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  • Philip K Jones
    20 Jan 8:43 am

      My friends:


      As I live in the USA, my situation is not typical of SHSI membership.  With that in mind, I must say that I am content with E-copies of the SHSI Proceedings.  On the other hand, I am perfectly willing to pay a modest annual fee to retain membership and to allow others to receive hard copy versions.  I suggest that hard copy versions may be made available to members who may receive them through India Post as part of their membership.  Further, I suggest that such copies may also be made available to members who wish to receive them via International post for an additional fee that would cover the costs involved, such fee to be determined and paid in advance.  This means that I agree that the cost of publication and local mailing may be supported by a fee assessed on all members, to be paid as the SHSI board determine best suits all needs.


      I hope that will cover all contingencies and plug all bolt-holes.  In any case, I hope that I shall continue to receive the Proceedings on a regular basis.


      Thank you:


      Philip K. Jones

      An Ill-dressed Vagabond






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      Subject: Re: RE: RE: SHSI Print version of proceedings....



      Shall we do a head count? A poll can be started on the group and we can do it in an unparliamentary (pun intended) way of ayes and noes. What say?

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      From:"Jay Ganguly ruling_jay@... [SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia]" <SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...>
      Date:Wed, 14 Jan, 2015 at 4:07
      Subject:RE: RE: SHSI Print version of proceedings....


      Idea has merit all right. It would be nice to have our publication in print. However, a full colour print may be a bit expensive, plus any printer would require a minimum number of copies before they take it on. Peter's Scuttlebutt and Roger's District Messenger are both black and white A4 prints.

      How many people are seriously interested in this? I will get into the market research bit accordingly.

      Jay Ganguly

      On 13/01/2015 2:21 pm, "'Philip K Jones' pkenj@... [SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia]" <SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...> wrote:
      > My friends:
      > I have been a member of SHSI for close to a year now, but I have also been conspicuous by my absence from most of the discussions that have taken place. There is a good reason for this. For many years I was a professional consultant and I learned a hard lesson in that capacity. The lesson is never to criticize the ideas of others without good reason and a useable alternative to add to the discussion. In many situations that have appeared in SHSI discussions, I have had nothing to add, usually because I knew little about the matters under discussion.
      > In this case, I feel I had a useful suggestion and I am happy to see that Dr. Kumar and myself are in substantial agreement in the concept. As I said, his original proposal had a great deal of merit. It appears that we had been thinking along similar lines and that my suggestions were very much parallel to his thinking in this matter. If the Society plan to introduce dues payments, I advise that they consider electronic means of payment. I strongly suggest that PayPal or a selection of internationally recognized Credit Cards be made available to accept foreign payments. The difficulties involved in making payments across borders in differing currencies are well-worth the fees charged by these services. I recall twice buying books from India and, although the books were gorgeous ("Holmes of the Raj" by Vithal Rajan and "Messres Dickens, Doyle Wodehouse Pvt. Ltd." by Neelum Saran Gour), the hassle was far more trouble than the actual costs involved.
      > Sincerely:
      > Philip K. Jones
      > An Ill-dressed Vagabond
      > pkenj@...
      > From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@... [mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...]
      > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 12:21 PM
      > To: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
      > Subject: Re: RE: SHSI Print version of proceedings....
      > Mr Jones,
      > Thanks for supporting my idea and at the same time enumerating the problems associated with it. A hard copy doesnt neccessarily mean the end of e version. The e version stays. As for the space and collector issue, i think every household finds itself in the same predicament, me included.
      > But leafing through seasoned pages of a cherished book provides a pleasure that is unparalleled.
      > The postage costs in india can be minimised tahnks to india post. Much slower but reliable and a great outreach. I on the otherhand have absolutely no idea about the international shipping.
      > What I have suggested is an annual membership and the costs can be regulated every year.
      > Also if you pay for something, you take an active interest. Otherwise you end up being a sleeping member which I am ashamed to admit being the case with me too.
      > Anyways it is just a suggestion which might be considered by the.more active members of the society and i shall be willing to put in my bit.
      > Regards,
      > Dr Nishant Kumar
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      > From:"'Philip K Jones' pkenj@... [SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia]" <SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...>
      > Date:Tue, 13 Jan, 2015 at 22:14
      > Subject:RE: SHSI Print version of proceedings....
      > My friends:
      > Dr. Kumar's suggestion has a great deal of merit. It also carries along
      > several problems with that merit.
      > The first problem is that of mailing costs. In the United States, where I
      > live, numerous clubs and hobby organizations are falling victim to rising
      > postal rates. For an internationally connected organization, these rates,
      > across National borders, will pose even more of a problem as snail mail
      > rates will continue to grow in the years to come due to increasing
      > competition by electronic communications.
      > The next problem is that of personal preference. For myself, I have no use
      > for Kindle and other forms of electronic media storage and I prefer to rely
      > on plain old hard copy reading materials. On the other hand, my wife is
      > threatening to throw out my immense collection of paper books and magazines
      > along with their collector. Storage space and personal preference as well
      > as family pressure will all play a part in an individual's preferences for
      > format types.
      > The third problem is one of costs. I know that my friend, Steve Doyle, has
      > concerns about publishing costs for the Baker Street Journal, and is working
      > actively to reduce costs and to avoid raising subscription prices. The
      > same is true for Roger Johnson at the Sherlock Holmes Journal as well as for
      > many other publishers.
      > The best solution I have seen to this group of problems has been produced by
      > Peter Blau, who publishes the Monthly, "Scuttlebits and Bytes." His
      > practice is to publish his monthly in electronic format and to distribute it
      > via E-Mail to all who wish to receive it. If anyone wishes to receive hard
      > copy, they must agree to pay, in advance, an appropriate fee that includes
      > mailing cost to their address. This allows Peter to keep his format simple,
      > without complex and expensive graphics, for most issues. It also allows him
      > to lay on artistry as he wishes when it is warranted. In any case, the
      > subscription cost of a set fee plus mailing costs prevents his losing
      > significant money to publish a labor of love.
      > Once enunciated, this procedure seems irresistible. It provides readers who
      > wish hardcopy with an appropriate paper version at no additional cost to the
      > publishers. It provides all interested parties with access to the contents
      > at no cost and, finally, it places the lowest possible workload on the
      > volunteers who do the real work involved in publication.
      > I suggest that the SHSI give serious thought to making a hard-copy version
      > of the semi-annual journal available, after payment in advance, to those who
      > wish to receive one. The fee for a hard-copy version should vary from
      > subscriber to subscriber to reflect the dual costs of physical publication
      > and mailing required to send the requested copies.
      > Submitted respectfully:
      > Philip K. Jones
      > An Ill-dressed Vagabond
      > pkenj@...
      > From: SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...
      > [mailto:SherlockHolmesSocietyofIndia@...]
      > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:26 AM
      > To: sherlockholmessocietyofindia@...
      > Subject: SHSI Print version of proceedings....
      > Hi, I feel it os high time we start an annual fee for members of the society
      > and bring out the journal in print. The literary talent we have is unmatched
      > and can easily give BSI and SHJ a run for their money.
      > Dr. Nishant Kumar
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