itne cheezen hai ki
hamko lagtaa hai ki ham, matlab, ham 'music' kar rahe hain, sangeet
de rahe hain, lekin ab sangeet mein kya kya naheen hai, film to ek
chhoTi si 'line' hai, ek zariya hai, aaj dekhiye naaTya sangeet
hai, 'light music' hai, 'opera' hai, 'symphony' hai, hamaare yahaan
Ghazal hote hain. aaj dekhiye, Jagjit Singh, kitna naam hai,
poore 'world' mein unko maante hain, woh kya film ke hain? aap
dekhiye na, Mehendi saahab hain, Ghulam Ali saahab hain. phir
hamaare 'classical' waale, Bade Ghulam Ali Khan saahab.

KS: aapne kin kin ke saath mein, matlab...

PL: sunaa hai maine

KS: naheen, aapke sangeet mein aise kitne log hain
jinkaa 'contribution' hai?

PL: ham jo saath mein kaam kiya hai, woh Shiv-ji, Hari-ji, Ram
Narayan-ji, Sultan bhai, Rais Khan, Ramlal-ji hain.

KS: mujhe bataayenge kin kin geeton mein in logon ne bajaaye hain?

PL: "raam kare aise ho jaaye", ismein jo 'flute' hai woh poora Hari-
ji ne bajaay hai, matlab, Hari-ji jo the, matlab, unhone hamaare
saath poora kaam unhone kiya hai.

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Song: raam kare aise ho jaaye (Milan)
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PL: phir Pandit Brij Narayan...

KS: jee haan jee haan, saarangi...

PL: jee haan, phir Bejan Daruwala...

KS: unkaa kismein, Pandit Ram Narayan ka koi 'piece' yaad aata hai?

PL: koi bhi, "yeh reshmi zulfen"

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Piece: Saarangi piece from "yeh reshmi zulfen"
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PL: Bejan Daruwala bahut pehle bajaate the, 'very old songs', "jeevan
Dor tumhi sang baandhee", ismein, baad mein Brij Narayan aa gaye

KS: aur Rais Khan saahab ka bhi aap ne naam liya.

PL: Rais Khan saahab bhi bahut se geeton mein, jaise (sings) "kuchh
kehta hai yeh saawan kya kehta hai", (hums the sitaar tune of the
sitaar piece).

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Piece: Sitaar piece from "kuchh kehta hai yeh saawan"
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KS: phir aapne, "jhappi" bolte the usko, iski aapne shuruwaat kee
thi, yeh kya cheez hai?

PL: jee haan, kya hotaa hai ki 'rhythm section' ke andar
bahut 'tactics' hai, lekin aap ko 'practical knowledge' honi
chaahiye. aise khaali munh se bolne se naheen hotaa, kyunki woh, yeh
jo ham log hote hain na, isko kya bolte hain, 'musician', woh aise
hote hain ki bahut ajeeb hote hain yeh log, to woh, unko jab bataate
hain to bajaake bataana paDtaa hai un logon ko. aise 'violin' ke
andar bhi hai, saarangi ke andar bhi hai, yeh sab baaten hai, bahut
hi 'under current' baaten hain, jaisa bhi, jaise sitaar hai, ismein
kitne door tak jaa sakte hain, madhyam pancham, paanch sur tak jaate
hain yeh log, lekin Rais saahab to saat sur lete the. phir Pandit
Ravi Shankar-ji, Vilayat Khan saahab, yeh sab baDe baDe. jhappi kya
hai ki kitne bol naye nikle hain table ke andar, abhi dekhiye wohi
tablaa hai jo 'classical' mein bajtaa hai, naa dhin dhin naa, wohi
tablaa hai jo kaharwa bajta hai UP ke andar, wohi tablaa hai jo
Rajasthan mein bajtaa hai unke maanD ke andar, wohi tablaa hai jo
qawwaali mein bajti hai, uskaa 'sound' wohi 'clap' hai jo aap bhajan
mein bajaate hain, wohi 'clap' hai jo aap Rock'N'Roll mein bajaate
hain, wohi 'clap' hai jo qawwaali mein bajaate hain. dekhiye, 'sound'
alag hai ki nahin?

