INSE MILIYE - BHUPENDRA
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BH: Bhupendra
RB: Renu Bansal

RB: doston, paarshwa gaayan ki duniya mein yun to bahut si aawaazen
sunaayi dete hain, lekin ek aawaaz sabse alag sunaayi paDti hai, yun
lagta hai jaise bahut alsaayi si ho aur meeThee Khumaari si bhari ho.
jaise jaise woh aawaaz taan leti hai, yun lagta hai koi doshizaa
angDaai le rahi ho. yeh woh aawaaz hai jo kabhi hamaara haath pakaDke
bachpan ki galiyon mein, kabhi gaaon ki meDon par door kisi raah par
le jaati hai jahaan yaadon ke saath saath zindagi ke kitne hi rangon
ke Khoobsoorat ahsaason se hokar ham guzarte hain. kabhi inhone Khud
hi kahaa tha...

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Clip: meri aawaaz hi pehchaan hai gar yaad rahe (Kinara)
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RB: yaad aaya aapko? aaj ham ru-ba-ru ho rahe hain Inse
Miliye 'programme' ke tahat paarshwa gaayak Bhupendra se. Bhupendra-
ji, aap ka Vividh Bharati ke 'studio' mein swaagat hai, namaskaar!

BH: namashkaar, bahut bahut shukriya

RB: aap Delhi ke rehnewaale hain, aur Delhi se aap ke kadam jab
Mumbai ki taraf baDhe to woh filmi duniya ke liye hi baDhe the kya?

BH: main Bombay to filmi duniya ke liye hi aaya tha, zyaati taur par
mujhe Bombay aane ka kuchh shauk naheen tha. lekin mujhe kuchh
achchhe logon ne yahaan aane ke liye kahaa tha aur mujhe
unhone 'promise' kiya tha ki 'ham agar aap ke liye koi gaana
banaayenge to aap aakar gaayenge kya?' to maine kahaa ki 'main zaroor
gaayunga'. to aise hi Madan saahab ne mujhe poochha tha Delhi mein,
marhoom Madan Mohan saahab ne aur Chetan Anand saahab ne. unki film
Haqeeqat ban rahi thi to shaayad unko koi nayi aawaaz chaahiye thi.
to unke kehne par main 'film industry' mein gaane ke liye hi aaya tha.

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Clip: hoke majboor mujhe usne bulaaya hoga (Haqeeqat)
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RB: lekin haqeeqat yeh bhi hai ki film Haqeeqat mein aap ne ek 'role'
bhi kiya tha aur ek 'role' aap ne Aakhri Khat mein bhi kiya tha.

BH: (laughs) yeh bahut ek ajeeb si baat hai ki jis cheez ke baare
mein naheen socha tha woh thi 'acting'. ki main kabhi filmon
mein 'acting' karoon, yeh baat mere dimaag mein kabhi aati naheen
thi. to main to gaane ke liye aaya tha, pataa naheen Chetan saahab ko
mujhmein kya nazar aaya, mera gaana jo maine gaaya tha mere upar
hi 'picturise' karke aur bahut logon se taaliyaan bajwaayi thi ki,
aur yeh bhi, baDi baat main bolna naheen chaahta hoon ki, yeh
bhi 'announce' kiya tha ki 'I am going to make another Singing Saigal
in the film industry'. to tab main zara kuchh aur dimaag ka hota tha,
maine socha ki aisi baat aadmi bolte rehte hain, 'acting' mujhe
pasand naheen thi 'actually', 'acting' mujhe shuru se hi kuchh lagaav
naheen tha. aap ne agar Haqeeqat 'picture' dekhi hogi to aapne dekha
hoga ki main 'picture' mein se 'suddenly' Gaayab ho jaata hoon,
kyunki uske baad main Bombay se DElhi bhaag aaya, main uske baad
Bombay aaya hi naheen. mujhe zabardasti 'acting' karni paDti agar
main aata to. 'acting' mujhe naheen karni thi. aise mujhse Aakhri
Khat mein gaana gawaakar mujhpar 'picturise' kar lee.

