JUBILEE JHANKAAR - GOLDEN JUBILEE CELEBRATION OF VIVIDH BHARATI
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INTERVIEW OF NOTED GRAMOPHONE RECORDS COLLECTOR V S DATTA
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PART 1

doston, Jubilee Jhankaar ke is ank mein ham aapki mulaaqaat karwa
rahe hain ek aise shaKhs se jo Vividh Bharati ke praacheentam shrota
hain, film sangeet ko sunne aur usko sangrahit karne ka shauk un par
ek deewaangee ki tarah sawaar hai. peshe se angrezee ke patrakaar
hain aur Khud bhi gungunaane ka shauk rakhte hain. to aaiye chalte
hain Civil Lines Allahabad ke us ghar mein jahaan par kuchh aise
durlabh 'film records' maujood hain jo shaayad Vividh Bharati ke
Khazaane mein bhi naheen hai! 'records' ke alaawa is shaKhs ki
smritiyon mein aisi jaankaariyaan maujood hain jisse shrotaa
chamatkrit ho jaayenge. in saahab ka naam hai V S Datta, aur inse
baatchit kee hai Kanchan Prakash Sangeet ne. to aaiye sunte hain.


VSD: Virendra Singh Datta (V S Datta)
KPS: Kanchan Prakash Sangeet

KPS: Shri Virendra Singh Datta, yaani V S Datta, Datta saahab, Vividh
Bharati parivaar ki taraf se aapko namaskaar!

VSD: meri taraf se bhi Vividh Bharati ko bahut bahut namaskaar! main
Vividh Bharati tab se sun raha hoon jab se yeh shuru huya tha, balki
main 'radio' sangeet tab se sun raha hoon jab se Delhi
se 'programmes' shuru huye the. ki jab sab log daawaton par chale
jaayen, main ghar pe dilli ke farmaaishi kaaryakram sunne ke liye
ghar par baiTha rehta tha (KPS laughs), isliye mujhe bahut saari
puraani yaaden hain 'radio' ke saath.

KPS: lekin Datta saahab, mujhe yeh bataaiye ki 'radio' jo aap sunte
the '38 mein, 40s ke dashak mein, to us 'radio' se jo 'broadcast'
honewaale 'programmes' the, woh aur baad mein 3 October 1957 se jo
Vividh Bharati ki shuruwaat huyi, to Vividh Bharati ka rang Dhang hi
alag tha, to kuchh fark aap ne mehsoos kiya?

VSD: dekhiye, woh jo hamein apnaapan lagaa tha ki Delhi Radio
ke 'programme' ghar ghar pahunch jaate the kyunki aur koi 'station'
naheen tha, aur dilli ke 'programme', jaise farmaaishi 'programme'
sunne ke liye log beqaraari se door door se 'radio' ke paas pahunch
jaate the. aur mujhe ab tak woh 'meter' yaad hai, jab woh kaha karte
the - "ham dilli se bol rahe hain 338 ashaariya 6 aur 31 ashaariya
15 'meter'-on par", phir yeh ho gaya "338 dashamlav 6 aur 31
dashamlav 15", pehle bolte the "hamaari pehli mazlis shuru ho rahi
hai", phir bolne lage "hamaari pehli sabhaa aarambh ho rahi hai".
pehle Aap Ki Farmaaish 'programme' aata tha, phir usi ko Aap Hi Ke
Geet kar diya, jisko Radio Ceylon ne uThaaya, isko 'lift' kiya, aur
aaj bhi is 'title' ko istemaal kar rahe hain, lekin yeh tha dilli ka.

KPS: Aap Hi Ke Geet

VSD: jee, Aap Hi Ke Geet, yeh 'title' dilli ka tha, Mittal saahab jo
the, bahut si chiTThiyaan aaya karti theen, woh zamaana yeh tha ki
samjheeye Noorjehan jo Mallika-e-Tarannum hain, woh aakaashvaaNi
dilli ke Draame mein hissa lene aati theen aur ek 'drama' tha jiska
naam tha Rambha, aur yeh Noorjehan jo theen, woh 'side- heroine' theen

KPS: achchha!

VSD: uske baad to itni oonchee ho gayeen, us waqt ek bachchi si
thi. 'radio' yeh samjheeye ki ek saathi sa hai. uske baad jab bahut
se 'stations' aa gaye, to 'reception' Kharaab ho gaya. dilli ka phir
sunaai naheen deta, phir log kehne lage 'local station' lo wahaan
par. February 1949 mein AkaashvaaNi Allahabad aaya to itni raahat
mili ki raat ko pankhe ki khaD-khaD se 'disturb' naheen hote the (KPS
laughs loudly), naheen to DC pankhe bahut 'disturb' karte the.

