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4279Re: [Indianmoths] Digest Number 1431

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  • Shyamal L
    May 12, 2013

      Hi Geetha,

      Sorry for the delay, I do not see most mails on this group since the Facebook group seems more interactive. Here is what I posted there from Dr Kitching's response.

      "..., all the evidence now points towards it being the first representative of infernalis from SW India. All other specimens I have seen from the Western Ghats are the relatively non-metallic forms as shown on SEP. None have the strong blue sheen on the wings of your specimen. As I noted before to Shaymal, the moth does look a bit more like S. tagalica but this usually has a greenish metallic sheen and the females (which your moth is) never have a yellow thorax, only the males. That said, there is a definitive feature that could settle the matter BUT it is on the underside of the abdomen. This is a long shot but do you have a photo in which the colour of the underside of the terminal segments of the abdomen is visible, even slightly. These are yellow in infernalis/xylocoparis and black in tagalica.

      All that said, no Sataspes in our collection of any species has the subdorsal rows of yellow spots; they either have more extensive yellow bands (see xylocoparis on SEP) or broad central patches (see tagalica on SEP). So I am minded to think that this may be a new species, or at least a distinctive subspecies of infernalis."

      best wishes



      Re: Sataspes for id

      Posted by: "Geetha Iyer" scopsowl@...   brownfishowl

      Tue May 7, 2013 9:45 am

      Hey Shyamal

      What about this comment posted on the wiki site for the photo posted by you?

      "Sataspes sp., most likely a form of infernalis - determined by Ian
      Kitching, NHM, London. Will need to be determined from a specimen and can
      possibly represent a new form or species. Bandipur, India."


      On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Shyamal L <lshyamal@yahoo. com> wrote:

      > **
      > Have posted this elsewhere on FB and iNaturalist too. This Sataspes was
      > found in Bandipur close to the Kerala border (24 April 2013) in dense
      > riverine forest. It looks like S. xylocoparis to me but I have heard other
      > suggestions.
      > best wishes
      > Shyamal

      Geetha Iyer
      Consultant- Education
      Suchindrum -629704
      Kanyakumari dist., Tamil Nadu.
      scopsowl@gmail. com
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