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Clip: rut jawaan jawaan (Aakhri Khat)
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RB: Bhupendra-ji, aapne jin gaano ka zikr kiya, woh beshaq itne
sureele itne meeThe hain ki aaj bhi tanhaai mein 'haunt' karte hain.
parde ke peechhe jab aap chale gaye, paarshwa gaayan jab aap ne apna
liya, to paarshwa gaayan mein Gazlon ka daaman aap ne kis tarah
thaamaa?

BH: achchha 'question' hai kyunki mujhe pehli baar kisi ne poochha
hai, jab maine filmon mein 'playback' shuru kiya tha to us samay
mere 'favourite playback singers' the, Mohd Rafi saahab the, Talat
Mahmood saahab the, Kishore dada the, Manna Dey saahab hain, inko
dimaag mein chhoDke mujhe aur kuchh, doosra gaana jamta hi naheen
tha. to mere dimaag mein ek baat thi ki yeh log bahut hi
zabardast 'singers' hain, dimaag mein kya yeh to sahi baat thi aur
bahut zabardast log the aur hain bhi, to inse achchha main naheen gaa
paayunga yeh main sochta rehta tha, ki 'this is one thing I will
never be able to do'. to gaana bhi mera chalta raha, main
thoDa 'guitar' bhi bajaata tha us waqt, 'Spanish Guitar', to usmein
bhi maine 'film industry' mein kaafi naam kamaaya, to main kya huya
ki main 'side by side' main 'guitar' bhi bajaata tha, koi gaane ke
liye bulaata tha to wahaan bhi chala jaata tha, to aisa karte
karte 'almost 15 years' guzar gaye, tab meri Mitali se mulaaqaat
huyi, 'she was already singing on the stage', Gazal gaati thi, 1983-
84 mein 'we got married', shaadi ho gayi. main 'stage' ke saKhti
Khilaaf tha, mujhe 'stage' mein gaane se baDi takleef hoti thi. yeh
un dino ki baat hai jab main Gazlen 'compose' karta tha aur apne liye
yaa apne doston ke liye hi karta tha, Khud hi ham ghar mein baiThke
gaate the. lekin 83-84 mein 'I was convinced', jaise Kishore dada
mujhse kahaa karte the ki ''stage' pe gaaya kar', meri ThoThi
pakaDkar kahaa karte the jaise chhoTe bachche ko kehte hain, ''stage'
pe gaaya kar, gaayega naheen to 'popular' kaise hogaa!' to us waqt
main samajhta naheen tha unki baat. baad mein 'when I started singing
gazal on the stage', kyunki filmi gaano ka mera 'stage' pe itna lamba
chauDaa 'programme' naheen ho sakta tha, isliye main jo Gazlen gaata
tha yaa 'compose' karta tha, yaa jo bhi 'record' huye the, 'I started
singing those gazals on stage, and believe me, I felt for it'. mujhe
itna achchha lagaa ki 'instant' jo ek 'recognition' milti
hai 'audience' se, aur itne dino se jo log kehte the ki 'Bhupendra
ko 'stage' pe le aaiye', Mitali se kehte the, mere doston se kehte
the, to 83-84-85 mein mera jo jhukaav tha woh filmon se, geeton se
nikalkar Gazlon mein aur 'stage' ki taraf chala gaya, aur
kaafi 'records' banaaye maine, jo kaafi bikte hain, log yaad karte
hain abhi bhi.

RB: Bhupendra-ji, gaayan ki duniya mein aapki ek alag pehchaan hai,
iske peechhe kaun si prerNaa hai?