KPS: achchha, woh kaaryakramon mein woh aawaazen chhup jaati theen.

VSD: jee jee. to jab Radio ceylon aaya to 2-2 3-3 ghanTon tak
lagaataar bajaane lagaa, to lokpriyataa udhar chali gayi,
sabki 'attention' udhar chali gayi. Vividh Bharati jab aaya, pehle
bahut ajeeb lagaa, Dar lagaa ki Vividh Bharati ne shuru to kiya hai
lekin pataa naheen kitne din chale kyunki un dino bahut saKhtee thi
ki film sangeet 'radio' par na bajaaya jaaye jab ki woh 'melody era'
thi. mera jo patrakaarita tha usmein maine yahi liya tha ki 'radio'
par film sangeet ko band na kiya jaaye kyunki filmi sangeet ko yeh
naheen haTaa sakenge, itna hi mushkil hai ki jitna 'tooth-paste'
ki 'tube' mein 'tooth-paste' waapas Daalna mushkil hai (KPS laughs
loudly). aisi 'simily' maine dee thi. to Akashvani se tab filmi geet
naheen bajte the kyunki filmi 'producers' se abhi 'contract sign'
naheen huya tha.

KPS: jahaan tak ki jaankaari hai ki us waqt ke jo 'minister' the,
unko 'classical music' se bahut zyaada lagaav tha...

VSD: jee jee

KPS: aur woh naheen chaahte the ki aisa 'pollution' aa jaaye. isiliye
Vividh Bharati ke jaisa koi 'channel' ho jispar filmi geet bhi bajnaa
shuru ho jaaye, aise Vividh Bharati ki shuruwaat huyi.

VSD: haan, aur Vividh Bharati ki shuruwaat huyi, aur bahut zor shor
se shuruwaat huyi. jo Hindi film sangeet ke premee the, unko lagaa ki
ekdam se bahaar aa gayi, veeraane mein bahaar aa gayi, Vividh Bharati
ne yeh kaam kiya tha. 'radio' ka ek bahut baDaa 'role' hai, aur akele
Vividh Bharati, mere Khayaal se to akele Vividh BHarati woh 'role'
adaa kar raha hai kyunki koi aisa 'station' naheen jisko poora
Hindustaan sunta ho.

KPS: Datta saahab, jab aap '38 mein sunte the 'radio', tab aapki kya
umra thi?

VSD: main bachcha tha bilkul, aur main aapko bataayun, mujhe itna
shauk tha, woh 'records 78 rpm' ke paDe huye hain, main 'school' bhi
naheen jaata tha, tab bhi jo hai aise paDe rehte the, aur meri
numaaish lag jaati thi, log aate the, bolte the 'isse poochhiye yeh
gaana nikaal laayo to wohi gaana le aayegaa'. main jaayun aur woh
gaana nikaal ke le aayun. kisi ko yakeen na aaye ki yeh to abhi
tak 'school' naheen jaata aur na hi yeh kuchh paDh sakta hai, phir
mere se poochha ek baar ki 'tum kaise pehchaan lete ho?' maine
kahaa 'kisi 'record' ke 'scratch' laga huya hai, kisi ka
kaala 'portion' chhoTa hai, kisi ka baDaa hai, kisi ke 'label'
ka 'colour dark' hai, kisi ke 'label' ka rang halkaa hai, koi laal
hai, koi aisa hai, to yeh isiliye hota tha kyunki jab koi 'record'
bajta tha to main uski taraf dekhke sunta rehta tha. '3 minute' tak
gaana baj raha hai to '3 minute' tak main uski taraf dekhta rehta
tha, is vajah se jo hai, ab tak mere 'mind' mein hai, ek baar main ek
mitra ke ghar gaya, woh mujhe puraane gaane dikhaane lagaa, maine
kahaa 'yeh to Anmol Ghadi ka lag raha hai', bole 'aapko kaise
pataa?', maine kahaa ki 'ek to yeh Columbia ka hai, aur doosra iska
yeh...'. ek baar doordarshan par ek 'play' aaya, usmein Anmol Ghadi
ka gaana dikhaaya jo ek 'character' bajaa raha hai, aur woh HMV
ka 'record' dikha diya. to maine likhaa, zabardast, maine aalochana
likhi ki woh gaana to Columbia pe nikla tha, aapne HMV par kaise
dikhaa dee!