KS: waaqai. aap ne saazon ko lekar bhi aisi koi khojbeen chalti rahi
ki naye naye saaz khojo?

PL: bilkul, bahut. hamne jitne sukshm 'instrument' hai, maine bataaya
na Utsav ke andar aur The Train ke andar, The Train ke andar aise
aise naam hai jo mujhe bhi abhi yaad naheen aa rahe hain. ek hai apna
Raavanhatya, yeh hai apna Rajasthan ka 'instrument' hai, to woh 'same
pattern' mein Calcutta ke andar bolte hain 'dilrubaa', woh 'same
pattern' ke andar 'saarangi', yeh ek hi hai, thoDaa thoDaa roop alag
hai.

KS: ek hi parivaar ke hain

PL: ek hi parivaar ke, raavanhatya, dilrubaa, saarangi. ab tablaa
hai, yeh tablaa jo hai, bolte hain, ab kitna sach hai kitna jhooTh
hai naheen maaloom, lekin main isko maanta hoon, ki pehle pakhaawaj
tha, pakhaawaj se pehle mridang bolte the, abhi pakhaawaj, mridang,
mridangam 'south' mein, abhi uske do bhaag keeye to tablaa banaa.
table ke andar jo ham lagaate hain chaanTi par, shaahi lagaate hain,
woh shaahi nikaal dee to woh Dholak ho gaya. Dholak ke andar, baahen
ke andar, andar se ham lagaate hain shaahi, baahar se lagaate naheen.
phir Punjab ke andar aanTaa lagaate hain shaahi ke jagah. yeh sab
cheezen agar aapko 'knowledge' hai to 'enjoyment' le sakte hain.
jaise woh "Khush rahe tu sadaa", Khilauna mein, usmein hamne khaali
baahen bajwaaye hain, aaTh baahen. to usmein maine kya kiya, teen
baahen aise, teen baahen aanTe ke, aur do baahen Dholak ke, aise alag
alag baahon ko leke, parakh ke bajwaaye.

KS: waah waah

PL: kaisa lagaa aapko?

KS: bahut bahut Khoobsoorat.

PL: "khush rahe tu sadaa yeh duyaa hai meri", to dekhiye, woh aanTe
waale baahen, aur phir kya kiya maine, ki sabke baahen alag alag hote
hain, usmein do qawwaali waale, teen apne Hindi, Indian, teen Muslim,
to sabka baanh thoDaa alag hotaa hai

KS: bilkul sahi hai

PL: yeh sab cheezen bahut 'undercurrent' hai

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Song: Khush rahe tu sadaa yeh duya hai meri (Khilauna)
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KS: jaise Pnacham-da ke baare mein bhi kahaa jaata hai ki
bahut 'experiment' karte the

PL: arey kyaa baat hai, woh to bahut karte the.

KS: to iske liye kabhi aapne dauraa bhi kiya, jaise baahar bhi gaye

PL: naheen naheen

KS: to yeh sab kaise?

PL: kya hai ki main subah baiTh jaayun na aur meraa 'piano' mil
jaaye, bas! kyunki kyaa hotaa hai na, yeh jo sangeet hai na, zaroori
naheen hai ki yahaan wahaan, matlab, baiThe baiThe sab kaam kar sakte
hain.

KS: to aisa koi aur gaana bataaiye jismein aapne 'experiment' kiya
ho, alag alag aawaazen nikaali hon

PL: har ek gaana hai, kaun sa gaana boliye, "choli ke peechhe", yeh
gaana aapne pehle kabhi sunaa hai? yaa phir kabhi uske baad sunaa?
logon ne dhyaan diya ki naheen maaloom naheen, lekin hamne kabhi isko
baad mein 'use' naheen kiya. uske bol hi alag hai, baaj alag hai,
usmein 'instrument' kya hai, sundri, usi mein 'first time use' kiya
tha. chhoTaa sa 'instrument' hai shehnaai ki tarah, bahut
chhoTaa 'instrument' hai, itna saa, to hamko mil gaya sundri.

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Song: choli ke peechhe kya hai (Khalnaayak)
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END OF EPISODE 14