BH: prerNaa to shaayad kudrat hi hai, main to yeh maantaa hoon ki
bhale maine kam gaane gaaye hain 'film industry' mein, lekin jitne
bhi gaaye hain woh logon ko bahut pasand hain aur bahut 'popular'
hain, aur aaj bhi jab main aur Mitali gazlon ke 'programme' mein
jaate hain, to 'belive me' ki aaj bhi un gaano ki do do baar
farmaaishen aati hain. 'reason' shaayad yeh ho sakta hai ki meri
aawaaz mein shaayad mera apnaapan hai, maine aawaaz mein kisi
ki 'copy' naheen kee, mera apna 'style' hai, mujhe kudrat ne jo
aawaaz baKhshi hai, jo 'reward' mujhe diya hai, main usi ko aage
istemaal kar raha hoon, main ismein koi banaawaT naheen kiya. main
kisi aur ki aawaaz ko naheen apnaaya, meri apni hi 'style' hai, mera
apna hi aawaaz hai, shaayad isliye main thoDaa sa alag lagta hoon.

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Clip: ek akela is shahar mein (Gharaunda)
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RB: Bhupendra-ji, kuchh saal pehle baazaar mein jaise Gazlon ka
ek 'boom' sa aa gaya tha, achaanak bahut saare log bahut saari
cheezen gaa rahe the aur Gazlen hi Gazlen chaaron taraf se sunaayi
deti thi. Gazal aajkal Khaamosh kyun hai?

BH: hamaare mulk mein bahut se 'changes' aa rahe hain, aur
woh 'changes' hamaari jo 'culture', jo sabhyataa hai, usse ThoDe se
haTke hain. to 'recording companies' shaayad yeh sochte hain ki
Gazals ke 'records' shaayad naheen bike, aur isliye woh
zyaada 'promote' karte hain yeh 'pop music albums', aur yahi 'reason'
hai ki filmi Gazlen yaa aisi filmen jinmein kuchh 'authentic' Gazlen
ho sakte hain woh aapko zyaada nazar naheen aa rahi hai. yahi
kaaran 'filmmakers' ki taraf se bhi hai, unki bhi yeh zimmedaari honi
chaahiye thi ki hamaari 'culture' ko zindaa rakhen. main yeh sochta
hoon ki 'film directors', 'actors', 'music directors', 'artistes'
log, inke upar bhi ek zimmedaari hoti hai, ek 'moral obligation' inke
upar hoti hai, ek 'moral' zimmedaari hoti hai, kyunki agar bhagwaan
ne inko 'art' diya hai to isko achchhe 'side' mein istemaal karen,
usko 'misuse' na kare, 'art' ke naam pe kuchh Galat baat na kare, jo
ki logon ko behkaaye, jo ki logon ko Galat raaste pe Daale, jo ki aaj
log thoDaa sa naam aur paisa kamaane ke liye thoDi si 'controversy
create' kar lee, aur naam kamaa liya, paise kamaa liye, kitaab likh
Daali, to yeh baDe saste Dhang hain apne aap ko 'popular' karne ke,
to apne hi 'culture' se ham bahut door jaa rahe hain, jiska mujhe
saKht afsos hai aur main ummeed karta hoon ki bahut jald logon ko
kuchh smaajh aaye ki apni 'culture' ko zinda rakhne ki koshish kee
jaaye, yeh unke haath mein yeh zimma hai, bahut baDe baDe 'film
producers', bahut baDe baDe 'music directors', 'film directors', yeh
unke haath mein hai ke woh hindustaan ke 'culture' ko isse zyaada na
giraayen, aur bachchon ko kuchh achchhi baaten seekhaayen, kyunki
yahi bachche baDe hokar kya karenge? jo aaj dekh rahe hain yeh to
naheen karenge, isse sau guna zyaada hi hoga na! to yeh 'reason' hai
ki filmon mein Gazlen aajkal kam sunaayi der rahe hain, lekin
sunnewaale hain, ham log 'programmes' mein jaate hain to sunnewaale
wohi hain

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Clip: kabhi kisi ko mukammal jahaan nahin milta (Ahista Ahista)
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RB: Bhupendra-ji, har cheez ka ek daur aata hai, samay gatisheel hai,
aata hai aur nikal jaata hai. ham ummeed karte hain ki sangeet ka jo
sunehra daur jo dekha hai logon ne, ummeed karte hain ki woh phir
aaye aur aanewaali peeDhee us daur ko dohraaye.