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Song: jawaan hai mohabbat (Anmol Ghadi,1946)
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VSD: Noorjehan ko baad mein Master Ghulam Haider ne 'train' kiya,
phir Khandan mein "mere liye jahaan mein na chain hai na qaraar hai",
iske saath juDee ek bahut achchhi ghaTanaa aapko bataata hoon.

KPS: haan

VSD: Pran aaye the yahaan Allahabad mein, Pran aaye huye the, unke
saath Manoj Kumar bhi baiThe the, aur log bhi the, Purab Aur Paschim
ki 'shooting' ke liye yahaan aaye the. to main unke kamre mein
pahuncha, maine unse poochha 'Pran saahab, kya san 1942 ke baad kisi
ne aap ko Chaand kehke pukaara hai?' to meri taraf dekhne
lage, 'kyaa?'. maine kahaa 'woh Noorjehan ne aapke liye gaana gaaya
tha "tu kaun si badli mein mere chaand hai aaja"'. (KPS laughs). to
hanse bahut aur mujhe apne paas biThaa liya, kahaa ki 'tumhe bahut
baaten yaad hai', maine kahaa ki 'haan, woh gaana bahut achchha tha'.
oorjehan-ji ki aawaaz bilkul 'set' huyi, woh Khandan se huyi, "tu
kaun si badli mein mere chaand hai aaja, taare hain mere zaKhm-e-
jigar inmein samaa jaa", us gaane se jo hai Noorjehan Noorjehan
banee. to oorjehan-ji ka yeh gaana bahut 'hit' huya tha, Lahore mein
yeh 'picture' bani thi, (sings) "tu kaun si badli mein mere chaand
hai aaja, taare hain mere zaKhm-e-jigar inmein samaa jaa".

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Song: tu kaun si badli mein mere chaand (Khandan,1942)
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VSD: ek baar aisa huya ki Nainital mein Pandit Govind Vallabh Pant,
us samay ke kendriya griha mantri the, woh wahaan aaye aur wahaan xxx
College jo hai uska 'function' tha, usko inhone 'inaugurate' karna
tha. aur main wahaan pe gaya to logon ne kahaa ki yeh Allahabad
University se hain, aur inse kaho ki ek gaana sunaaye. maine kahaa ki
ekdam se main kaise gaa sakta hoon, main naheen gaayunga. main jaake
baiTh gaya. phir do teen logon ne, mujhe thoDi kheench bhi uThi,
maine kahaa ki 'aap log apne 'artistes' se gawaaiye', phir ek ne
aakar kahaa ki 'Allahabad ki 'oye oye' ho gayi, jab yeh baat uThi to
maine kahaa ki 'Theek hai main gaayunga'. main uThkar gaya,
pehla 'item' to yeh tha ki Govind Vallabh Pant aaye, unko maala
pehnaayi, 'welcome' kiya, phir kahaa ki 'Pandit-ji ka 'speech' sunne
se pehle ham ek gaana sun len'. un dino gaana naya naya chalaa tha,
maine sunaaya poore 'audience' ko "maine chaand aur sitaaron ki
tamanna kee thi, mujhko raaton ki syaahi ke siwaa kuchh na milaa", jo
Mohd Rafi ka Chandrakanta se hai. turant uske baad Pant-ji ko bolna
tha. to Pant-ji ne kahaa 'naujawaan, tumse yeh ummeed naheen thi'.
maine socha kya ho gaya, shaayad filmi gaana gaa diya isliye naaraaz
ho gaye, to unhone kahaa ki 'dekho, tumhe jo hai aashaavaadi hona
chaahiye aur tum yeh kaho ki chaand sitaare toDke laayoge, aur chaand
sitaaron ki tamanna kee thi naheen hona chaahiye'. to Khair baat
waheen khatam huyi, phir kya huya ki 'speech' Khatam hone ke baad
Pant-ji chale gaye, aur wahaan ke jo kaaryakram the unhone koi naheen
sunaa, unko bas Allahabad University ka yaad reh gaya, kyunki woh
Khud Allahabad University se paDhe the.

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Song: maine chaand aur sitaaron ki (Chandrakanta,1956)
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VSD: ek main aapko aur dilchasp baat bataata hoon. Naushad saahab ke
baare mein kaha jaata hai ki woh 'classical music' diya karte the, jo
sahi baat hai. magar Naushad saahab ne aapke Vividh Bharati mein bhi
jo kaaryakram kiya, Sharda ke baad woh Baiju Bawra pe aa gaye the,
unhone beech ka 'portion' bilkul gol kar diya tha. ab main aap se
kehna chaahoonga ki us beech ke 'portion' mein unhone aise gaane
gaaye jo bahut saste the. ek mere paas hai, jo aap chaahen to lekar
shrotaaon ko sunaayen to bahut achchha lagegaa. ek Charlie hota
tha 'comedian', unhone Charlie 'comedian' se gaana gawaaya aur gaana
aisa tha, (sings) "arey palaT tera dhyaan kidhar hai bhaai", aur yeh
film shaayad Sanjog.

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Song: arey palaT tera dhyaan kidhar hai bhaai (Sanjog,1943)
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KPS: Datta saahab, yeh jo gaana hamne sunaa Naushad saahab ka, yeh
san 1946 ka gana, 45-46 ka gaana, aur abhi aajkal filmon mein 'ae
maamu', jaise jaise woh...

VSD: haan, nakal hai. dekhiye yeh to Naushad saahab ne aapko Vividh
Bharati mein hi bataaya tha ki woh jo gaana hai "jaadu nagari se aaya
hai koi jaadugar", uski 'tune' mere geet se nakal kee huyi hai. woh
jo ek film thi Namaste, uska ek 'tune' main aap ko bataayun,
(sings) "dil na lage mora man na lage, 'neck-tie'waale baabu ko bhi
laate koi re.... jaadu nagari se aaya hai koi jaadugar". to yeh
namaste film aayi thi 1941 vagerah mein, aur CID aayi baad mein,
kuchh 12 saal baad mein, woh Nayyar saahab jo hain, jaisa ki Naushad
saahab ne kahaa ki 'mera gaana 'lift' kiya gaya hai'.

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Song: leke pehla pehla pyaar (CID,1956)
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VSD: aur bataayun, Talat Mahmood saahab ka yeh geet bahut mashoor
huya tha "aaye bhi akela jaaye bhi akela", aap ne suna hogaa

KPS: haan haan

VSD: iska jo hai Punjabi film Lachhi se 'lift' kiya gaya tha. aur
Lachhi mein jo hai isko Mohd Rafi saahab ne gaaya tha aur bahut
behatareen gaana tha, main aapko uski ek 'line' sunaata hoon

KPS: jee jee

VSD: (sings) "jagwaala melaa yaaron thoDi der da, hans de ya raat
langi pataa nahi saver da...". yeh gaana peechhe reh gaya aur woh
gaana aage nikal gaya. isi tarah se aur bhi gaane the jo Punjabi mein
the. ek gaana tha jise Noorjehan ne gaaya tha, (sings) "huk meri
kismat so gayi jaago huzoor re", isey phir film Chhoti Bhabhi mein
Husnlal Bhagatram ne 'lift' kiya, (sings) "Khushi ka zamaana gaya
rone se ab kaam hai, pyar iska naam tha judaai iska naam hai..." to
aise log dhun ek doosre ki 'lift' karte aaye hain.

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Song: Khushi ka zamaana gaya (Chhoti Bhabhi,1950)
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KPS: aaj isko lekar kaafi charchaayen hoti hai, kaanoon tak mein
jaane ki bhi baaten hoti rehti hai, lekin us waqt to kitna anaayaas
hota tha aur is baat ko lekar koi kisi se kuchh kehta tak naheen tha!

VSD: naheen woh bataate hain ki Talat Mahmood saahab ka jo gaana tha
na, (sings) "yeh hawaa yeh raat yeh chaandni"...

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Song: yeh hawaa yeh raat yeh chaandni (Sangdil,1952)
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VSD: ... iske aadhaar par Madan Mohan saahab ne Aakhri Dao film mein
gaana banaa diya, (sings) "tujhe kya sunaayun main dilrubaa tere
saamne mera haal hai", ismein kya huya Sajjad ki 'music' thi Sangdil
mein jismein Talat saahab ne gaana gaaya tha, woh bigaD gaye Madan
Mohan pe, 'tumne kaise mere gaane se 'lift' kiya?' madan Mohan ne
kahaa ki 'huzoor maine socha ki usi dhun ko thoDaa sa badalkar dekhen
to kaisa lagegaa'. par uske baad Madan Mohan ne kahaa ki 'maine aisi
GustaaKhi phir kabhi naheen karee'.

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Song: tujhe kya sunaayun main dilrubaa (Aakhri Dao,1958)
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To be continued...