BH: main aap ke saath praarthana karoonga ki jo aap soch rahi hain
kaash aisa ho, kaash kuchh logon ko itni samajh aaye ki is baat par
Gaur kare ki hamaari aanewaali peeDhiyon ko hindustaani hi rehne de,
kyunki jo ham denge wohi 'coming generation' usko 'grasp' karegi.
unko kuchh achchhi cheez denge to woh kuchh achchhi cheez seekhenge,
aur kuchh Kharaab cheez denge to woh Kharaab hi seekhenge.

RB: Bhupendra-ji, aaiye yahaan se ek baar phir muD jaate hain
kavitaaon aur shaayari ki taraf. kavitaa likhne ka yaa shaayari
paDhne ka ek tareeka hota hai, ek niyam hota hai, yaani kavita likhne
yaa shaayari likhne mein 'meter' ka dhyaan rakha jaata hai. aur aap
ne kai geet aise gaaye hain jinmen 'meter' ka dhyaan naheen rahaa,
yaani aise 'experiment' keh sakte hain jaise film Mausam ka ek geet
hai, aise 'experiment' ko aap kya kahenge?

BH: usko 'black verse' kehte hain, 'black verse' yaani jiska 'meter'
naheen hota hai, jaise aap mujhse baat kar rahi hain, jaise ham aapas
mein baat karte hain, 'its called black verse', 'actually black
verse' gaayi naheen jaati, usko gaana mushkil hota hai, usko 'meter'
pe le jaana mushkil hota hai, lekin phir bhi main aap se kehna
chaahta hoon ki maine ismen 'experiment' kiya tha, maine ek 'record'
banaaya tha, woh jo Shaayar tha uska naam tha, aur usmein jitne bhi 6
ke 6 Gazlen theen, woh 'black verse' theen. to main is 'experiment'
ko bahut 'challenge' se leta hoon. yeh kaam zara, 'you get to do
something different you know'. Mausam ka jo gaana hai, 'beginning' ka
jo sher hai ki "dil DhoonDta hai phir wohi fursat ke raat din", uske
baad Gulzar saahab ne kitni hi shaayari 'black verse type' ki likhi
hai, 'and I enjoy singing it always'.

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Clip: dil DoonDta hai phir wohi fursat ke raat din (Mausam)
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RB: Bhupendra-ji, har woh geet yaa har woh Gazal jo aap ki aawaaz se
sajaa hai, aap ke bachche ke samaan hai, yeh poochhna to GustaKhi
hogi ki aap ko apna kaun sa bachcha sabse zyaada achchha lagta hai.

BH: yeh baat to sahi hai ki jo bhi 'composition' karta hoon, woh apne
bachche ki tarah hi hoti hai, lekin phir log jo hain aage woh
bachchon ko alag alag kar dete hain, kisi ko kuchh pasand aata hai,
kisi ko kuchh pasand aata hai, to main jitni bhi 'composition' karta
hoon, jo main aur Mitali banaate hain, unmein kuchh na kuchh sabke
liye rakhte hain, jo ki mehfil mein, abhi sanjeeda Gazlen to log
naheen sunte, haalaanki sanjeeda Gazlen gaana aur
sanjeeda 'composition' gaana mera 'subject' hai 'you know, I love to
sing it', lekin phir kuchh 'romantic' Gazlen, kuchh chheD-chhaaD ke
geet, yaa kuchh sharaab ke geet yeh sab kuchh gaane paDte hain, so
aap mujhe poochhen to main jitni bhi 'compositions' karta hoon, 'I
love them, I like them'.

RB: zindagi mein aisi koi Khwaahish jo abhi tak poori na huyi ho?

BH: bas aur achchha gaa sakoon, aur logon ki Khidmat kar sakoon, aur
achchha gaata rahoon!

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Clip: zindagi hai ke badalta mausam (Ek Naya Rishta)
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